Trump vs. Biden

[Red Memories]

Help Staff Your Local Polling Place. There's a national shortage right now. (Probably because of the pandemic).

thank you!!! And it is a plus because health wise I don't have anything making me high risk...plus I did find a face covering that doesn't cause as much negative effects for me...so here's to hoping maybe they'll bring me on board in my local area!!!

 

[Virtual ghost]

Some of the talking points I saw in my local media


The current presidential campaign in the US is the darkest one in the history of the country. (but you guys know all about that one)

Bloomberg is giving 100 million to secure blue Florida

Trump is killing his own base with rallies

 

[ceecee]

Some of the talking points I saw in my local media


The current presidential campaign in the US is the darkest one in the history of the country. (but you guys know all about that one)

Bloomberg is giving 100 million to secure blue Florida

Trump is killing his own base with rallies

Bloomberg is not giving Biden anything. He's already lied about this.

Trump is killing his base with rallies, this is true. But he's always despised his base, including evangelicals (Can you believe believe that bullshit??) so the fact they are willing to die for him is standard cult behavior.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Bloomberg is not giving Biden anything. He's already lied about this.

I saw English headlines about this. So you think this is fake or I am missing something ?

 

[ceecee]

I saw English headlines about this. So you think this is fake or I am missing something ?

No neither.

Bloomberg commits to spend $100 million to help Biden in Florida

From March 27, 2020

Mike Bloomberg pledges $18M infusion to DNC to beat Trump in November

 

[Lord Lavender]

How anyone can vote for Trump for a 2nd time much less admire the orange turd and even re-elect him is beyond me. He obviously doesn't care about even his fanatic followers willing to kill them in the thousands at bullshit rallies showing he is more concerned about political survival than governing, crisis management or peoples lives and well hoods and gives licence to violence such as threatening people in the aftermath of the Floyd death and subsequent protests instead of offering leadership and empathy, would be a piss poor Civ player with alienation of allies e.t.c. The orange "thing" I don't want to insult turds by comparing them to him legit makes me angry. He is a self serving, narcissist, idioitc buffoon with no redeeming traits (Which is rare for me most people I can see some good in). "rant over". I don't think Biden is the second coming of Jesus or anything like that but he seems the far better choice of the two (He at least isnt denying science or real life overall) .

 

[Virtual ghost]

How anyone can vote for Trump for a 2nd time much less admire the orange turd and even re-elect him is beyond me. He obviously doesn't care about even his fanatic followers willing to kill them in the thousands at bullshit rallies showing he is more concerned about political survival than governing, crisis management or peoples lives and well hoods and gives licence to violence such as threatening people in the aftermath of the Floyd death and subsequent protests instead of offering leadership and empathy, would be a piss poor Civ player with alienation of allies e.t.c. The orange "thing" I don't want to insult turds by comparing them to him legit makes me angry. He is a self serving, narcissist, idioitc buffoon with no redeeming traits (Which is rare for me most people I can see some good in). "rant over". I don't think Biden is the second coming of Jesus or anything like that but he seems the far better choice of the two (He at least isnt denying science or real life overall) .

Well, when you observe from outside it is totally obvious that the guy is just a disaster. However internally US has become such a mess that good chunk of the country just doesn't see it anymore. Their logic, their lives, their values, .... complete blur.

 

[ceecee]

How anyone can vote for Trump for a 2nd time much less admire the orange turd and even re-elect him is beyond me. He obviously doesn't care about even his fanatic followers willing to kill them in the thousands at bullshit rallies showing he is more concerned about political survival than governing, crisis management or peoples lives and well hoods and gives licence to violence such as threatening people in the aftermath of the Floyd death and subsequent protests instead of offering leadership and empathy, would be a piss poor Civ player with alienation of allies e.t.c. The orange "thing" I don't want to insult turds by comparing them to him legit makes me angry. He is a self serving, narcissist, idioitc buffoon with no redeeming traits (Which is rare for me most people I can see some good in). "rant over". I don't think Biden is the second coming of Jesus or anything like that but he seems the far better choice of the two (He at least isnt denying science or real life overall) .

 

[Z Buck McFate]

True. But that is too much of a chore and I am here kinda too much as it is. Today when you have only two polls this is ok but when they dump 10+ of them this format is kinda too big to make every day (plus senate). Therefore I just take a look at 358 and copy paste numbers for individual states. Since I presume that people who really care will double check on their own anyway.



If someone from US wants to takeover this they are more than free to do so.

Do you always use the same sources? You could put them in your signature - that way it's a once and done task, but it would substantiate the numbers you post regularly. (Or if there are several sites you use, you can list them in a regular post and then link that post in your signature).

I can understand not wanting to link the source every single time, especially if you're doing it from a phone. And though it hasn't bothered me personally (maybe because I'm afraid to give *any* polls too much credence after what happened in 2016; I'm not informed enough about the various polling agencies to know which ones to take seriously), listing the source is actually pretty important where polls for this election are concerned.

 

[Lord Lavender]

Well, when you observe from outside it is totally obvious that the guy is just a disaster. However internally US has become such a mess that good chunk of the country just doesn't see it anymore. Their logic, their lives, their values, .... complete blur.

Thats true frog in a boiling pot and all. There has to be some deeper root cause going on here that allowed Trump to succeed. Ideally I don't think large numbers of people would purposely vote against their own interests but there we go. The Trump admin resembles that of a stereotypical dystopian corrupt state and large groups of voters seem okay and even enthusiastic about that.

 

[ceecee]

Thats true frog in a boiling pot and all. There has to be some deeper root cause going on here that allowed Trump to succeed. Ideally I don't think large numbers of people would purposely vote against their own interests but there we go. The Trump admin resembles that of a stereotypical dystopian corrupt state and large groups of voters seem okay and even enthusiastic about that.

As long as the people they hate and fear are suffering, they are fine with it. Even if it impacts them. Even if it kills them at this point.

 

[ceecee]

I'm curious what these people call their fantasy universe. Health care? The wall? lol China or Japan paid farmers??

 

[Virtual ghost]

Do you always use the same sources? You could put them in your signature - that way it's a once and done task, but it would substantiate the numbers you post regularly. (Or if there are several sites you use, you can list them in a regular post and then link that post in your signature).

I can understand not wanting to link the source every single time, especially if you're doing it from a phone. And though it hasn't bothered me personally (maybe because I'm afraid to give *any* polls too much credence after what happened in 2016; I'm not informed enough about the various polling agencies to know which ones to take seriously), listing the source is actually pretty important where polls for this election are concerned.

Well from now on I will just add "copy pasted from 358", since that is what I am doing. Especially because I don't put too much faith into the polls either, so I don't complicate. In general polls are probably mostly correct since ideologically 2020 is much more simple than 2016, but the degree of correctness the in polls is still questionable (for a number of reasons). Therefore this is exactly why I prefer to keep it very simple in presentation. If you are a "poll hawk" you will search for your own data and details anyway. After all these are just polls and in my culture polls are never proven facts and we don't take them too seriously by default. After all multi-party system and election day that is moving through all 4 seasons between years simply aren't good for 100% exact polling. Plus if I am not mistaken towards the very end they even become illegal in order not to effect the result. So for me all of this is 100% informal.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

As long as the people they hate and fear are suffering, they are fine with it. Even if it impacts them. Even if it kills them at this point.

I do agree that it seems like rancor for 'the liberal elites' (whoever/whatever that is - seems like a bogeyman to me) is fueling a lot of partisan energy, but I don't think they believe they are shooting themselves in the foot/voting against their interests? I can practically guarantee at least 95% of Trump supporters have no fucking clue what "socialism" is, let alone "democratic socialism" (and how it would stop them from needing 3 jobs to cover the cost of living, or stop them from being 1 unpreventable medical emergency away from complete financial devastation regardless of how "hard" they've worked their entire lives), but they 'know' it's something to be so horrified of that they must vote against it at all costs.

 

[ceecee]

I do agree that it seems like rancor for 'the liberal elites' (whoever/whatever that is - seems like a bogeyman to me) is fueling a lot of partisan energy, but I don't think they believe they are shooting themselves in the foot/voting against their interests? I can practically guarantee at least 95% of Trump supporters have no fucking clue what "socialism" is, let alone "democratic socialism" (and how it would stop them from needing 3 jobs to cover the cost of living, or stop them from being 1 unpreventable medical emergency away from complete financial devastation regardless of how "hard" they've worked their entire lives), but they 'know' it's something to be so horrified of that they must vote against it at all costs.

The deprogramming that some of these people are going to need has to be covered by any M4A/universal care proposal, without a doubt.

 

[ceecee]

I love these ads....

Actors wanted - no experience needed - event gigs

 

[Z Buck McFate]

How construction workers in Ohio view the election

As in 2016, perhaps a third of the workers claimed to have no interest in the election. Yet almost all who had voted for him in 2016, even if tentatively, now vigorously endorsed him.

“He’s done a great job, he’s got everyone back to work. I’m pretty much 100% for him,” said Kyle, a 30-year-old electrician. “He shoots his mouth off but at least that shows he’s honest,” said Jason, a pipe-fitter, who said he especially liked Mr Trump’s commitment to reducing the national debt. “He’s done more for our country than the past ten presidents put together,” said an older builder, Jeff, skimming wet concrete on a new road. “He’s made—who is it, China or Japan?—pay our farmers billions of dollars. He got health care done, which the Democrats could never do. He built the wall.”

The only anti-Trump voice Lexington heard—aside from that of Mr DiGennaro, a blue-dog Democrat—belonged to Jeff’s boss, Greg, ladling concrete alongside him. “I think Trump’s bad for the country, bad for morals, a bad example to my children and I want him out,” he said—then added that his Fox News-addict wife disagreed: “I think we’re going to get divorced and I’m not joking.”
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At all of it really (he built the wall?), but the health care thing is particularly bizarre.

 

[Red Memories]

How construction workers in Ohio view the election

As in 2016, perhaps a third of the workers claimed to have no interest in the election. Yet almost all who had voted for him in 2016, even if tentatively, now vigorously endorsed him.

“He’s done a great job, he’s got everyone back to work. I’m pretty much 100% for him,” said Kyle, a 30-year-old electrician. “He shoots his mouth off but at least that shows he’s honest,” said Jason, a pipe-fitter, who said he especially liked Mr Trump’s commitment to reducing the national debt. “He’s done more for our country than the past ten presidents put together,” said an older builder, Jeff, skimming wet concrete on a new road. “He’s made—who is it, China or Japan?—pay our farmers billions of dollars. He got health care done, which the Democrats could never do. He built the wall.”

The only anti-Trump voice Lexington heard—aside from that of Mr DiGennaro, a blue-dog Democrat—belonged to Jeff’s boss, Greg, ladling concrete alongside him. “I think Trump’s bad for the country, bad for morals, a bad example to my children and I want him out,” he said—then added that his Fox News-addict wife disagreed: “I think we’re going to get divorced and I’m not joking.”
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At all of it really (he built the wall?), but the health care thing is particularly bizarre.

whutttt

 

[Virtual ghost]

Thats true frog in a boiling pot and all. There has to be some deeper root cause going on here that allowed Trump to succeed. Ideally I don't think large numbers of people would purposely vote against their own interests but there we go. The Trump admin resembles that of a stereotypical dystopian corrupt state and large groups of voters seem okay and even enthusiastic about that.

For me getting the facts wrong is pretty good and deeper reason why this is all happening. They as a country created a culture where facts and common sense are kinda relative and subjective. What in combination with bad basic education, greed and illogical political system snowballed into a mess. So now everyone is simply looking for a savior. The very fact that Trump can pass as one tells you how bad things really are.



However I also think that no one is actually talking about the real elephant in the room. Which is: will common people outside of US accept Trump as the new/old president? If it happens once ok, accidents happen bla bla bla. However if it happens twice that is starting to look as a pattern, which has very big implications. Will the most of the people in US allied nations accept him or will they start boycotts and similar stuff ? What would sink American economy even deeper and probably brake it completely. This looks as a simplistic argument but this is indeed on the table. In countries where people are putting diametrically opposite candidates than Trump into positions will the people accept US as superpower in this case ? After all legit elections through out the world are based on popular vote. Therefore if you aren't elected through popular vote you aren't a legit president. What your local laws say about this is almost irrelevant since every none democracy will make the laws that will tilt the game in their favor (in this case law simply isn't legit argument for the most). I mean in the most of those countries even Biden is a right wing extremist so general sympathy for the Trump will not be large at all (since it already isn't).

After all these are countries that are pushing climate/environment protection. Plus they already banned most imports of US food, since it doesn't meet the most basic local health standards. Also many people will see Trump as a threat to their healthcare and education systems (since they already do, but for now we are in the zone "it was glitch"). After all there are already protests out there that are against legalizing US food and various practices. Which tend to be upheld since people across political spectrum are for that. Also why buy stuff from the country that formally denies climate change, when you have growing environmental damage at home that you have to repair. I mean why support bad business habits? How do you stand behind Trump as a country if your average local politician is on AOC level? Therefore Trump's win is actually the scenario that is opening the door to many things that we have probably never seen before.



But those are just friends, while enemies such as China will probably quickly come to realization that they have to fight this head on (and they have decent cards to do it). Iran will also realize that is has nothing to lose and it will continue with it's nuclear program. They are even likely to make a major mess in the middle east, with the help of Russia and/or China. Latin America in general also isn't too big Trump fan, for a number of obvious reasons. Therefore overall it is very big question what will actually happen if the Trump win again. It my not even matter that much what establishments around the world think about this. Since every day people in a way vote with how they spend their money. So if a decent chunk of them doesn't like "the story" that will kinda be the problem for US, which is already economically and financially crippled at this point.



So yeah, all of this could be much much bigger political fireworks than most people realize.

 

[Coriolis]

As long as the people they hate and fear are suffering, they are fine with it. Even if it impacts them. Even if it kills them at this point.

Some people are unable to connect the dots between the actions of public officials, and the impact on their lives. Others can, but don't care.