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The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

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"Oh, but he wasn't a Trump supporter. " Nobody you'd call antifa is a Biden supporter. They aren't even Bernie supporters. What is your point?
Antifa are all anarchists who believe if voting changed anything, it would be illegal.


I'd checked out of politics until Pittsburgh, for what it's worth.
 
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And no, I don't think you can claim that people who obsess about immigration and George Soros are "on the left." I've never met anybody anywhere left of center who gave a shit about George Soros.
 

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Pretty sure that wasn't actually the point. Justice isn't blind because she's impartial.
Perhaps, but in some way that article/post came across as "white folks get killed by cops, too, you know".
 

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Perhaps, but in some way that article/post came across as "white folks get killed by cops, too, you know".

Perhaps, but she didn't tie that blindfold on herself, her hands are full. She aint blind because she's impartial.
 
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Folks on the right defend the second amendment because it is necessary for the populace to defend itself if the government becomes tyrannical and corrupt. You guys on the right that love to cite that know it's not legal for U.S. citizens to engage in armed rebellion, right? I'm "confused" about how you can claim such a thing and then be in favor of the primacy of law and order. (Well, I'm not actually confused because the whole thing is really about race, and has nothing to do with either liberty or the rule of law as a general principle.)

At any rate, I tend to agree with the first statement as a matter of principle, and I secretly have for quite some time, even if it was pretty far from the "original intent" despite it's support by "constitutional originalists." I think my reasoning is starting to become less opaque in this particular era now that it's obvious that relying on "norms" is flawed at best. Government surveillance and authority has increased under both Democratic and Republican presidents for almost two decades now. The program Edward Snowden exposed (and Obama administration still sought to prosecute him for his whistleblowing) is now revealed to be illegal.

I suppose before people could claim that such a thing didn't matter because we had "democratic norms and traditions" to protect us. I'd give them a pass. I would doubt the mental capacity of someone who would still claim such a thing now; I would hope that someone else would have power-of-attorney for those individuals.
 

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Folks on the right defend the second amendment because it is necessary for the populace to defend itself if the government becomes tyrannical and corrupt. You guys on the right that love to cite that know it's not legal for U.S. citizens to engage in armed rebellion, right? I'm "confused" about how you can claim such a thing and then be in favor of the primacy of law and order. (Well, I'm not actually confused because the whole thing is really about race, and has nothing to do with either liberty or the rule of law as a general principle.)

At any rate, I tend to agree with the first statement as a matter of principle, and I secretly have for quite some time, even if it was pretty far from the "original intent" despite it's support by "constitutional originalists." I think my reasoning is starting to become less opaque in this particular era now that it's obvious that relying on "norms" is flawed at best. Government surveillance and authority has increased under both Democratic and Republican presidents for almost two decades now. The program Edward Snowden exposed (and Obama administration still sought to prosecute him for his whistleblowing) is now revealed to be illegal.

I suppose before people could claim that such a thing didn't matter because we had "democratic norms and traditions" to protect us. I'd give them a pass. I would doubt the mental capacity of someone who would still claim such a thing now; I would hope that someone else would have power-of-attorney for those individuals.
What I've never understood about people wanting to own firearms to fight the U.S. government is the notion that such weapons could actually win. Do people think that owning guns will enable them to properly fight for their citizen rights against tanks and satellite guided missiles and killer robots? It mostly will escalate the level of weaponry used against them.
 

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What I've never understood about people wanting to own firearms to fight the U.S. government is the notion that such weapons could actually win. Do people think that owning guns will enable them to properly fight for their citizen rights against tanks and satellite guided missiles and killer robots? It mostly will escalate the level of weaponry used against them.

For many folks it's not about "winning". It's about fighting and dying "free" :shrug:
 

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For many folks it's not about "winning". It's about fighting and dying "free" :shrug:
Why do specific weapons matter then? Although perhaps some of it is the ability to fight other minions. One's access to guns can give them an upper hand when it's minion vs. minion, but not so much minion vs. overlords.
 

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Why do specific weapons matter then? Although perhaps some of it is the ability to fight other minions. One's access to guns can give them an upper hand when it's minion vs. minion, but not so much minion vs. overlords.

At the end of the day weapons are just tools. You "can" eat soup with a knife. But it's more efficient with a spoon.
 
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What I've never understood about people wanting to own firearms to fight the U.S. government is the notion that such weapons could actually win. Do people think that owning guns will enable them to properly fight for their citizen rights against tanks and satellite guided missiles and killer robots? It mostly will escalate the level of weaponry used against them.

Well, if Trump wins, I'd have a shot against people feeling emboldened to visit South Chicago and cause trouble. Not so confident about the government, per se.
 

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Then why do people get shot when they don't resist arrest? That's the whole issue with police is that people ARE being shot or killed in other ways even when they don't resist arrest.
 

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Perhaps, but she didn't tie that blindfold on herself, her hands are full. She aint blind because she's impartial.
I always imagined her tying on the blindfold herself, and then picking up her sword and scale.

Apparently you can, just like the prison camp inmates "shot while trying to escape"; that's part of the point.
 

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Then why do people get shot when they don't resist arrest? That's the whole issue with police is that people ARE being shot or killed in other ways even when they don't resist arrest.

Why do people get struck by lightening or bitten by sharks or any number of other statistically vanishingly rare occurrences?

Im suggesting best practices, dont play stupid games and you wont win stupid prizes.
 

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Stop posting that troll from Twitter as a source for anything if you want to be taken seriously. All I have to see is Andy Ngo in the link and I don't even bother clicking it. What's next - Alex Jones? Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Oh, the guy who beat himself up so he could say antifa threw concrete milkshakes at him? Yeah, Disco's big on that guy. I don't think Disco cares about being taken seriously. His goal is posturing. For all his love of guns, he seems frightened when faced by the prospect of anything shooting back. Probably why he didn't serve in Iraq. He's comfortable taking on people armed with milkshakes. Real guns and IEDs? Not so much.

I thought an armed society was a polite society, but I guess not when people disagree with him. Not a surprise.
 

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Stop posting that troll from Twitter as a source for anything if you want to be taken seriously. All I have to see is Andy Ngo in the link and I don't even bother clicking it. What's next - Alex Jones? Nothing would surprise me at this point.

It must be frustrating when others aren't willing agree to your rules before taking the field.

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It must be frustrating when others aren't willing agree to your rules before taking the field.

See? Told you he didn't care about being taken seriously, [MENTION=195]Jaguar[/MENTION].

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It must be frustrating when others aren't willing agree to your rules before taking the field.

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Second amendment rights bro. why wasn't the Trump supporter armed to protect himself?
 
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