Cypocalypse
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For a change, I'd put something different in this ENTP saturated forum as of late.
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I thought that some of you may find this interesting since ENTJs are probably the least likely to post in MBTI forums, the least likely to tell things about themselves, and the least likely among NTs to take MBTI into serious consideration.
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A couple of years ago (I was in my early 20s), I was posting regularly on a relationship forum of my university's unofficial online community. I have a considerable interest in relationships that time, since the thought of future isolation scares the shit out of me (eventually, I would end up in a stable ongoing relationship), even if my archetype (INTP) isn't exactly the most sociable one. Being still single in my early 20s somehow triggered a panic button of some sort.
At the same time, there was also an ENTJ posting there. Possibly around 20 years older than me. The forum is populated by people in their 20s, so he's a bit outside the majority, age-wise. He's suffering from a sort of a midlife crisis, most notable reason for it is that he was still unmarried, and he realized that time is not on his side.
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It's a sensor dominated online forum, and being among the few intuitives that post there, people initially thought that we're the same person posting under two usernames. It's possibly because of the intellectual flair in the way we post our opinions. But between the two of us, we don't like each other that much. Classic case of ENTJ-INTP grudge.
He sees me as the intelligent guy who "wastes" his intelligence by bumming around (classic INTP accusation). Not that I feel threatened by that. He knows he can't pursue an argument with me long enough because I might pull out a tangent line of reasoning that may put him off guard. And that's what I notice that ENTJs are scared off--things that could rattle their poise.
There was this time when he posted something on a certain thread. Something about how he feels that he's at the losing end of things when he brings out money on a date. Well, granting that ENTJs have that Donald Trump aura in them that makes women have interest solely on their money, he doesn't want to be taken advantage of in this set-up.
So I told him, "Why not change your strategy or approach if you feel that you're at the losing end of things?"
It pissed him off so much that he went into a childish line of reasoning, saying that he should be the more desireable guy between the two of us because he's the one who has the resources.
What the heck? I'm not even competing with him. It's not as if I have a better resume to begin with.
That made me laugh so hard because I think I just touched a nerve--one of the few instances an ENTJ lost his poise.
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It's an interesting ironic dilemma that I noticed in him. He knows he's at that losing end of the status quo, but at the same time, he's so scared of a paradigm shift that in the end, he still insists the virtue of something that he's losing at.
Is this something ENTJs are prone at?
He doesn't put that much regard in the merits of my statement though, probably because my statements are often connect-the-dots in nature and lacks "tangibles", or so he thinks.
Well, if you're dealing with human behavior, you have to have a good knack for connecting the dots because there are many intangibles.
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Eventually, I'd be in a relationship, and one of the best things that I've learned from an NFJ forum member is the art of positive scripting. It's more like the process of being politically correct. You need not care for the welfare of the other person, but you need not offend him/her.
It was something that I'm able to infuse in my INTP persona, letting me develop a strong Fi.
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That ENTJ guy is still single, and the new stuff I heard about him is that he's calling up girls from that community, some of which are my friends (he doesn't know, and those girls tell me) that are young enough to be his daughter. Jesus!
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Some thoughts that I just wanna share to ENTJs that could be reading this:
1. When a person is on a learning mode, he's not in the position to insist on his biases. EVER!
2. Only an intuitive can understand an intuitive. Don't expect much from the sensors though. Don't have a confrontational behavior towards an intuitive that can possibly help.
3. When setting up goals in a relationship that may involve minor tweaks in your personality, set REALISTIC ATTAINABLE goals. The ENTJ guy I just describes there wants to be the bad boy archetype (ESTP) so badly, it's funny. You don't become the archetype from the opposite spectrum overnight.
4. It doesn't mean that when you like to talk about sex, you're automatically regarded as a player. For some obscure reason, I notice that some of you like to talk about sex a lot, when it's questionable when you even had lots of it.
5. An INTP wants to talk with you. Really. Just don't have that superiority complex attitude.
______________
I thought that some of you may find this interesting since ENTJs are probably the least likely to post in MBTI forums, the least likely to tell things about themselves, and the least likely among NTs to take MBTI into serious consideration.
______________
A couple of years ago (I was in my early 20s), I was posting regularly on a relationship forum of my university's unofficial online community. I have a considerable interest in relationships that time, since the thought of future isolation scares the shit out of me (eventually, I would end up in a stable ongoing relationship), even if my archetype (INTP) isn't exactly the most sociable one. Being still single in my early 20s somehow triggered a panic button of some sort.
At the same time, there was also an ENTJ posting there. Possibly around 20 years older than me. The forum is populated by people in their 20s, so he's a bit outside the majority, age-wise. He's suffering from a sort of a midlife crisis, most notable reason for it is that he was still unmarried, and he realized that time is not on his side.
______________
It's a sensor dominated online forum, and being among the few intuitives that post there, people initially thought that we're the same person posting under two usernames. It's possibly because of the intellectual flair in the way we post our opinions. But between the two of us, we don't like each other that much. Classic case of ENTJ-INTP grudge.
He sees me as the intelligent guy who "wastes" his intelligence by bumming around (classic INTP accusation). Not that I feel threatened by that. He knows he can't pursue an argument with me long enough because I might pull out a tangent line of reasoning that may put him off guard. And that's what I notice that ENTJs are scared off--things that could rattle their poise.
There was this time when he posted something on a certain thread. Something about how he feels that he's at the losing end of things when he brings out money on a date. Well, granting that ENTJs have that Donald Trump aura in them that makes women have interest solely on their money, he doesn't want to be taken advantage of in this set-up.
So I told him, "Why not change your strategy or approach if you feel that you're at the losing end of things?"
It pissed him off so much that he went into a childish line of reasoning, saying that he should be the more desireable guy between the two of us because he's the one who has the resources.
What the heck? I'm not even competing with him. It's not as if I have a better resume to begin with.
That made me laugh so hard because I think I just touched a nerve--one of the few instances an ENTJ lost his poise.
______________
It's an interesting ironic dilemma that I noticed in him. He knows he's at that losing end of the status quo, but at the same time, he's so scared of a paradigm shift that in the end, he still insists the virtue of something that he's losing at.
Is this something ENTJs are prone at?
He doesn't put that much regard in the merits of my statement though, probably because my statements are often connect-the-dots in nature and lacks "tangibles", or so he thinks.
Well, if you're dealing with human behavior, you have to have a good knack for connecting the dots because there are many intangibles.
_______________
Eventually, I'd be in a relationship, and one of the best things that I've learned from an NFJ forum member is the art of positive scripting. It's more like the process of being politically correct. You need not care for the welfare of the other person, but you need not offend him/her.
It was something that I'm able to infuse in my INTP persona, letting me develop a strong Fi.
_______________
That ENTJ guy is still single, and the new stuff I heard about him is that he's calling up girls from that community, some of which are my friends (he doesn't know, and those girls tell me) that are young enough to be his daughter. Jesus!
_______________
Some thoughts that I just wanna share to ENTJs that could be reading this:
1. When a person is on a learning mode, he's not in the position to insist on his biases. EVER!
2. Only an intuitive can understand an intuitive. Don't expect much from the sensors though. Don't have a confrontational behavior towards an intuitive that can possibly help.
3. When setting up goals in a relationship that may involve minor tweaks in your personality, set REALISTIC ATTAINABLE goals. The ENTJ guy I just describes there wants to be the bad boy archetype (ESTP) so badly, it's funny. You don't become the archetype from the opposite spectrum overnight.
4. It doesn't mean that when you like to talk about sex, you're automatically regarded as a player. For some obscure reason, I notice that some of you like to talk about sex a lot, when it's questionable when you even had lots of it.
5. An INTP wants to talk with you. Really. Just don't have that superiority complex attitude.