You're too close minded (an attempt at a serious disscussion)

[Lark]

I'm skeptical and cynical but I'm willing to consider all ideas, especially if there is evidence to back them up. If I've rejected an idea, it's because I've already looked at the evidence - usually, many times.

While I could say this of myself, Tell, and it'd be true, I am not sure you've not got a whole heap of beliefs with a shakey evidence base. No insult intended. Its interesting you think this though. I would have guessed but still I think it conflicts with the title of your blog for instance.

 

[Tellenbach]

I am not sure you've not got a whole heap of beliefs with a shakey evidence base.

This is a good thing. Many people believe things on faith; I do not.

I would have guessed but still I think it conflicts with the title of your blog for instance.

There's no conflict at all. I'm the one rational being in a planet of irrational apes.

 

[Lark]

This is a good thing. Many people believe things on faith; I do not.



There's no conflict at all. I'm the one rational being in a planet of irrational apes.

I think the converse is true.

 

[Jaguar]

I'm skeptical and cynical but I'm willing to consider all ideas

False.

 

[Tellenbach]

I just considered the idea above and it's nonsense.

 

[Jaguar]

I just considered the idea above and it's nonsense.

Another crock of crap.

 

[anticlimatic]

If your mind is too open your brains fall out.

 

[Smilephantomhive]

Many claim to be open minded but are not.

 

[prplchknz]

Many claim to be open minded but are not.

i agree with this, which is one reason I say I don't know. Because I like to think I am but i might be like a lot of people. wait does that mean I'm open to the possibility to being close minded which in a way makes me open minded?

 

[Typh0n]

i agree with this, which is one reason I say I don't know. Because I like to think I am but i might be like a lot of people. wait does that mean I'm open to the possibility to being close minded which in a way makes me open minded?

Well, you could be open minded to certain things but not to others. Most people are like that. Which is fine.

 

[prplchknz]

Well, you could be open minded to certain things but not to others. Most people are like that. Which is fine.

That's most likely true

 

[Yara the Corpse]

What is open minded? Considering possibilites, accepting people who do consider them, actively discussing these topics with others without judgement, being able to do many different activities and interests?

 

[Virtual ghost]

Fundamentally I am pretty open minded, however I am quite prone to sorting out the stuff.

 

[Cellmold]

It depends so much on the context of that accusation.

We need a certain level of discriminatory perception or else every idea simply becomes valid, which is nonsensical and dangerous. Most people think, when their ideas are shot down, that the other party is being ignorant or close minded, but without becoming privy to the knowledge of the people involved (not to mention the importance of their experience and judgement) it's sometimes hard to know whether a good idea (or insight etc...) was thrown away or not.

 

[Lark]

It depends so much on the context of that accusation.

We need a certain level of discriminatory perception or else every idea simply becomes valid, which is nonsensical and dangerous. Most people think, when their ideas are shot down, that the other party is being ignorant or close minded, but without becoming privy to the knowledge of the people involved (not to mention the importance of their experience and judgement) it's sometimes hard to know whether a good idea (or insight etc...) was thrown away or not.

Yeah, that's one of the most reasonable views expressed in thread.

Reading JS Mill's On Liberty is a good idea when seriously considering any suggestion of this nature, he's willing to say of the closed minded people that he knows that in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king, which I take to mean much the same as the saying that even a stopped clock is right twice a day, he has a lot of good to say about the benefits of discussion and differences of opinion.

Though a lot of the time I dont know its something to seriously consider, it seems like the whole PUA "negging" tactic, purely said to try and solicit a particular response from someone. Way, way too much of that's happening online and it just makes me think that so much of its not worth spending time reading or considering. That and the extent to which I think so, so much of it is driven by attention dollars and pay days.

 

[Avocado]

I'm skeptical and cynical but I'm willing to consider all ideas, especially if there is evidence to back them up. If I've rejected an idea, it's because I've already looked at the evidence - usually, many times.

I’m the same way, which is one reason I really respect you. You are a deep thinker, unlike the slack-jawed riff-raff I deal with virtually everyday.

 

[Lark]

I’m the same way, which is one reason I really respect you. You are a deep thinker, unlike the slack-jawed riff-raff I deal with virtually everyday.

I like Tellenbach, and I wouldnt ever describe him that way for sure, though he's a pretty dyed in the wool ideologue. Its hard to believe he's skeptical or cynical about libertarianism for instance and I'd say its one ideology that it really, really would pay to be skeptical and cynical about, either it or its supporters.

Its not for nothing that its so popular with the wolves of wall street, crony capitalists and corporations.

 

[Avocado]

I like Tellenbach, and I wouldnt ever describe him that way for sure, though he's a pretty dyed in the wool ideologue. Its hard to believe he's skeptical or cynical about libertarianism for instance and I'd say its one ideology that it really, really would pay to be skeptical and cynical about, either it or its supporters.

Its not for nothing that its so popular with the wolves of wall street, crony capitalists and corporations.

You have a point there. Markets have great power to improve society, as we’ve seen over the past century, but only if that power is channeled towards improving society. Usually, its as simple as making the “good” path the path of least resistance.

 

[Lark]

You have a point there. Markets have great power to improve society, as we’ve seen over the past century, but only if that power is channeled towards improving society. Usually, its as simple as making the “good” path the path of least resistance.

I cant fault free market capitalism as an ideology, its appealing and definitely as utopian as anything socialist or uncapitalist or anti-capitalist but a point's reached after a while when things like that are just a useful fiction for whoever can exploit their appeal the best.

 

[tinker683]

what does this mean to you?

is it a good thing or a bad thing?

do you think you're more closed minded or open minded?

have you ever been accused of being too open minded?

in your mind is this type related? if so how?

In order:

1) In theory, it means you're unwilling to consider a different point of view. In practice, it's used as a insult against a group of people who are unwilling to listen to your opinion all the while ignoring how you yourself refuse to consider different points of view about a separate topic.

2) I don't consider it a good or bad thing, I consider it an inherently human thing. I think a lot of people have an exaggerated opinion of their own open mindedness, myself included. I'm personally of the opinion that you're better off being honest with yourself and try to work on your blind spots but also not beat yourself up for being imperfect

3) I'm definitely closed minded about most things.

4) I have no doubt it is

It is usually relate when someone is unable to see another perspective. Stubbornness. Very common for people who have strong Si or weak Ni.

I would agree with this