You Guys Willing To Type Me

[Mal12345]

INFP 4w?

Really?

"I chased thrills and new experiences..."

 

[StrawberryBoots]

Really?

"I chased thrills and new experiences..."

No, I was goin' for grins. What do you think about 3w4?... image, feelings...

 

[Mal12345]

No, I was goin' for grins. What do you think about 3w4?... image, feelings...

With a tritype of 738 I can definitely see it. I decided against 4w3 (my original call) because the type is nothing like an ENTP. The 3w4 is like an ENTJ type, image-conscious and success-oriented.

Enneagram author Helen Palmer has spread the idea that the 3 is the "narcissist" of the enneagram. But that is not true, there is no "narcissist" type.

 

[StrawberryBoots]

With a tritype of 738 I can definitely see it. I decided against 4w3 (my original call) because the type is nothing like an ENTP. The 3w4 is like an ENTJ type, image-conscious and success-oriented.

Enneagram author Helen Palmer has spread the idea that the 3 is the "narcissist" of the enneagram. But that is not true, there is no "narcissist" type.

Mostly agreed. Don't you think we need more information?

 

[Mal12345]

Mostly agreed. Don't you think we need more information?

What does "mostly agreed" mean?

 

[FoundAShoe]

So you'd say that I use Ne instead of Ni?

 

[Butze]

Not only he says you use Ne instead of Ni, he thinks Ne is your lead function but you don't seem like it to me... I don't know why he would think that, it would be useful if he could explain.
Also, do you see yourself in the description of the ENTP?

 

[FoundAShoe]

In a way, I kind of do. I just can't really see it to the extent that I should.


It's more that I'm pretty sue that I use Se somewhere in my stack. While I'm not quick to physically fight people, I love competition and am admittedly, a man of quality. I want the best toys, the biggest house, and a whole lot of money. I don't really care for comfort as much as I care for a good thrill.

I am very into aesthetics and have carefully developed a unique fashion style for myself. I do appreciate talking about plans of action and enjoy new foods and sweet things. I am very careless with money, often spending large quantities all at once on things that I don't really need.

I do over-think things to death and enjoy reading and discussing theories occasionally with friends, but I'd much prefer a party or trip over that. I'm known to just disengage from a situation when it gets boring and am always pressuring my friends to do something about their problems.

I talk my way out of anything that I want and can easily read people through their tone and body language to understand how to proceed with getting what I want. I judge most people by their outward appearance, whether they are confident or not before I look deeper into them.

I am simultaneously very superficial and verbally aggressive while also being a deep thinker.

 

[Mal12345]

So you'd say that I use Ne instead of Ni?

If you chase thrills and new experiences, than that is more likely Pe over Pi. However, it can be Pi, and I didn't base my call solely on that one line.

5 to be "okay", having it together
7 to be devoted and loyal to a person or cause
6 to be sensitive, original, unique, and creative
4 to be knowledgeable
2 to be powerful, strong, unassailable---I hate when there's a person who can make me back down due to factors such as being my superior or more skilled. I aspire to be the one who causes others to back down with my talents.
1 to be accomplished and successful---A person is nothing if they have no tangible achievements in life, they may as well have not lived.
8 to strive to become/behave like a good person
3 to be a lovable person---I really want people to lie me, I can't stand having people against me for some reason even if I'm rebelling against them, I always try to win them over to my side.
9 to be loving and benevolent

Behind the spoiler tags I am looking at your enneagram. I had not looked at this before because, frankly, I had major surgery 5 days ago and it's still affecting me.


type 3 - 1 to be accomplished and successful
type 8 - 2 to be powerful, strong, unassailable
type 7 - 3 to be a lovable person
type 5 - 4 to be knowledgeable
type 6 - 5 to be "okay", having it together
type 4 - 6 to be sensitive, original, unique, and creative
type 9 - 7 to be devoted and loyal to a person or cause
type 1 - 8 to strive to become/behave like a good person
type 2 - 9 to be loving and benevolent

From that result, 387 is the tritype, and the MBTI is looking better as ENTJ (which was expressed previously by [MENTION=32732]Butze[/MENTION] I believe).

(Fixed)

 

[FoundAShoe]

I'm sorry about that, hope everything is going well though.

So the consensus seems to be either ENTJ or ESTP with an enneagram type 3?

 

[Mal12345]

I'm sorry about that, hope everything is going well though.

So the consensus seems to be either ENTJ or ESTP with an enneagram type 3?

It looks that way unless someone can distinguish Ni from Se.

 

[Mal12345]

No, distinguishing Te from Se should be sufficient. I'll take a second look at things with regard to Te and Se.

 

[Mal12345]

Hello,

Need help figuring out my MBTI and Enneagram

I first read about the types and then took the MBTI test. The problem is I'm pretty sure that I was subconsciously selecting answers that would get me the types that I wanted. I ask for your help.

I am an 18 year old aspiring writer. I am the de facto leader of my group of friends and everyone who knows me sees me as one of the most intelligent people around.

This supports Te over Se, but only when merged with Ni given the choices. When merged with Si, Te gives a personality that is not so much intelligent as it is clever and opportunistic.

At school, I was the President of the Philosophy Club and Manager of the Culinary class. People often told me that I was really calm to the point of complete indifference. I was very well-known around school for my eccentric clothing choices and hairstyles. I also picked up the nickname "Spider" because I had a "web" in everyone's business. People always end up spilling their feelings to me for some reason and I'm glad to have that information for some odd reason.

Eccentric clothing choices and hairstyles points to the 4-wing of the 3w4 type (if not type 4 itself). But it also comes from the Ni aspect of the personality (or generally NT in the Keirsian approach). The nickname “Spider” comes from Te, although it is not well-known that Te is perceptive in that it finds information useful for obtaining a goal. In your case it would not have to be a direct goal, but some possible future goal that has not been revealed yet. I think your quietly strong demeanor makes you a good sounding-board for others. At any rate, it has something to do with your 4-wing.

I can come on pretty strong sometimes because I almost immediately steer any new person into talking about their goals and how they plan on achieving them.

Je is prone to doing this, although Fe will be more gentle while Te is more neglectful of feelings, more straight-arrow and to-the-point objectifying of others than Fe.

I can be pretty mysterious myself because I have learned how to camouflage my true intentions to get information that I want. It's really easy for me to make people think I'm revealing my true self when I'm not really saying anything. My ever-present smile and monotone voice help a lot.

“Mysterious” is the key word when describing Ni in general. Hiding one's feelings/motives is made easier with an auxiliary function that is itself a mystery.

General Personality Traits:
-I often employ other people to achieve my goals for me. For example: I wanted to start a band so I found a talented guitarist, vocalist, and drummer without me even knowing how to play an instrument.

That is Te in this context, unless the question had to do with Fe. But that's never been a question. Fe is more delicate and charming with others, while Te takes more of a “grab you by the collar” approach to employing others.

-I care a lot about how I'm perceived by others, I do everything to keep my image of "chill genius". This even affected me to the point that I didn't ask out this girl that I loved because other guys I new had rejected her, I hated it, but everyday I talked about this girl with guys I knew.

Image-orientation is a type 3 trait, “chill genius” moreso of the 3w4. So I think we've already established that 3w4 is your enneagram. The question is Te versus Se, and I don't think that is answered with the above quote. It just so happens that, statistically speaking, 3w4 and ENTJ mesh as shown in the following chart which gives their correlation a score of 4.75:

The ESTP column, on the other hand, gives a 2.68 correlation.

-I can read a person through text very easily. I often texted girls for other guys at the school and got them together. I knew exactly how to talk to a girl after they just told me a few of her personality traits.

I get ESTP or ENTP out of that. Se tertiary?

-My friends know that there's no point in arguing with me because I will humiliate them with facts and general logic. I see it as taking a hammer of knowledge and beating them over the head with it until they lose consciousness.

That comes across as an ESTP or ENTP in a grumpy mood.

-I like exploring my own and others feelings when possible.

That is correlated with the 4-wing. In the MBTI it sounds like an INFP.

-I believe that I'm destined for fame and often predict how events will play out in people's lives.

Seeking fame is a type 3 trait; believing that one is “destined” for fame is a 3w4 trait. Predicting how events will play out is a Ni or Si trait, depending on whether concepts or experience is used.

-My moral compass shifts depending on who I am with a lot of the time.

Type 3, of course. This site may contain information on how ENTJs shift their moral compass:
ENTJ Personality (“The Commander”)


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My hands are starting to shake so I'll let others analyze the rest.

-I enjoy reading about historical figures and save their Wikipedia articles on my phone. I just like to get the general details.

-I imagine a lot of what-if scenarios that can get pretty dark at times.

-I have been described as Narcissistic, impractical and elitist.

That's all I got now. If any questions, please ask.

 

[Butze]

ENTJ would have basically all the functions (except one) I had already identified but I still fail to see Ni so high in the stack. The fact that he seems not to be able to stick with theory and the gloomy aspects of his "what ifs" seemed more like Ni inferior to me.

As for enneagram, 3w4 seems to fit, but you should also take a look at the 8, maybe 8w7...

 

[Agent Washington]

In a way, I kind of do. I just can't really see it to the extent that I should.


It's more that I'm pretty sue that I use Se somewhere in my stack. While I'm not quick to physically fight people, I love competition and am admittedly, a man of quality. I want the best toys, the biggest house, and a whole lot of money. I don't really care for comfort as much as I care for a good thrill.

I am very into aesthetics and have carefully developed a unique fashion style for myself. I do appreciate talking about plans of action and enjoy new foods and sweet things. I am very careless with money, often spending large quantities all at once on things that I don't really need.

I do over-think things to death and enjoy reading and discussing theories occasionally with friends, but I'd much prefer a party or trip over that. I'm known to just disengage from a situation when it gets boring and am always pressuring my friends to do something about their problems.

I talk my way out of anything that I want and can easily read people through their tone and body language to understand how to proceed with getting what I want. I judge most people by their outward appearance, whether they are confident or not before I look deeper into them.

I am simultaneously very superficial and verbally aggressive while also being a deep thinker.

This is the most ESTP shit I've ever read.

Also, none of it is mutually exclusive, especially if you've got a certain degree of intelligence as a sensor; it's a preference thing and not an intelligence thing.

(lol you should still read the ENTJ thing and see how it fits. Let us know )

 

[FoundAShoe]

I identify with ENTJ to the point that I had a phase where I tried to plan for the future as good as I could. Now, I have goals but don't base my life around achieving them and just kind of trust that it'll happen.

 

[Mal12345]

ENTJ would have basically all the functions (except one) I had already identified but I still fail to see Ni so high in the stack. The fact that he seems not to be able to stick with theory and the gloomy aspects of his "what ifs" seemed more like Ni inferior to me.

As for enneagram, 3w4 seems to fit, but you should also take a look at the 8, maybe 8w7...

Auxiliary Ni is rarely going to be obvious, and for most people I've seen the tertiary take precedence over the auxiliary especially when the dominant function is over-developed. In some cases it is best for the subject to read the basic type descriptions rather than asking others to do all the reading and thinking.

 

[Butze]

Auxiliary Ni is rarely going to be obvious, and for most people I've seen the tertiary take precedence over the auxiliary especially when the dominant function is over-developed. In some cases it is best for the subject to read the basic type descriptions rather than asking others to do all the reading and thinking.

I agree about that for sure

 

[Mal12345]

Here's some reading material about the auxiliary function of the ENTJ type:
How Functions Work:
Auxiliary Ni (ENTJ/ENFJ) - Cognitive Function Theory
Healthy Ni

Healthy Ni should turn Te’s attention towards inner or subjective experience. Through Ni, Te can be more patient to understand situations more deeply before making judgments, shifting the sense of self inward by pursuing the potential of finding personal meaning in the world. By taking more time to make reflective decisions, Te can find more insightful ways to achieve goals or improve systems. It is especially important for Te to understand that personal meaning is an important factor to consider when evaluating outcomes or results.

Healthy Ni should serve to compensate for inferior Fi by helping Te to understand why it is important to think about whether actions are truly meaningful, rather than making sweeping judgments or acting rashly at the expense of human well-being. When Te can understand the benefits of incorporating depth of meaning into future plans or group objectives, ENTJs will feel more in touch with themselves and be more open to seeking spiritual fulfillment from relationships, work, or public life. Te should realize that every individual has a unique and sometimes unpredictable perspective that should be respected in order to produce the best possible outcomes, rather than treating it as a nuisance, disruption, or frustrating complication.

Healthy Ni can also enhance Te’s ability to manage situations and implement plans with enough accurate foresight to produce greater overall satisfaction for everyone involved.

Unhealthy Ni

When Te resists Ni, it compulsively avoids or dismisses the need to search for deeper personal meaning because it is perceived to obstruct efficient action. These ENTJs will tend to behave in ways that seem meaningless, perfunctory, or needlessly conforming, ignoring important areas of life that require further development.

When Te overindulges Ni, it becomes excessively focused on pursuing personal vision because of wanting to do everything according to some “perfect” ideal. These ENTJs are prone to being extremely severe, arrogant, or judgmental, failing to see how their insensitive actions neglect or damage the well-being of self or others.

Whether resisting or overindulging, both cases exemplify immature ways of avoiding self-reflection or inner turmoil in order to keep life superficially stable and predictable. Long term unhealthy Ni behaviors will eventually lead to chronic dissatisfaction, feelings of exhaustion or alienation, or unpredictable outbursts of irrational behavior.

 

[Mal12345]

I believe that his Te-dominant traits are over-developed based on some of the things I've read. This will cause his tertiary traits to dominate the auxiliary, but not to the point of non-existence. For example, he has said that he is forceful in gathering information about people's goals ("I can come on pretty strong sometimes because I almost immediately steer any new person into talking about their goals and how they plan on achieving them.") He recognizes that he moves ahead too quickly in such conversations with others. This is dominant Te and tertiary Se working together but in an unwelcome fashion as most people don't want to be quizzed.