[Traditional Enneagram] What's your Enneagram and Jungian Archetype?

[RadicalDoubt]

Here's a list of descriptions on the archetypes: Twelve Archetypes

also here: 12 Archetypes pt. 2

I want to see if there are any correlations between the two. If I get enough input, I'll make a graph and stuff, but I'm going to assume I probably won't. ONLY FILL OUT WHAT YOU FEEL RELATIVELY CERTAIN ABOUT (it's not necessary to fill out all prompts)

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it):
2) Your enneagram tritype:
3) Mbti:
4) Your jungian archetype:
5) Second most fitting archetype:
6) Other notes:

Ex.
1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it): 6w5 sp/so
2) Your enneagram tritype: 631
3) Mbti: INTP
4) Your jungian archetype: The sage
5) Second most fitting archetype: The magician
5) Other notes: I'm probably the sage, but I'm ambitious and the word "transform" really hits a certain spot in my behavior. It the two archetypes had a child, that would be me. Also my level of certainty on my type (ennea/mbti/archetype) is probably an 85%.

 

[Earl Grey]

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it): 5w6 sp/so [IX's TYPOLOGY ARCHIVE - THEORY]
2) Your enneagram tritype: 538
3) MBTI: An Intuitive. The rest seems rather balanced, but tend to IN--
4) Your Jungian archetype: The Seeker
5) Second most fitting archetype: The Orphan

6) Other notes: I don't actually wholly relate to any of these. Also, I relate to things in Twelve Character Archetypes but not the other link (The 12 Common Archetypes), link #2 seems rather scattered and spotty. If I really had to pick from link #2, I'd pick the Sage and nothing else.

The Seeker - the problem with this is that everything fits me except for 'iconoclastic' and 'oppositional'. For one, I just do things because I am curious, if they happen to set me aside from society or is 'unique' or ends up being opposed/oppositional, it's simply a secondhand effect. I am not iconoclastic or oppositional for its own sake. Also, this is a neutral drive in me and is not super tied to ambition or inherent perfectionism. Depth and clarity, yes, but not quite perfectionism, but I do have desires to see the knowledge being implemented (ambition?).

The Orphan - I don't really know if I take a victim stance, I know life is not fair, so I don't really have the mindset of "I'm too wounded" or "I am exempt from XYZ" (and if you want to follow simple logic, if the individual was exempt, they would not have been a victim to begin with. It's not even sound thinking). The problem is that I do relate to the archetype but not the behaviour, I end up becoming belligerent and in denial. The reason I pick this is that I relate to the bit 'having to go through the agonies of the developmental stages they missed' (which I previously denied needing in the first place- it's a big problem with me) but it is due to the sheer dire need of not being a victim (even if say, I actually was). Also replace 'everyone matters' to 'everyone is the same', which is more accurate of me.

The Sage - including this because I didn't relate to The Sage from link #1 but I did pick it for link #2. The problem with link #1 is that it seems that being dogmatic is a highlight of this Archetype- and I'm far from it. If anything I'm more to unrestrainedly individual / detached without trying and I have no problems with temptations for dogma whatsoever. In fact I tend to run into problems with other people who are dogmatic. Dogmas imply a belief system that is followed- not a truth, and often works rigidly and in absolutes. I don't work that way, I don't need to believe in something just for the sake of having something to believe (and thus not falling into dogmatic tendencies whatsoever).

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

4w5 sx/sp

479

INFJ

The Caregiver

The Lover

 

[Luminous]

As I am not totally sure of this, feel free to throw mine out if you make a graph.

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it): either 4w5 or 9w1 sx/sp
2) Your enneagram tritype: 4x9, most likely 469, though 479 is a possibility
3) Mbti: INFP (function wise, INFJ dichotomy wise)
4) Your jungian archetype: the Lover
5) Other notes: Somewhere between Caregiver (I don't like some of the words used-but that might be arguing over definitions too much), Lover, and Sage. I don't fully understand the distinctions between Lover and Caregiver. I went with Lover because I don't feel I'm self-sacrificial.

 

[Saturnal Snowqueen]

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it): 9w1 sp/sx
2) Your enneagram tritype: 974
3) Mbti: INFP
4) Your jungian archetype: The Seeker
5) Second most fitting archetype: The Innocent
6) Other notes: Meh. Found that I answered yes to most of the archetype quiz questions, but those types fit pretty nicely

 

[Population: 1]

Not sure on enneagram/instinctual/tritype (best guess)

1. 5w4 sx/so
2. 548
3. INFP
4. The Sage
5. The Creator
6. Usually I get Sage/Creator/Destroyer (Rebel by your second link) at the top of archetype results.

 

[cascadeco]

1. 9w1 sp/sx
2. I don't really put much weight on tritype, but think it would be 469 or 479.
3. Revisiting.
4. Seeker seemed most 'me'/readily identifiable, followed by Sage.

 

[Snow as White]

1. 4w3 sx/sp
2. 478 or 479
3. ENFP (I also get INFP) not really fully one or the other.
4. the creator

 

[notmyapples]

1. 9w1 sx/so
2. 974
3. INFP
4. The Magician
5. The Fool/Jester

 

[neko 4]

1. 4w5 sp/sx
2. 459
3. INFJ
4. The rebel
5. (don't know)

 

[Maou]

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it):
5w4 or 4w5 pretty even. Sp/sx
2) Your enneagram tritype:
541
3) Mbti:
INTP
4) Your jungian archetype: The sage
5) Second most fitting archetype: The magician/Jester
6) Other notes: Bleh

 

[Zhaylin]

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it):
9w1 sp/so

2) Your enneagram tritype: ?
Unsure

3) Mbti:
INFP

4) Your jungian archetype:
Self: Sage 72% (Sage, Joker, Innocent Child) Persona: Sage 69% (Sage, Joker, Caregiver)

5) Second most fitting archetype: ?

6) Other notes: The site I used for archetyping says "Self" is your true personality/inner self whereas "Persona" is the outward personality that's projected to others (Jungian Archetype Test - Psychologist World)
(They call the Sage the Wise Old Man but I changed it here)

 

[RadicalDoubt]

6) Other notes: The site I used for archetyping says "Self" is your true personality/inner self whereas "Persona" is the outward personality that's projected to others (Jungian Archetype Test - Psychologist World)
(They call the Sage the Wise Old Man but I changed it here)

Yeah, I played around with that test as well. I hesitated to link it here purely because of my own bias against the types I was getting (I couldn't really relate to what it was giving me/it was inconsistent with other quizzes I've taken). Your result seems pretty on par with INFP though, as long as you think it fits that works.

 

[Zhaylin]

I scoffed at being given the Joker as my second.
The JOKER? ME? Seriously?
Then I read into it some more and I guess it actually does fit. I'm no comedian, but I do love to make people smile and laugh and take themselves and life less seriously

What ended up interesting me more were the third choices. I see myself as more childlike but I want the world to think I'm all grown up?
Hmmmm...

 

[Coriolis]

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it): 5w6 sp/sx
2) Your enneagram tritype: 5 1 4
3) Mbti: INTJ
4) Your jungian archetype: Magician
5) Second most fitting archetype: Creator
6) Other notes: Explorer/Seeker archetype is a close third. If I had to weight the three, it would be Magician 5, Creator 3, Explorer 2. The themes I am relating to are the desire to turn visions into reality, and the need for independence and being true to myself.

This is interesting, [MENTION=34313]RadicalDoubt[/MENTION]. I hope you get enough data to make your graph/table.

 

[cacaia]

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it): 9 i/so/sp
2) Your enneagram tritype: 947
3) Mbti: xNFx, but function- wise, INFJ
4) Your jungian archetype: Innocent Child
5) Second most fitting archetype: Wise Old Man (third-caregiver)
5) Other notes: This last test just cracked me up. How can I be an innocent child AND a wise old man? Oh, that's right. It's definitely me we're talking about here. Always in the cusp of things, always a contradiction.
In archetype, it goes: Innocent Child, Wise Old Man, Caregiver. In persona, it goes: Innocent child, Joker, Wise old Man. Yeah, I guess I am naive, a dreamer, and do expect the best of others, though deep down I know these are mere perfectionist thoughts.

 

[NatureChaser]

Enneagram : 6w7
Tritype : 694
MBTI : ISFJ
Jungian archetype : The innocent (maybe, I can consider myself as naive most of the times)
Second most fitting : I don"t know, don't even fit "The Seeker" even when my Enneagram tritype nicknamed "The Seeker"

 

[ceecee]

1) Your enneagram core type (including iv if you know it): 8w9 sp/sx
2) Your enneagram tritype: 835
3) Mbti: INTJ
4) Your jungian archetype: The Warrior (although I disagree with some)
5) Second most fitting archetype: The Seeker (again, disagree with some but overall they are accurate)
6) Other notes: I also identify with some of The Explorer and The Rebel.

 

[tommyc]

1) 4w5 sp/sx
2) 458
3) INFJ
4) The Seeker
5) The Sage
6) Im very balanced between F/T and sp/sx.

 

[stoic]

1) 9w1 sx/sp
2) 9w1-5w4-2w1 (952)
3) INFJ-A
4) The Sage
5) Caregiver (The Great Father)

I'm really wondering if these jungian archetypes relate to astrology. Channeling my strong 5 fixation...

I know Jung studied it himself along with the four elements which basically are expressed in the four functions:

• intuition = fire (sexual mars)
• sensing = earth (self-preserving)
• feeling = water (sexual venus)
• thinking = air (social)

Along with their yin and yang, introversion and extraversion. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a correlation to astrology here.

Astrology to Enneagram Correlation
Type One is Mercury - Virgo, Gemini
Type Two is The Moon - Cancer
Type Three is The Sun - Leo
Type Four is Neptune - Pisces
Type Five is Uranus - Aquarius
Type Six is Saturn - Capricorn, Aquarius
Type Seven is Jupiter - Sagittarius, Pisces
Type Eight is Mars - Scorpio, Aries
Type Nine is Venus - Libra, Taurus

The twelve different zodiac signs express twelve different personalities and can be seen described with specific archetypes and character traits.

Astrological Archetypes
Taurus: Farmer (Cook, Musician, Gardener, Security)
Cancer: Mother (Healer, Feeler, Protector, Self-Sacrificial)
Capricorn: Builder (Authority, Executive, Father, Manager)
Pisces: Martyr (Mystic, Dreamer, Poet, Romantic)
Libra: Judge (Lover, Artist, Peacemaker, Arbitrator)
Leo: King (Commanding, Performer, Affectionate, Prideful)
Aries: Warrior (Daredevil, Pioneer, Survivor, Impulsive)
Aquarius: Teacher (Revolutionary, Genius, Humanitarian, Scientist)
Sagittarius: Explorer (Traveler, Philosopher, Optimist, Athlete)
Virgo: Craftsman (Hermit, Server, Analyst, Self-Critic)
Gemini: Jester (Storyteller, Journalist, Communicator, Multi-faceted)
Scorpio: Actor (Detective, Sorcerer, Competitive, Intense)

Based on all of this, here is my guess...

{Sun}
Leo: King = Ruler
{Venus}
Taurus: Farmer = Innocent
Libra: Judge = Lover
{Moon}
Cancer: Mother = Caregiver
{Saturn}
Capricorn: Builder = Creator
{Uranus}-{Saturn}
Aquarius: Teacher = Everyman
{Neptune}-{Jupiter}
Pisces: Martyr = Outlaw
{Jupiter}
Sagittarius: Explorer = Explorer
{Mars}
Aries: Warrior = Hero
Scorpio: Actor = Magician
{Mercury}
Virgo: Craftsman = Sage
Gemini: Jester = Jester

With the planet configuration it would turn out on the Enneagram to look like this:

Type 1: Sage, Jester (Mercury)
Type 2: Caregiver (Moon)
Type 3: Ruler (Sun)
Type 4: Outlaw (Neptune)
Type 5: Everyman (Uranus)
Type 6: Creator, Everyman (Saturn)
Type 7: Explorer, Outlaw (Jupiter)
Type 8: Magician, Hero (Mars)
Type 9: Lover, Innocent (Venus)

Seems close to the mark.

Four Elements of Typology - Google Docs