Do you believe there is a universal and objective morality? If so what is its basis? From what does it arise? Is your belief based upon philosophy or spirituality/religion? If you believe in amorality, moral relativism etc. do you live in accordance with your belief? What difference does it make?
I was discussing this with someone the other night, they were suggesting that there is a universal morality, opposing post-modernism or relativism, however they believed that this morality is a consequence of humanity's evolved consciousness and evolved with humanity, morality is Godless.
They had some circular logic about the impossibility of a morality being decided or dictated (atheists project all their fears or ambivalence about authority upon deities) by God as it would render God a moral monster, inconsistent with their own moral precepts as they permit evil acts to happen. To me that is the old chestnutt about the problem of evil. I dont see it as either proof of the none existence of God or proof of morality being necessarily Godless. Simply because if free will is a moral good then the rest must follow without God being monsterous or anything like that.
I see morality as eminating from God, not an anthropomorphised God who is a king/dictator but the author of cosmic order. That's as distinct from the cosmic order itself too but that is perhaps less revelent to this topic. The ordered cosmos is reflected at all levels, including the individual human psyche and obedience to morality is a recipe for health, amorality or immorality is a recipe for disorder and illness.
That is simple enough to deduce, it is consequentialism. Even were certain deeds, killing for instance, can be justified logically or rationalised, they will still carry consequences for those performing them. Trauma is no real respector of motives, the impact can be handled but you cant ignore or deny it.
It is possible to hold this to be true without being a theist or if you are a kind of post-theist humanist like Erich Fromm, it means simply that God is synomynous with the development of consciousness, Fromm thought that what man believed in as God was in reality a universal humanism underlying or underpinning all religion and culture.
I think that the universality of the morality I describe does underlie or underpin all religion and culture like that but with religion and culture as the filters, often distorting it but remaining in some way always linked to its origin.
These filters reflect diverse contexts and that diversity is what gives rise to mistaken conclusions about relativism or amorality or subjectivism.
I was discussing this with someone the other night, they were suggesting that there is a universal morality, opposing post-modernism or relativism, however they believed that this morality is a consequence of humanity's evolved consciousness and evolved with humanity, morality is Godless.
They had some circular logic about the impossibility of a morality being decided or dictated (atheists project all their fears or ambivalence about authority upon deities) by God as it would render God a moral monster, inconsistent with their own moral precepts as they permit evil acts to happen. To me that is the old chestnutt about the problem of evil. I dont see it as either proof of the none existence of God or proof of morality being necessarily Godless. Simply because if free will is a moral good then the rest must follow without God being monsterous or anything like that.
I see morality as eminating from God, not an anthropomorphised God who is a king/dictator but the author of cosmic order. That's as distinct from the cosmic order itself too but that is perhaps less revelent to this topic. The ordered cosmos is reflected at all levels, including the individual human psyche and obedience to morality is a recipe for health, amorality or immorality is a recipe for disorder and illness.
That is simple enough to deduce, it is consequentialism. Even were certain deeds, killing for instance, can be justified logically or rationalised, they will still carry consequences for those performing them. Trauma is no real respector of motives, the impact can be handled but you cant ignore or deny it.
It is possible to hold this to be true without being a theist or if you are a kind of post-theist humanist like Erich Fromm, it means simply that God is synomynous with the development of consciousness, Fromm thought that what man believed in as God was in reality a universal humanism underlying or underpinning all religion and culture.
I think that the universality of the morality I describe does underlie or underpin all religion and culture like that but with religion and culture as the filters, often distorting it but remaining in some way always linked to its origin.
These filters reflect diverse contexts and that diversity is what gives rise to mistaken conclusions about relativism or amorality or subjectivism.