The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[Jaguar]

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1287263143723327488


"OR. FUCKING. WHAT?"

Poor spoiled Becky. Cops are authority figures, but they're not your parents. Remember that next time.

I listened to that three times. Did she say "You're worthless" to the cops? I can't tell for sure.

Edit: Never mind. She didn't. Where the hell are people's masks? Losers.

 

[Virtual ghost]

If I lived outside of the US, I would think this as well.

But ever since 2017, when ErdoÄŸan was here and there were protests at the Turkish Embassy, I knew this administration would not only not do anything about this incident (they didn't), but it would take every idea from authoritarian and totalitarian governments it could to suppress free speech and the right to protest with state sanctioned violence.

It's amazing that so many people just buy the Trump administrations explanations on it with no question when there is evidence in front of their face that says otherwise. All I know is this will turn on Trump supporters at some point, authoritarian autocrats don't simply stop with one group.

This is perhaps culturally biased on my part but I am actually getting impression that basically your entire political mainstream is constantly throwing the glove to the people. As they are actually looking for trouble with the public masses. The decisions and talking points are often so out of touch with anything that the impression is basically that they are doing all of this deliberately to burn down everything and piss people off.

 

[ceecee]

This is perhaps culturally biased on my part but I am actually getting impression that basically your entire political mainstream is constantly throwing the glove to the people. As they are actually looking for trouble with the public masses. The decisions and talking points are often so out of touch with anything that the impression is basically that they are doing all of this deliberately to burn down everything and piss people off.

They absolutely are. This is how they justify the near trillion dollar annual military budget and billion and million dollar police budgets in the US, even in small cities. Trump would set a federal building on fire then insist that you thank him for sending the fire department to put it out. That's liberals and right wing political plans for all of this.

 

[anticlimatic]

I listened to that three times. Did she say "You're worthless" to the cops? I can't tell for sure. Edit: Never mind. She didn't. Where the hell are people's masks? Losers.

That was in New York I think. Everybody there is either dead or immune, I don't think they need masks anymore.

 

[Jaguar]

That was in New York I think. Everybody there is either dead or immune, I don't think they need masks anymore.

The post of a fucking 6-year-old.

 

[anticlimatic]

The post of a fucking 6-year-old.

Oh yeah?

Herd immunity might exist in some NYC neighborhoods | CSNY

Antibody test results and reports from local health care clinics suggest that somewhere around 70% of the people in places such as Jackson Heights in Queens and Borough Park in Brooklyn have already had the coronavirus. This could mean they have inadvertently achieved a level of communal protection that has eluded countries that deliberately tried to get it – with deadly consequences.

 

[Jaguar]

Oh yeah?

Demon sperm. You're going to lecture me on demon sperm from Trump's 'impressive' doctor, aren't you?

 

[anticlimatic]

This is perhaps culturally biased on my part but I am actually getting impression that basically your entire political mainstream is constantly throwing the glove to the people. As they are actually looking for trouble with the public masses. The decisions and talking points are often so out of touch with anything that the impression is basically that they are doing all of this deliberately to burn down everything and piss people off.

It's quite a mess, and who you want to blame depends on who you want to believe. The American left is desperate to paint Trump as a martial law authoritarian, so they will do anything and everything in their power to provoke him into fighting them. Attacking federal buildings was enough to get him to send federal law enforcement to these cities, since they are left wing cities and the politicians there can only hold on to their left wing votes by essentially letting the rioters have their way. Since they are standing idle and doing nothing, the lawlessness doesn't benefit Trump (another part of the why they are standing idle), so he has to deploy his own officers to protect federal property. Since the courthouse in Portland was attacked before he did this, he is fairly justified. Protests are protected by the constitution, but lawless rioting of course is not. The left can see the enevitable blowback that is coming their way for stirring up all of this shit (perhaps enough to cost them yet another presidential election in a couple months), so that is why you are seeing all the gaslighting from the leftist institutions (the media, etc) trying to either A, pretend the rioting isn't happening (who are you going to believe? Me or your own eyes?), or B, blame the rioting on Trump "escalating" things- which also doesn't really hold up, as he didn't step in until months of this lawlessness went unchecked by local left wing authorities.


The silent majority of normal Americans is watching all of this unfold in the meantime and drawing their own conclusions, most of which are quite reasonable (and therefore must remain silent). Two weeks ago I thought Trump was done. A week ago I felt it had slid back to a 50/50 chance. Now I'm leaning towards a Trump re-election again. Left wing insanity got him elected the first time, and unless something changes it's going to do it again. Anyone can disagree with my assessment of course, but keep in mind that I knew Trump had it in August of 2016, so I have a fairly decent instinct on this stuff.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

It's amazing that so many people just buy the Trump administrations explanations on it with no question when there is evidence in front of their face that says otherwise. All I know is this will turn on Trump supporters at some point, authoritarian autocrats don't simply stop with one group.

Would they even see it though? It's amazing to me how reality gets twisted to keep believing their thinking is right side up.

This shithead on my Fb list posted relentlessly about the 'hypocrisy" of liberals taking a stimulus check "from Trump" the first time around, and he's doing it again.

I mean - in spite of how it's the Democrats' doing (Republicans didn't not want to help individuals with financial aid again, and the first one wouldn't have been the same without Dems either), and these checks are "socialist" in nature (he fear-mongers nonstop about how "democratic socialism" is the same exact thing as communism, there's no in between.....even though stimulus checks distributed to citizens by a government is as good an example of 'inbetween' as it gets) - this grown-ass adult feels like he's making a good point.

I think Trump could turn on them hard and they'd never be able to see it. Trump would tell them to blame the "radical left" and they 100% would.

eta: I mean, in lots of ways, he HAS turned on them. (Or rather, he never really had their best interest at heart in the first place). Biggest example: the way he's handled coronavirus, it's been about HIS best interests from the start. Yet they don't see it. They see what he (and his shithead spawn & administration) tell them to see.

 

[ceecee]

Would they even see it though? It's amazing to me how reality gets twisted to keep believing their thinking is right side up.

This shithead on my Fb list posted relentlessly about the 'hypocrisy" of liberals taking a stimulus check "from Trump" the first time around, and he's doing it again.

I mean - in spite of how it's the Democrats' doing (Republicans didn't not want to help individuals with financial aid again, and the first one wouldn't have been the same without Dems either), and these checks are "socialist" in nature (he fear-mongers nonstop about how "democratic socialism" is the same exact thing as communism, there's no in between.....even though stimulus checks distributed to citizens by a government is as good an example of 'inbetween' as it gets) - this grown-ass adult feels like he's making a good point.

I think Trump could turn on them hard and they'd never be able to see it. Trump would tell them to blame the "radical left" and they 100% would.

No, they won't. Look at the post above, they won't know it even when it shows up to those safe, anxiety free rural places, knocking on their door.

 

[Virtual ghost]

They absolutely are. This is how they justify the near trillion dollar annual military budget and billion and million dollar police budgets in the US, even in small cities. Trump would set a federal building on fire then insist that you thanking him for sending the fire department to put it out. That's liberals and right wing political plans for all of this.

I was thinking about much wider picture than that. For example leaving people broke in the middle of a pandemic is much much bigger deal for me than any of the mentioned. Plus stuff like polluted water supply, that go back probably for decades. I mean this is 100 point list so I will not even try to mention everything. But the end result of this looks as if the point is to piss off the masses, since nothing but crash and pain can really come out of all this. I just can't believe that politicians across the whole political spectrum can be this blind to reality, since all of this is "let them eat cake" level. They should do something serious at least out of pure self-preservation. Because if this will really explodes the party wouldn't matter all that much to the masses.

It's quite a mess, and who you want to blame depends on who you want to believe. The American left is desperate to paint Trump as a martial law authoritarian, so they will do anything and everything in their power to provoke him into fighting them. Attacking federal buildings was enough to get him to send federal law enforcement to these cities, since they are left wing cities and the politicians there can only hold on to their left wing votes by essentially letting the rioters have their way. Since they are standing idle and doing nothing, the lawlessness doesn't benefit Trump (another part of the why they are standing idle), so he has to deploy his own officers to protect federal property. Since the courthouse in Portland was attacked before he did this, he is fairly justified. Protests are protected by the constitution, but lawless rioting of course is not. The left can see the enevitable blowback that is coming their way for stirring up all of this shit (perhaps enough to cost them yet another presidential election in a couple months), so that is why you are seeing all the gaslighting from the leftist institutions (the media, etc) trying to either A, pretend the rioting isn't happening (who are you going to believe? Me or your own eyes?), or B, blame the rioting on Trump "escalating" things- which also doesn't really hold up, as he didn't step in until months of this lawlessness went unchecked by local left wing authorities.

I am afraid that much larger circle than American left has really bad opinion about the guy. However for me the whole political spectrum failed in preventing what is the root of mass rioting. Which is making sure that people in the cities have something to eat during this crisis. In rural areas you can generally improvise on that front but in a city this is a problem. While towards me the police should remove all these people from the street simply because this is mass gathering during serious pandemic. Even if they aren't actively rioting this simply isn't the time for this kind of activity, especially since most of those people will come home to someone after this (and the most don't have for serious medical bills at this point). All those people are simply too close even if they are peaceful and their virus protection is often minimal/improvised.

 

[ceecee]

I was thinking about much wider picture than that. For example leaving people broke in the middle of a pandemic is much much bigger deal for me than any of the mentioned. Plus stuff like polluted water supply, that go back probably for decades. I mean this is 100 point list so I will not even try to mention everything. But the end result of this looks as if the point is to piss off the masses, since nothing but crash and pain can really come out of all this. I just can't believe that politicians across the whole political spectrum can be this blind to reality, since all of this is "let them eat cake" level. They should do something serious at least out of pure self-preservation. Because if this will really explodes the party wouldn't matter all that much to the masses.

So far, I don't have complaints about the governor of my state or maybe a small handful of federal level politicians. Trump is going to veto anything that that doesn't contain payroll tax cuts (those fund SS and Medicare) so it doesn't matter. I would think self-preservation would kick in but they're more afraid of Trump and corporate donors than pissed off people.

I am afraid that much larger circle than American left has really bad opinion about the guy. However for me the whole political spectrum failed in preventing what is the root of mass rioting. Which is making sure that people in the cities have something to eat during this crisis. In rural areas you can generally improvise on that front but in a city this is a problem. While towards me the police should remove all these people from the street simply because this is mass gathering during serious pandemic. Even if they aren't actively rioting this simply isn't the time for this kind of activity, especially since most of those people will come home to someone after this (and the most don't have for serious medical bills at this point). All those people are simply too close even if they are peaceful and their virus protection is often minimal/improvised.

Well, I do speak with people in Finland and Estonia pretty regularly, I understand it's much more than the American left that has a bad opinion about Trump.

 

[Jaguar]

Portland says federal government owes nearly $200,000 over courthouse fence
The city is assessing the federal government $500 for every 15 minutes that the fence remains in place.

Portland says federal government owes nearly $200,000 over courthouse fence

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, meanwhile, said the agents “sharply” escalated tensions between officials and protesters, “leading to more violence and more vandalism.”

And who didn't see that coming? Of course sending in the feds made it worse. Come on Ted, tell them to GTFO.

 

[anticlimatic]

I was thinking about much wider picture than that. For example leaving people broke in the middle of a pandemic is much much bigger deal for me than any of the mentioned. Plus stuff like polluted water supply, that go back probably for decades. I mean this is 100 point list so I will not even try to mention everything. But the end result of this looks as if the point is to piss off the masses, since nothing but crash and pain can really come out of all this. I just can't believe that politicians across the whole political spectrum can be this blind to reality, since all of this is "let them eat cake" level. They should do something serious at least out of pure self-preservation. Because if this will really explodes the party wouldn't matter all that much to the masses. I am afraid that much larger circle than American left has really bad opinion about the guy. However for me the whole political spectrum failed in preventing what is the root of mass rioting. Which is making sure that people in the cities have something to eat during this crisis. In rural areas you can generally improvise on that front but in a city this is a problem. While towards me the police should remove all these people from the street simply because this is mass gathering during serious pandemic. Even if they aren't actively rioting this simply isn't the time for this kind of activity, especially since most of those people will come home to someone after this (and the most don't have for serious medical bills at this point). All those people are simply too close even if they are peaceful and their virus protection is often minimal/improvised.

It wasn't hunger due to COVID that brought them out, it was boredom and a lack of purpose/alternative religion.

 

[Virtual ghost]

So far, I don't have complaints about the governor of my state or maybe a small handful of federal level politicians. Trump is going to veto anything that that doesn't contain payroll tax cuts (those fund SS and Medicare) so it doesn't matter. I would think self-preservation would kick in but they're more afraid of Trump and corporate donors than pissed off people.

Well, I do speak with people in Finland and Estonia pretty regularly, I understand it's much more than the American left that has a bad opinion about Trump.

Yeah but if I am not mistaken you have falling dams due to years of disrepair, polluted water supply in Flint, generally underfunded education, .... etc. For me all of this is pretty much just inevitable endgame of trends that are going for a while. Some people say it as a word of wisdom but form me your president is indeed nothing but a symptom.


However middle management is obviously afraid of the wrong side of the equation. Because if this really blows from the bottom up the current social dynamic wouldn't last. I speak from first hand experience.

 

[ceecee]

However middle management is obviously afraid of the wrong side of the equation. Because if this really blows from the bottom up the current social dynamic wouldn't last. I speak from first hand experience.

I know you do.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I know you do.

Just for the sake of clarity: When I say experience I mean that quite literally since this is literally how we blew up the system in which I was born. First we pilled up plenty of social problems. Then the dominant figure became the guy that very large part of the country couldn't stand. Who was actually quite good at doing speeches for his supporters at mass rallies. After that serious rifts between federal government and various local authorities started to show up in a number of issues, which were backed by a number of deep cultural and historical divisions. After that the sync between the federal government and various regions started to loose and tensions started to rise. To the point that in some parts of the country local authorities supported by local people started to ignore federal government. While after that federal army and various militias went out to the field in the name of "law and order" ... and then everything just exploded in a way that the whole world could see it. I mean this is so copy-paste that I don't even have to explain what is what here.



Therefore in the end I can only hope that in your case more of the wise people will get involved in this mess before everything just blows up. Since with these cards on the table that will happen if someone doesn't start to lower the tensions either way (and I dare to say this openly to the whole forum). The more you at increasing pressures here or on other sites the larger is the chance that this will blow up completely (and trust me that is the last thing that anyone here really wants to experience).



I can't go through every talking point in these threads so I leave to the others to sort out details in practice.

 

[ceecee]

Just for the sake of clarity: When I say experience I mean that quite literally since this is literally how we blew up the system in which I was born. First we pilled up plenty of social problems. Then the dominant figure became the guy that very large part of the country couldn't stand. Who was actually quite good at doing speeches for his supporters at mass rallies. After that serious rifts between federal government and various local authorities started to show up in a number of issues, which were backed by a number of deep cultural and historical divisions. After that the sync between the federal government and various regions started to loose and tensions started to rise. To the point that in some parts of the country local authorities supported by local people started to ignore federal government. While after that federal army and various militias went out to the field in the name of "law and order" ... and then everything just exploded in a way that the whole world could see it. I mean this is so copy-paste that I don't even have to explain what is what here.



Therefore in the end I can only hope that in your case more of the wise people will get involved in this mess before everything just blows up. Since with these cards on the table that will happen if someone doesn't start to lower the tensions either way (and I dare to say this openly to the whole forum). The more you at increasing pressures here or on other sites the larger is the chance that this will blow up completely (and trust me that is the last thing that anyone here really wants to experience).



I can't go through every talking point in these threads so I leave to the others to sort out details in practice.

Great. Right now I'm far more concerned with people losing their unemployment come Friday and the eviction avalanche that's almost upon us. I wonder if they will be accused of being bored or enamored with a new religion vs being homeless and hungry.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Great. Right now I'm far more concerned with people losing their unemployment come Friday and the eviction avalanche that's almost upon us. I wonder if they will be accused of being bored or enamored with a new religion vs being homeless and hungry.

I know, these are exactly "the cards" on the table I was talking about. But here I really can't help you.

 

[anticlimatic]

What is this sudden new interest in human trafficking people on the right have? Did you get bit by the "I need to virtue signal and protest something" bug? Or is this your way of trying to marginalize BLM with something even more egregious to overshadow it?