The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

An armed society is a polite society, remember.

 

[Coriolis]

It must be frustrating when others aren't willing agree to your rules before taking the field.

If players on the field have not agreed to a common set of rules, it isn't a game, it's a free-for-all.

 

[Jaguar]

It must be frustrating when others aren't willing agree to your rules before taking the field.

There's nothing frustrating about skipping over nonsense posted from a known Troll. It's actually time-saving. And speaking of nonsense:

If you automatically believe what's in a police report (Bob, Betty, Sam, resisted arrest) you must think Santa Claus is real. Secondly, even if someone were to resist arrest, procedure doesn't call for execution.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

There's nothing frustrating about skipping over nonsense posted from a known Troll. It's actually time-saving. And speaking of nonsense:

If you automatically believe what's in a police report (Bob, Betty, Sam, resisted arrest) you must think Santa Claus is real. Secondly, even if someone were to resist arrest, procedure doesn't call for execution.

Reaching for a weapon, acting aggressively with a weapon or attacking with a weapon generally calls for lethal force.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Reaching for a weapon, acting aggressively with a weapon or attacking with a weapon generally calls for lethal force.

How do you use your weapons without reaching for them?

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so guns should be legal, but don't reach for them. Got it.

sounds like you haven't thought through the consequences of this armed utopia you want

Is that what they teach you at Duke?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I also want more of your Ivy-League coastal elite opinions on life in America's heartland. Those are always fun. Please tell me about how much better things are on the East Coast than in the Midwest.

 

[Jaguar]

I'm waiting for the tough guy to report me for hurting his feelings.

Nah, only Nicodemus can hurt his feelings. I've watched it for years.

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Reaching for a weapon, acting aggressively with a weapon or attacking with a weapon generally calls for lethal force.

You mean pussy force. Learn how to take a man down without executing him. Or putting 7 slugs in this spine.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You wanna fix cops, end qualified immunity, end police unions (and teachers unions for that matter), and end no knock raids.

 

[Jaguar]

You wanna fix cops, end qualified immunity, end police unions (and teachers unions for that matter), and end no knock raids.

I'm in the middle of making lunch, so my responses will be staggered for a bit. Is that a claim, a question, or what? It does't read well.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

That is if you want to fix the problem. If however you prefer the status quo and the outrage machine it fuels so as to have a permanent thing to rage against, carry on.

Why else over shoot the mark with requests like defund the police? The political utility of having a machine to rage against is too great to really want to fix the problem.

Thats why there are never victory conditions for anything. No stated point at which the problem has been addressed. Or if there are stated conditions they are unattainable so as to provide an immortal foe at which to aim religious furor.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

That is if you want to fix the problem. If however you prefer the status quo and the outrage machine it fuels so as to have a permanent thing to rage against, carry on.

Why else over shoot the mark with requests like defund the police? The political utility of having a machine to rage against is too great to really want to fix the problem.

Thats why there are never victory conditions for anything. No stated point at which the problem has been addressed. Or if there are stated conditions they are unattainable so as to provide an immortal foe at which to aim religious furor.

I don't understand your coastal elitist Ivy League jibber-jabber. I just don't think you're capable of understanding heartland values and simple folk that want to make an honest living as opposed to stock-trading and talk-show-hosting.

 

[Coriolis]

Thread closed for review and cleanup.​

Recent posts demonstrate the sort of behavior that resulted in this subforum's closure a couple years ago.

If you cannot present your views without baiting, flaming, trolling, sniping, misrepresenting, and petty bickering that contributes nothing to a greater understanding of the topic, then just move on.

 

[Lexicon]

All right, folks. Pool’s back open.

I strongly encourage you to keep Coriolis’ notice in mind. I just scooped a bunch of bickering into Off-Topic. Do not keep shitting on one another in here. That’s what wrecks it for all of us. Anyone who resumes that behavior will be tempbanned from the thread. No one here is even remotely new. Everyone knows better.
Hell, it’s common sense.

Don’t crap in the pool.

Thx,
- TypoC Modstaff​

 

[Z Buck McFate]

AP: Trump targets ‘white privilege’ training as ‘anti-American’

President Donald Trump has directed the Office of Management and Budget to crack down on federal agencies’ anti-racism training sessions, calling them “divisive, anti-American propaganda.”

OMB director Russell Vought, in a letter Friday to executive branch agencies, directed them to identify spending related to any training on “critical race theory,” “white privilege” or any other material that teaches or suggests that the United States or any race or ethnicity is “inherently racist or evil.”
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Because implicit bias is unconscious, and people tend to project their own unconscious flaws onto others when owning them (the only way to become conscious of them) is too unbearable, apparently training people to examine possible implicit bias in themselves looks like racism against white people.

 

[Red Memories]

AP: Trump targets ‘white privilege’ training as ‘anti-American’

President Donald Trump has directed the Office of Management and Budget to crack down on federal agencies’ anti-racism training sessions, calling them “divisive, anti-American propaganda.”

OMB director Russell Vought, in a letter Friday to executive branch agencies, directed them to identify spending related to any training on “critical race theory,” “white privilege” or any other material that teaches or suggests that the United States or any race or ethnicity is “inherently racist or evil.”
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Because implicit bias is unconscious, and people tend to project their own unconscious flaws onto others when owning them (the only way to become conscious of them) is too unbearable, apparently training people to examine possible implicit bias in themselves looks like racism against white people.

I mean, I do admit I get sick of being told I am "implicitly racist" when I do not think it is so black and white. For some, prejudice is actually a form of racism. Other times, developed prejudices come from experiences. I had a long time online friend who was horribly bullied by a black girl (my friend is latino), and so badly her parents had to pull her out of school. And after that she admitted to me it was very hard for her to associate with black people, because she thinks of her. Similarly, I have prejudice against anyone named Jeffrey because my predators name was Jeffrey. Every time someone tells me their name is Jeffrey my brain clogs and takes 3 steps back. Some people's prejudices are based off very negative experiences. I am not saying prejudice is necessarily okay, but acting like everyone with an implicit bias is merely just a racist horrible person with no logic really causes those with prejudices based on these issues to suffer, feel too ashamed to even consider seeking therapy or help for something related to it, and suggests them as victims of the situation are now perpetrators. When I take those stupid quizzes, I normally get told I'm racist against my own race anyway. Probably because everyone who has ever deeply hurt me was actually white. I've only had very positive experiences talking to people of other races. I do not know if I'd call it anti-american, but I hope they treat it with more nuance than the keyboard warriors do.

 

[ceecee]

State Representative Under Investigation After Facebook Post About BLM – CBS Boston

New Hampshire State Representative James Spillane is under investigation by the State Attorney General for a comment he made on Facebook. Spillane, a Republican, wrote, “Public Service Announcement: If you see a BLM sign on a lawn it’s the same as having the porch light on for Halloween. You’re free to loot and burn that house.”

I do love that they tell on themselves, freely, on social media where everyone can see it. It really is the best part of the internet. Then of course, they cannot believe when they they have to answer for what they say. Which is the second best part.

 

[Red Memories]

I think it's hilarious that these conservatives are so pissed about the violence THEY are responsible for. They voted for Trump. They were told this would happen if they voted for Trump. They've spent 4 years trying to convince everyone else that they aren't had nothing to do with it - everyone else did for voting Hillary or not voting. Let that right wing conservative logic marinate a bit then you will come to the conclusion that these are lost people and truly not worth anyone's time or effort.

Or it's all immigrants fault! Same argument they've used since the turn of the century. 1899 that is.

I saw this in the back log and I fail to see while, I totally agree Trump supporters need to stop blaming everyone, how it is acceptable to tell someone that voting for someone will cause whatever this is. That honestly just makes both parties sound terrible, when they're trying to suggest you cannot vote for whoever it is your democratic republic rights gives you to vote for because we're gonna cause riots and division and disparity oooohhhh. This gets back into the negatives of polarizing politics to the level they are now... I don't like being told what to think or who to vote for otherwise you're going to cause a storm. I don't like it when the militias say it and I don't like it with the very farthest left say it either.

I am sure this will be defended by a complaint of a bout of "whataboutism" because apparently this defends every parties right to ignore their own hypocrisies staring them in the eyeball.

- just want to be clear, I do consider myself a moderate democrat, but I absolutely hate the political holier than thou we have existing in this country right now, and I feel the only way to really combat this is to show how both parties have gone full circle and ended at the same childish mark which allows for nothing to get done. Nothing.

both parties, and their partisan "religion", because to blindly follow every belief of either party suggests you've adopted political figures as god in your life, have destroyed this country. I can only hope some people grow the hell up and start discussing this matter like adults with advocacy for change, likely when Trump is out, rather than continuing division. But I live in Idaho where many militias exist, and next to us is Oregon where the radicals of the other side are existing (and I DO NOT MEAN PEACEFUL PROTESTORS), and all I see is impending bloodshed. Militias are saying they aren't going to stay quiet much longer here. But that is Trump's fault because he has failed to bring unity. At the same time, Obama also failed this job, because he too was not able to completely contain the fire. This flame slowly began and it is hitting a peak. And I really do not think Hilary Clinton could unify this either. I honestly think something in our society is hitting its head. Trump has failed to do either side - he did not unify things and he did not even bring law and order. He just tweets about it.

also can we just delete twitter. Because twitter is a fucking cancer. not just because of Trump. every hateful radical individual has to tweet their venom. Destroy the unifier of the venom, I vote we delete twitter 2020. No social media platform displays the level of cancer which twitter does. I speak as one of those annoying kids who used to be on EVERYTHINGGGG. Every platform. I wouldn't let my own child on that damn website, they defend pedophiles trying to use the LGBT movement as a way to make their stuff acceptable and they do nothing about the rampant toxicity and doxxing and shit which occurs on their platform. Fuck facebook, why isn't twitter accountable for their toxicity?

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State Representative Under Investigation After Facebook Post About BLM – CBS Boston



I do love that they tell on themselves, freely, on social media where everyone can see it. It really is the best part of the internet. Then of course, they cannot believe when they they have to answer for what they say. Which is the second best part.

that wassss....not a smart professional comment at all....

 

[anticlimatic]

It's amusing to see a group of people attempt to "solve" high levels of cognitive and philosophical aspects of the human condition- on a mass, society wide scale- when it's unclear whether or not an individual can do as much for themselves when they are actually willing and trying. Is there anyone who is seriously into this stuff that has actually solved their own penchant for implicit bias? While trying? Most of us with 1001 more pressing matters to deal with don't care, and blanket decrees from crazy activists aren't going to change how much we care, how much we do despite not caring, and if we are being completely honest- those activists aren't going to change a god damned thing. Except, of course, the economic prospects for decades to come of all the cities they've burned and rioted in. And this group- a blind rage driven mob of brainless primates- is the enlightened one we are supposed to be listening to on deep philosophical, spiritual, and cognitive matters? HI-LAR-I-OUS.

 

[anticlimatic]

I think it's hilarious that these conservatives are so pissed about the violence THEY are responsible for. They voted for Trump. They were told this would happen if they voted for Trump.

What a delicious mixture of gaslighting and extortion! Keep laughing. Because nobody center to right- as in nobody who matters in November- is buying it.

Riots, Not Protests: The Media Is Gaslighting You | Opinion

Bad-faith media members tell you civil unrest in American cities are really peaceful protests. And when they do actually acknowledge violence, some media frame it as a direct result of President Donald Trump.
You are being lied to. It's an audacious attempt to gaslight the American public, as some media continue their effort to help defeat President Trump

 

[Z Buck McFate]

...but acting like everyone with an implicit bias is merely just a racist horrible person with no logic...

Anti-racism training and trying to help people become aware of whatever white privilege they may have is not acting like every person with an implicit bias is a racist horrible person with no logic. If there's an anti-racist training facilitator who is rounding up white people to convince them they are racist, horrible people with no logic - and not effectively coaching how to become aware of implicit bias - then it's the teacher that's flawed/"racist" against white people, not the curriculum.