Which function is the hardest for you to grasp?

[Poki]

You mean woman?

I was gonna say the nagging detail...but

 

[entropie]

I was gonna say the nagging detail...but

 

[Lord Lavender]

I was gonna say the nagging detail...but

Lucky people not having to deal with a perpetually nagging middle aged woman in my head. it drives me nuts and as a result I cannot connect with women as I have too much of it in my head (Thanks Fe woman in my head but she can really help me connect with others and keep me out of prison for using homeless as slave labor. ). P.S. I am actually a very nice and moral guy in real life as you can see by the "officially" approved netural good and I would never dream of such a thing in a million years.

 

[erg]

Do you really . The guy in your avatar has gone mad and suicidal over the sheer overwhelming of all those functions

(On a more serious note do you really? I find it hard to believe but I've known stranger things)

No really, as of now I think I understand them all. It has been thanks to socionics. But Fe and Ti also gave me problems (apart from Si).

 

[Lord Lavender]

No really, as of now I think I understand them all. It has been thanks to socionics. But Fe and Ti also gave me problems (apart from Si).

Ah us Fe/Ti users seem to be a mystery when we really are quite simple creatures who have a sociopath and a 1950s house wife fighting it over in our heads. It really is a magical experience and is something I suggest trying. What do I miss out from not using Fi/Te .

(I guess that Fi/Te would be a battle between the sensitive child and the evil CEO/ Si/Ne a fight between a brain hurrcane and a history book/ Se/Ni a battle between the thrill junkie and the crystal ball.). I apologize if I got carried away as I write before I think and I may not make much sense.

 

[Dreamer]

Ah us Fe/Ti users seem to be a mystery when we really are quite simple creatures who have a sociopath and a 1950s house wife fighting it over in our heads. It really is a magical experience and is something I suggest trying. What do I miss out from not using Fi/Te . (I guess that Fi/Te would be a battle between the sensitive child and the evil CEO/ Si/Ne a fight between a brain hurrcane and a history book/ Se/Ni a battle between the thrill junkie and the crystal ball.). I apologize if I got carried away as I write before I think and I may not make much sense.

For me, Te sorta comes out of the woodwork like Jack Nicholson's, "Here's Jonny", and makes judgements on this or that, or on people if they're totally good people, but throwing a stick in an otherwise efficient machine. It usually pops up for me while at work. When it does I can be fairly harsh and it surprises me. Now, the Ne/Si battle, is like dealing with a splinter in your finger. You gotta take care of it some time, but let's be real, we can put that off for as long as it takes.

 

[peter pettishrooms]

I have immense respect for people that have a good grasp on their Fi because I cannot say the same about myself. Seems to be the function that gets me into the most trouble.

 

[Lord Lavender]

For me, Te sorta comes out of the woodwork like Jack Nicholson's, "Here's Jonny", and makes judgements on this or that, or on people if they're totally good people, but throwing a stick in an otherwise efficient machine. It usually pops up for me while at work. When it does I can be fairly harsh and it surprises me. Now, the Ne/Si battle, is like dealing with a splinter in your finger. You gotta take care of it some time, but let's be real, we can put that off for as long as it takes.

As for me Fe mostly comes out when people start disagreeing and fighting and I then instantly jump in to solve the conflict like a busy body as I enjoy harmonious and friendly environments. It also manifests in a desire to be liked and respected by others and I can be playfully obnoxious with people. As for me the splinter analogy is good for the Ne/Si battle. I relate a lot to Willy Wonka in the film (An ENTP at least in the Gene Wilder one) as I get affected by the past negatively (I got picked on in school and it still makes me afraid of certain types of people). People often tell me to stop being so negative about the past. In general inferior functions are like chains around your leg. You can try and run away from it as much as possible but it will never completey be gone.

 

[peter pettishrooms]

I voted Ni. If Ne is the ability to form multiple ideas from one, Ni is the ability to compact multiple ideas into one. In theory, this is a great balance. In application, Ni is sorta fucking useless. Everything Ne can't do, Si is there to properly balance it out. Ni in a work environment? Useless. xNxJs must have it so bad. Ni is like a useless superpower that only works in specific situations. You're defining trait is that you can draw conclusions...? That totally makes up for your lack of hand-eye coordination. Granted, ENxJs are better off (because they have useful dominant functions), I really want to see an INxJ succeed solely on their own. Maybe this perception as Ni being useful in strictly theoretical terms comes from my experience with xNxJs irl. A common theme between them all is that they won't do anything. They have all these ideas and plans, but will actually sit on their ass with zero initiative. "I can't do this because this, that, and the third and this is the way it has to be. Nothing on planet earth will allow this to happen so I'll just sit here and not try." (AND YES, ENTJs DO THAT TOO.) They aren't even organized. And normally, xNxP and xNxJ combos don't work well together. ESPECIALLY ENxP and INxJs. Why is Ni so romanticized??????? I can't think of anything more unattractive than a brooding loser who self-validates their lack of skills with creativity.

While a lot of what you elaborated on definitely applies to me, it isn't necessarily Ni itself that is the problem. I only see Ni as useless if the dom-Ni type is still learning on how to mature and grow as a person. If this is the case, the dom-Ni user will feel as if they have limitations that prevent them from functioning as a normal human being. They will have ideas they would like to bring to life, but they may feel as if they don't have the talent to execute these ideas to fit their exact vision. Many are specialists or one-trick ponies for this reason.
Mature Ni-dom types have enough confidence in themselves to make themselves useful. They have a definite habit of emphasizing their few skills to successfully help others get things done and with great precision. These are the types that are more likely to dig deeper in a chosen field and perhaps even earn advanced degrees because they certainly know what they know.

 

[Lord Lavender]

While a lot of what you elaborated on definitely applies to me, it isn't necessarily Ni itself that is the problem. I only see Ni as useless if the dom-Ni type is still learning on how to mature and grow as a person. If this is the case, the dom-Ni user will feel as if they have limitations that prevent them from functioning as a normal human being. They will have ideas they would like to bring to life, but they may feel as if they don't have the talent to execute these ideas to fit their exact vision. Many are specialists or one-trick ponies for this reason.
Mature Ni-dom types have enough confidence in themselves to make themselves useful. They have a definite habit of emphasizing their few skills to successfully help others get things done and with great precision. These are the types that are more likely to dig deeper in a chosen field and perhaps even earn advanced degrees because they certainly know what they know.

All functions are useless if they are not well devolved and well-integrated with your other functions. I have great respect for Ni as they can stay focused when I want to do 10-15 fields at once which in the long run makes me become a jack of all trades but master of none.

 

[Yama]

Fi. I mean, I understand it just fine, I'm just baffled by the fact people value it over Fe because I'm too used to the way I operate which is the most efficient for me.

 

[Gone]

Fi. I mean, I understand it just fine, I'm just baffled by the fact people value it over Fe because I'm too used to the way I operate which is the most efficient for me.

Seconded.

 

[Lord Lavender]

Seconded.

Again agreed. Fi is a very alien function me and I always seem to upset Fi users in real life with my Ti/Fe combo if I am not careful. While I do understand the principles behind Fi it is something that I cannot use at all. Fi users can be cool people though and I do find Fi attractive if healthy and in medium doses.

 

[magpie]

Fi. I mean, I understand it just fine, I'm just baffled by the fact people value it over Fe because I'm too used to the way I operate which is the most efficient for me.

Same but in reverse. I understand the utility of Fe but it feels like a chore to use and I don't understand how anyone can find it enjoyable.

 

[Peter Pan]

Ni sounds like crack

I can't get into the functions cuz they all sound like crack but Ni sounds like extra crack

 

[Abendrot]

Again agreed. Fi is a very alien function me and I always seem to upset Fi users in real life with my Ti/Fe combo if I am not careful. While I do understand the principles behind Fi it is something that I cannot use at all. Fi users can be cool people though and I do find Fi attractive if healthy and in medium doses.

Ideally, Fi allows a person to regulate themselves with regard to a personal ethical system and empathize with others. More often than not though, Fi is basically the "butthurt" function.

 

[á´…eparted]

Ok now that I am up and did stuff, I can answer my own thread.

Ne is the function I grasp the least, and if I am honest I don't even want to grasp it . I do understand it in the academic sense. I know what it represents, the purposes of it, and I can observe it in use in others and how it gets things done, but it still confounds me. The constant entertainment of multiple ideas from all angles, and never really having a map or needing one, just makes my eyes cross. It's the opposite of how I operate. If I did that I would feel so woefully ungrounded and lost. I need to have structure, planned out maps, and oddles of references as I go along in order to even think. Free floating it just makes things so chaotic. How can things even be predicted? I mean I do get it. I see other people use it and work well with it, but inside I feel like it shouldn't work.

It's ultimately the lack of structure, particularly on a conceptual level, and the sheer divergence of it all that renders it difficult for me to grasp. I can never imagine thinking or being that way.

 

[Peter Pan]

Wish all these functions and stuff just had like regular names or something

I mean if we can take a concept and be all reducey to like oh that's Fi or that's Ne or that's Si and people know what we're talking about by just those two letters than surely there must be like actual words already out there that stand for the same concepts

There's like a fucking bunch of words in English and it doesn't make sense to me how there not one word in the whole English language that can't take the place of Fi or Se or Si that actually means something also outside of typology

 

[skimpit]

I'd say Fe. I may have Fe, and may even be Fe-dom, but I still don't understand it. I can explain it to a person readily, but I can't fathom how I have it. It's honestly confusing. Though I was thinking about this today: I think Fe/Ti users are more common, Fi/Te users not really. Yet Fi/Te exerts a lot more control over the dominant type, when you think Fe would be able to do it with a function like Ti.

I do agree that Ti makes you a little sociopathic. However I think lower Fe users are less socipathic than higher ones, simply because they're ignorant. And that sounds mean, but it's true. It's like trying to solve a math equation when your teacher has only given you a bit of the way it should be done. You don't know how to go any farther. And your ignorance keeps you safe, but it ain't bliss. Hmm, hmm.

Fe just screams those articles you read on BuzzFeed, they're kinda relatable but not really and they get old fast. Or maybe those articles on WikiHow about how not to fail at relations with other people. When you google, "how to have friends thnks", Fe is all that you get.

And I think it deserves its reputation as hella mean. And don't say I'm hating on it, because I may very well be its user.

 

[chickpea]

all of my shadow functions are difficult for me, but probably Ti is what i struggle with the most. i understand the value in it, but having to actually listen to the process just makes my eyes glaze over or even frustrates me. it can be circular, pointless mental masturbation that is painful to listen to. even if it's regarding a topic i'm interested in, Ti tends to focus on (what I see as) the most irrelevant detail and beats it to death. it makes me regress into a bored, eye-rolling teenager who doesn't caaaaaare.

i fully relate to Te even though it's my inferior function. when it comes to issues of logic i defer to my most respected source of information. i don't try to create my own.