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I don't trust the functions tests. They're behavior-based, and it's easy to read one's own understanding of one's own thinking into the simplistic descriptions of several contrary functions. As for Ti > Te, let's assume for a moment that you're INTJ. This could result from several things: it's easy to assume all the "thinking" you do is Ti, for example, even though it's really Ni, especially with Ni associated with Te.I am an Fi user right? Yet my functions test will say that I use more Ti than Te.
In my experience Fi deals with circumstances and standards I already have set guidelines for.
Or even those you haven't set guidelines for. Part of Fi development involves setting guidelines based upon greater experience and wisdom, rather than gut reactions of being offended or having one's feelings hurt.
It can be over something stupid, like why would someone make a comment like that unnecessarily? Or it may have to do with larger things. Sometimes stepping in to aid some of my views on justice, what warrants punishment, what I think or feel the lines and boundaries are, etc.
Yeah, in the typical xNTJ context, Fi is often easily understood as the NTJ's "hot button issues." They'll be nice and calm and rational and openminded, except for those 2 or 12 issues that offend their sensibilities. Usually, for NTJ's, these are along the lines of "Why is everyone so stupid?!"
But, these understandings and morales are already defined, then are applied to a situation to help it adhere to my moral beliefs.
Ti on the other hand couldn't care less what I personally think or feel about a situation. It takes a step back to objectively calculate the over all weight of each situation or circumstance. Coming up with objective ideas and understandings by working through and sorting a plexus of information into similar categories.
So Fi, projects into a situation, and Ti takes from it?
Fi, understands subjectively, Ti seeks to understand objectively.
How accurate am I on this?
Both Ti and Fi project into a situation, as you describe for Fi. Ti really really really cares about logical processes. Ti doms are very much offended by any reasoning with logical holes. (This is different than being offended by stupidity, though there is overlap.) I can be having a perfectly calm and reasonable discussion with an INTP, for example, but if I say something even slightly imprecisely (in their eyes), they'll hop all over me.
Fi thus projects one's moral certitude, as you described, while Ti projects one's logical/systematic certitude.
Actually, for Fi doms/auxes, Fi also tends to take a step back, in most cases. (Hence the "laid back" "P" persona.) In both Ti and Fi cases, the strong opinions are still there, but not worth acting on.The reason I said that Fi projects out, is this:
Take a situation where someone walks in and recognizes something as wrong, or out of step with their inner moral compass. They are more likely to project out the Fi that was preexisting and defined. This would be Fi in action, though Fi as a function is internally structured.
Ti (in action) tends to take a step out of the situation and mull through its components in a more objective manner. So the motion of it is toward the inner world.
It may be I don't fully understand Fi, when I feel people see the most of it from me, it is because I already know exactly what the right and wrong is. Where I stand in a subjective manner, etc. Then I am just told I am stubborn as hell, and very much unwilling to bend on my view. Thank God for T in being an at least slight segway into a more interpersonal view.
My Fi, is already developed, and doesn't budge.
Oddly, yes, this is your Fi, but it is working this way due to Te (assuming your NTJ typing is correct). Fi dom/aux aren't as openly stubborn as Te types, and highly-developed Fi isn't so much about knowing what is right and wrong and imposing it, as it is about understanding right and wrong and deeper and deeper levels, just as highly developed Ti is about understanding logic at deeper and deeper levels.
As Te types develop Fi (in a positive way), they become more mellow, not more stubborn.