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a debate that was not intended to be a series of essays on the subject of SFJ's.
BUT THEY'RE SO HOT
a debate that was not intended to be a series of essays on the subject of SFJ's.
BUT THEY'RE SO HOT
ISN'T THAT ENOUGH?
If you get the creepy crawlies while watching a scary movie, then yes you do believe in the supernatural.
Also:
"i really have to disagree with all of these, mal. or perhaps i am not understanding your wording. i don't think being an ESFJ is about following cultural norms at all. i think that all Fe dominants have a good understanding of interpersonal relationships and interactions between people, and as such they are the most skilled at building, defining, rerouting, and upholding social ties and therefore social institutions."
I made an earlier statement about the ESFJ upholding social institutions, but you didn't quote that part.
I don't see where we disagree at all, you've just added much more detail to a debate that was not intended to be a series of essays on the subject of SFJ's. But thanks anyway.
Um yeah (capslock).
While INTJs may excel at a particular style of intelligence, there is no real correlation between being smart and being a particular personality type.
Other personality traits being the same, an iNtuitive person (one who grasps patterns and seeks possibilities) is 25 times more likely to have a high IQ than a Sensing person (one who focuses on sensory details and the here-and-now).
Again, other traits being the same, an Introverted person is 2.6 times more likely to have a high IQ than one who is Extraverted; a Thinking (logic-oriented) person is 4.5 times more likely to have a high IQ than a Feeling (people-oriented) person; and a Judging person (one who seeks closure) is 1.6 times as likely to have a high IQ than a Perceiving person (one who likes to keep his options open).
Moreover, if you encounter an INTJ, there is a 22% probability that his IQ places him in the top 2 percent of the population. (Disclosure: I am an INTJ.) Next are INTP, at 14%; ENTJ, 8%; ENTP, 5%; and INFJ, 5%. (The next highest type is the INFP at 3%.) The five types (INTJ, INTP, ENTJ, ENTP, and INFJ) account for 78% of the high-IQ population but only 15% of the total population.**
Four of the five most-intelligent types are NTs, as one would expect, given the probabilities cited above. Those same probabilities lead to the dominance of INTJs and INTPs, which account for 49% of the Mensa membership but only 5% of the general population.**
Persons with the S preference bring up the rear, when it comes to taking IQ tests.**
I meant to reply to this but I was at work and forgot. There are correlations between being smart and particular personalities types. But that's all they are. In case you haven't seen this page before (it's been cited on this forum), here it is again. Of course it's not predictive beyond the statistical, YMMV:
http://politicsandprosperity.wordpr...elligence-personality-politics-and-happiness/
OH.MY.GOD.
Did you just link me to a libertarian blog to make your point?
And I thought my little running naked/get in the damn car story was the hilarious high point of this thread.
It just keeps on giving.
lol that's not true. i've discovered that i get the creepy crawlies purely from the music in scary movies. turn it off, crawlies gone. it's about raising instinctive fear and the feeling of impending danger, not actually believing in ghosties.
so i missed one statement amongst many. the way you're wording it clearly makes SFJs sound brainless, and i'm not the only one who's picked up on this. i was trying to be diplomatic about it, but nooo. and you, sir, are the one pulling the the topic away from the OP. i am just seeking to rectify baseless stereotypes.
apologies for your thread, lily. i will be interested what you have to say about our ideas for your son.
While INTJs may excel at a particular style of intelligence, there is no real correlation between being smart and being a particular personality type. Too many people on the Internet mistype themselves as iNtuitives, in my opinion, just because they think they are unique, interesting, different, question things, are educated, and have above average intelligence (which is often true, I'll admit, when you encounter many people on discussion forums they tend to be people who are a little quicker intellectually in many cases) ...but that isn't what really divides Sensors from Intutives.
The argument that Jung himself was ISTP is very compelling evidence that his theory is the most correct one, as it does not rely on the Keirsey or MBTI stereotypes which perpetuate N-snobbery and bias against Sensors, as it addresses core world views rather than stereotypical cultural ways of being.
Twice this thread was pulled off-topic, and not by me. The first time, I was asked to elaborate on my thoughts about Sensors. The second time, Marmie was going on and on about something. So please try to keep up. I only allowed her to keep trotting out posts to keep from getting bored. Furthermore, the idea that I am stereotyping anything was based on one of Marmie's sillier straw-dog accusations of which she has many.
I apologize, lily, but trolls will be trolls. But I think in the long run you got some very useful information despite them.
His tested IQ is 91. We were very surprised because our family tends to have high IQ's in general. I never heard that about babies and IQ. Do you happen to remember where you heard/read that? I would be interested in finding out more about that.
I'd go with INTJ. No, his IQ isn't 90, but an IQ test actually has to be "interesting" to actually measure that. No 90-IQ kid is going to beat adults at chess.
Let him be weird. I think he'll surprise you.
You know that many other people than me in this thread thought your arguments were invalid, except they weren't as amused with your crazy as I was. Once I start telling stories about getting spankings from prudish SJs, it's difficult to stop.
I agree with Jim that her son is IxTJ. I think his post is one of the more intelligent ones in the thread.
You know, except for LegerdeMain's insightful correlation between INFJs, Taco Bell, and colon cancer. That was brilliant.
His tested IQ is 91. We were very surprised because our family tends to have high IQ's in general. I never heard that about babies and IQ. Do you happen to remember where you heard/read that? I would be interested in finding out more about that.
I don't have to care what other people think unless they offer valid arguments. Yes Jim is right, sometimes IQ tests mess up. But for some reason he disagreed with lily's idea that her son has Asperger's. Many of those cases are misdiagnosed when they are children, but it has been replaced with a different diagnosis these days: high-functioning autism. I've known a couple respectable scientists who started out in life as misunderstood low-achievers with undiagnosed Asperger's.
INTJ children frequently test horribly on IQ tests. my INTJ friend tested with an IQ of 80 in junior high. he took one again recently and it literally went up 100 points
Uumlau also had a great post thrown in about Lily's son being INTJ.
I mean, that was my first guess, but IxTJ no doubt. I don't even know where people are getting ISTP, honestly.
As for other people making valid arguments, Skylights did, and Jag, Funny Digestion, and Leger tried to parallel the ridiculousness of your stereotypes just as I did, except that they sensibly gave up sooner, witnessing what they were clearly dealing with. That is, someone who doesn't know Jungian cognitive function theory from a hole in the ground.