The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[Jaguar]

July 30. World Day Against Trafficking in Persons 2020

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I just watched the body cam footage of events leading up to his murder. I had to leave the room so my kids couldn't see me crying. It's so painfully obvious to me that he was likely having a PTSD reaction.

I just can't. People need to understand where people "go" when they have flashbacks or panic attacks. It is NOT FUCKING OKAY to kill people because you can't comprehend flashbacks, panic attacks, or the psychological effects of systemic racism. You don't get to permanently cease a heartbeat and sever the timeline of a life because someone is black and scared.

Systemic racism is a complex inescapable trauma. I'm so sorry to any of you who have had to live through and with it somehow. I don't know how you do it.

 

[Coriolis]

I just watched the body cam footage of events leading up to his murder. I had to leave the room so my kids couldn't see me crying. It's so painfully obvious to me that he was likely having a PTSD reaction.

I just can't. People need to understand where people "go" when they have flashbacks or panic attacks. It is NOT FUCKING OKAY to kill people because you can't comprehend flashbacks, panic attacks, or the psychological effects of systemic racism. You don't get to permanently cease a heartbeat and sever the timeline of a life because someone is black and scared.

Systemic racism is a complex inescapable trauma. I'm so sorry to any of you who have had to live through and with it somehow. I don't know how you do it.

As I have observed before, communities need to add medical personnel and mental health counselors to their first responders in such situations. They have the training to reach out to a person having a mental crisis or even high/stoned in a way that de-escalates things and is safer for everyone.

 

[Mind Maverick]

Smh, even corona is racist.

This is how race statistics work, smh. "There are fewer black doctors" "Must be racism!" Nevermind other factors at play...or does "white privilege" work on COVID-19, too? Lol.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Smh, even corona is racist.

This is how race statistics work, smh. "There are fewer black doctors" "Must be racism!" Nevermind other factors at play...or does "white privilege" work on COVID-19, too? Lol.

White privilege is real though. Like... super real. Racism is real. This is apples and oranges.

I dunno... I don't really want to talk about it at all but felt compelled to say this much. I don't have energy for these debates at all these days. I can't really do "people" stuff anymore.

But yeah... racism is, uh, real.

Also, this has nothing to do with the thread itself.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Smh, even corona is racist.

This is how race statistics work, smh. "There are fewer black doctors" "Must be racism!" Nevermind other factors at play...or does "white privilege" work on COVID-19, too? Lol.

I think it has more to do with access to health care and employment opportunities. You have more white people in "nonessential industries" or industries where they can work from home (like me). More black people are in "essential industries" (like restaurants, grocery stores, and retail), and are thus more likely to be exposed by the virus. The point isn't that the virus is racist. The point is that society is racist.

 

[anticlimatic]

White privilege is real though. Like... super real. Racism is real.

People love claiming things that can't be proven are real when it serves them somehow.
More people would agree that racism is real if the definition remained constant. Instead of being content with traditional racism- the belief that someone is superior because of their race/geographical ancestory, it seems to have been changed into some "devil-like" all encompassing systemic force. Instead of a few that everyone could agree on, we went with a many that most sane people will not agree on. Which is how we end up calling rational people racists, and end up in arguments about whether or not it exists at all.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

People love claiming things that can't be proven are real when it serves them somehow.
More people would agree that racism is real if the definition remained constant. Instead of being content with traditional racism- the belief that someone is superior because of their race/geographical ancestory, it seems to have been changed into some "devil-like" all encompassing systemic force. Instead of a few that everyone could agree on, we went with a many that most sane people will not agree on. Which is how we end up calling rational people racists, and end up in arguments about whether or not it exists at all.

Reread my statement and then note that I indicated I will not discuss this further, and then ask yourself why you found it prudent to quote me anyway.

Or don't. Doesn't matter to me either way.

 

[Maou]

I think it has more to do with access to health care and employment opportunities. You have more white people in "nonessential industries" or industries where they can work from home (like me). More black people are in "essential industries" (like restaurants, grocery stores, and retail), and are thus more likely to be exposed by the virus. The point isn't that the virus is racist. The point is that society is racist.

Or it is because there are more white people per population average? Why do many people assum all minorities are poor and incompetent, and completely incapable without support? That is the real racism in this country imo. Also based purely on population average, more white people should be exposed to Covid in the service industry, than minorities. Especially outside of big cities. This is blatantly based on the stereotype that black people do not venture from low end jobs.

I myself, am an "essential employee" and a just as likely to be exposed to Covid as anyone else. It has nothing to do with race. It has EVERYTHING to do with how governers deal with the situation within their cities. Minorities tend to be concentrated within Democrat run strongholds. Riots are the most likely leading cause of Covid spread in these communities.

You're also implying anyone making less than 6 figures can even afford healthcare lol.

 

[Mind Maverick]

White privilege is real though. Like... super real. Racism is real. This is apples and oranges.

I dunno... I don't really want to talk about it at all but felt compelled to say this much. I don't have energy for these debates at all these days. I can't really do "people" stuff anymore.

But yeah... racism is, uh, real.

Also, this has nothing to do with the thread itself.

Of course racism is real, but so are claims of racism where racism is not happening.

It's not apples and oranges, it's basically me saying you can't just look at statistics alone to support racism claims without examining what's going on behind them / what's causing those numbers to be what they are, and a lot of times that is what happens when people look at statistics pertaining to race or sex. Thus, I used an example that is obviously not caused by racism to demonstrate my point, which was that factors other than racism can produce numbers that are more favorable for whites as well.

Yes, it pertains to this thread, as I am speaking about BLM related contents.

Also, you shouldn't reply then expect me not to reply also. I don't really do that whole "I want to speak my mind but I don't want to talk about it so don't speak yours in return" thing because I think it's unfair and allows only one side to have a voice or explain their points, then no matter how wrong they are, whether what was being said was misunderstood, or whatever else, they have to keep their mouth shut. ...Nah, that doesn't work for me. If you don't want to talk about it then don't talk about it. If you do talk about it I'm going to talk about it also.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Of course racism is real, but so are claims of racism where racism is not happening.

It's not apples and oranges, it's basically me saying you can't just look at statistics alone to support racism claims without examining what's going on behind them / what's causing those numbers to be what they are, and a lot of times that is what happens when people look at statistics pertaining to race or sex. Thus, I used an example that is obviously not caused by racism to demonstrate my point, which was that factors other than racism can produce numbers that are more favorable for whites as well. (Perhaps look at races affiliated with gangs and it might make more sense as to why there are fewer doctors, for example...)

Yes, it pertains to this thread, as I am speaking about BLM related contents.

Also, you shouldn't reply then expect me not to reply also. I don't really do that whole "I want to speak my mind but I don't want to talk about it so don't speak yours in return" thing because I think it's unfair and allows only one side to have a voice or explain their points, then no matter how wrong they are, whether what was being said was misunderstood, or whatever else, they have to keep their mouth shut. ...Nah, that doesn't work for me. If you don't want to talk about it then don't talk about it. If you do talk about it I'm going to talk about it also.

Proclaiming I won't participate is not silencing you. You can inject whatever you want into that, but it doesn't mean it was there to begin with.

 

[Mind Maverick]

Proclaiming I won't participate is not silencing you. You can inject whatever you want into that, but it doesn't mean it was there to begin with.

Ok, when I read it, it seemed like you were saying "I don't want to talk about it but just wanted to throw this out there and that's it" but if the quoted is what you meant then that's cool.

EDIT:
Oh. Lol, just noticed...that is what you were saying, thus why you got bothered when anti quoted you. Yeah. My point was, if you don't want to talk about it, choose to silence your own voice by not replying, don't just get your words in and then say don't reply now.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Ok, when I read it, it seemed like you were saying "I don't want to talk about it but just wanted to throw this out there and that's it" but if the quoted is what you meant then that's cool.

I don't really see the two comments as being mutually exclusive. I just really cannot dedicate the energy to these sorts of social discussions, even though I am opinionated.

 

[anticlimatic]

As I have observed before, communities need to add medical personnel and mental health counselors to their first responders in such situations. They have the training to reach out to a person having a mental crisis or even high/stoned in a way that de-escalates things and is safer for everyone.

Excellent idea in theory, but adding a medical and mental health worker to every 911 first response unit would more than triple the necessary funding. It would be worth it in the long run if keeping a city safe and happy and prosperous enough brought in the volume of employed or wealthy investor types to eventually afford the tab via city taxes, but a lot of cities are not doing much of that lately, and I don't see where else they can get the money to make it work.

 

[anticlimatic]

Reread my statement and then note that I indicated I will not discuss this further, and then ask yourself why you found it prudent to quote me anyway.

Or don't. Doesn't matter to me either way.

Sorry, that quote wasn't personal. I only wanted to make a point off of your post, I wasn't trying to come after you.

 

[Coriolis]

Excellent idea in theory, but adding a medical and mental health worker to every 911 first response unit would more than triple the necessary funding. It would be worth it in the long run if keeping a city safe and happy and prosperous enough brought in the volume of employed or wealthy investor types to eventually afford the tab via city taxes, but a lot of cities are not doing much of that lately, and I don't see where else they can get the money to make it work.

I didn't specify a way to implement this. If I were to do so, it would involve substitution, not augmentation. Some cities, and other nations, already do this quite well without breaking the bank.

 

[Coriolis]

Or it is because there are more white people per population average? Why do many people assum all minorities are poor and incompetent, and completely incapable without support? That is the real racism in this country imo. Also based purely on population average, more white people should be exposed to Covid in the service industry, than minorities. Especially outside of big cities. This is blatantly based on the stereotype that black people do not venture from low end jobs.

I myself, am an "essential employee" and a just as likely to be exposed to Covid as anyone else. It has nothing to do with race. It has EVERYTHING to do with how governers deal with the situation within their cities. Minorities tend to be concentrated within Democrat run strongholds. Riots are the most likely leading cause of Covid spread in these communities.

The statistics presented give percentages, which accounts for the different absolute numbers of whites vs. blacks. I don't see anyone assuming "all minorities" are anything. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

Here's the breakdown of the share of US workers who can telework, by race and ethnicity, according to BLS data from 2017-2018:
• 37% of Asian workers
• 29.9% of white workers
• 19.7% of black or African American workers
• 16.2% of Hispanic or Latino workers

You are just as likely to be exposed to COVID-19 at work as anyone else working in a similar role/setting.

 

[Maou]

You are just as likely to be exposed to COVID-19 at work as anyone else working in a similar role/setting.

That is what I said too, when I said I was just as likely to be exposed. Covid isn't racist, that is nonsense. My point however, was in numbers. More white people = more white cases. But yeah, population average wise. The exposure rates are probably similar, and in some occupations, higher than others.

 

[anticlimatic]

I didn't specify a way to implement this. If I were to do so, it would involve substitution, not augmentation. Some cities, and other nations, already do this quite well without breaking the bank.

Has anybody specified a way to implement this that would work? Because right now the reactionary policies per mob rule suggestion from the absolute morons that occupy our government are proving disastrous:

AOC of NY: "Defunding the police means defunding the police. It does not mean budget cuts or tricky math."
Mayor Bill Deblasio: "We think it's the right thing to do."
NYC: cuts police funding by 1 billion dollars

Shootings increase 177%

NYC is the worst (at apparently everything), but other cities have seen similar effects from similar policy.

 

[Coriolis]

Has anybody specified a way to implement this that would work? Because right now the reactionary policies per mob rule suggestion from the absolute morons that occupy our government are proving disastrous:

AOC of NY: "Defunding the police means defunding the police. It does not mean budget cuts or tricky math."
Mayor Bill Deblasio: "We think it's the right thing to do."
NYC: cuts police funding by 1 billion dollars

Shootings increase 177%

NYC is the worst (at apparently everything), but other cities have seen similar effects from similar policy.

This says nothing about what is done with the money taken away from the police department. If all a city does is reduce police funding, of course that won't help. My previous post already addressed the highlighted:

I didn't specify a way to implement this. If I were to do so, it would involve substitution, not augmentation. Some cities, and other nations, already do this quite well without breaking the bank.

I posted a reference earlier somewhere. They are not hard to find.