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The Gun Appreciation Thread

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An excellent treatment of the issues.

If I might add... I think locus of control theory has a lot to do with it.

Locus of control theory is basically the extent to which individuals believe that they can control events that affect them.

I would think those that have a strong internal locus would be for firearm ownership, while those with an external locus would be against it.

That sounds really interesting. I've never read on this, but I think I'd like to learn more about it.

Its awesome that you mention Edward O. Wilson because he's the only person, besides Fromm, who I know who uses the biophilious thesis, although I dont know if its the same way as Fromm and I know that the reverence for life theory amounts to something the same.

I dont think that gun ownership is necessarily necrophilious at all, just that it could be, commodity fetishising goes way beyond guns and you could be necrophilious in your love of cars or property more than people but guns are a special case because it seems like for some the new american dream is spree killing, finally putting a gun to its intended use and enjoying it and damn the victims.

I've never read Fromm, but I enjoyed Wilson's work.

I think I get what you're saying about some people connecting the new American dream with spree killing, but I have no background knowledge to come to such a conclusion.


Perhaps both of you would like to elaborate more on the particulars of these theories?
 
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As someone who has lived in areas of the US on both ends of the gun culture spectrum (by US standards), I could not be more convinced that what we need is more guns, not less. That being said I acknowledge that there are many people who are very ignorant about firearm safety as well as those who want firearms to harm others. The solution to the first is education, which can then lead to the solution to the second, which is arming as many citizens as possible.
When I lived in the Pacific Northwest, where things are admittedly a little more... colorful, gun owners were in the majority and while violent crime still happened, it was well below the national average. That being said my homeland also has a way of attracting people who are out of their minds, which led to a comparatively high number of mass shooting attempts. The thing is that these attempts were stopped by either armed citizens or local law enforcement.
However, when I lived in Western New York, where gun laws are not as restrictive as NYC but still much more restrictive than most of the nation, homicide was literally a daily occurrence. Not as many blatantly insane criminals, but far more mundane ones that you had to worry about in daily life. Additionally far fewer cops were part of the gun culture and they were generally not very aggressive in combating crime.
Now obviously there are other factors such as local economics, but it's just common sense that (comparatively) sane criminals will be a lot more aggressive if most of the population isn't armed than if more are armed than not. And those that are mentally ill will pretty much do what they damn well feel like, so the rest of us may as well be prepared to deal with that.
 
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^^^^Thank you for noting your experiences.

There's actually a book that's on my wish list by John R. Lott, Jr entitled More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws.

I haven't read it, but its supposed to be revolutionary in its conclusions. Apparently he uses a plethora of evidence and statistics. Not a popular book. An academic one. I believe he's a sociologist, which is interesting since the field often leans to the left politically speaking.
 

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^^^ Ivy, my swords are not for sale!!! :( But glad to be back. :)

sprinkles, that is an interesting video. To me, what I got from it was less about guns and more about what criminologists call the "code of the streets", which I think is ignored when attempting to assess why criminals do what they do.

Last night I read what was probably one of the most foundational articles I've ever read in my life on firearm legislation. It touched on some subjects that I knew about or even thought I knew about and expanded on them in great detail.

The very fact that its written by a Liberal gun owner makes it all the more interesting. I strongly recommend that anyone interested in issue of banning assault weapons, please take the time to read this.

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com...ew-the-assault-weapons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/
 

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Gun appreciation :geek: . Smith and Wesson model 629-4, 44 mag 6 shot with a three inch barrel. Too big for a carry gun unless it's out in the woods on a hike.

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Ruger M77 6mm Bolt action, 5 round Mag. Have owned for decades but never shot yet. Today it is difficult to find rounds for it, along with having to be careful if buying rounds due to the many different 6mm rifles they have on the market today and the past. It also would need a scope which are expensive today for a gun that would be used little, if at all.
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Springfield(Smith-Corona) 03-A3, 30-06. Excellent shooting rifle, but would be considered very heavy to the guns being manufactured today.
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British No# 1 MK III 303. Bought from Big 5 Sporting goods in the 90s. One of their imports from India. Shoots well, ammo is somewhat cheaper then other rounds, but still a heavy rifle compared to the rifles being manufactured today.
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Remington Model 8-A in 30 Remington. The 30 Remington is pretty much the same as the 30-30 except it is a rimless round. It's a gun with some weight to it but is an easy gun to shoot. The 30 Remington is an obsolete cartage today so the 106 rounds I have for it will most likely never be used except for an emergency. Although I have found some places on the internet saying they are making this round, but they want $50 or more for a box of twenty rounds.
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Ruger Mark I Standard Model. Just one of many fun little .22 guns.
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One of two Winchester Canadian Centennial 67 rifles I own. It is based on the Model 1894 lever-action rifle design and has a 26" octagonal barrel. As would be expected form the name they were produced in 1967 for a time when Canada was still filled with people who always made sure you knew they were from Canada so people from other countries would not be confused by thinking they may be from the somewhat backward United States "The Times They Are A-Changin". As of this time I have never fired either one of these guns.
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Remington Model 8-A in 30 Remington. The 30 Remington is pretty much the same as the 30-30 except it is a rimless round. It's a gun with some weight to it but is an easy gun to shoot. The 30 Remington is an obsolete cartage today so the 106 rounds I have for it will most likely never be used except for an emergency. Although I have found some places on the internet saying they are making this round, but they want $50 or more for a box of twenty rounds. View attachment 30886
You're better off just making the initial investment into making your own rounds. You likely came to the same conclusion. I like your historical collection. They look well cared for.
 

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A Lorcin Model L25. One of the inexpensive guns that came out of CA in the 90s. It refuses to digest any type of rounds without jamming. Most likely due to the cheap magazines then anything else with the pistol. Because of that it has sat in its box since. Non of these guns had the best safeties, so if carried it was wise to not carry a round under the striker.
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Another of the inexpensive CA guns, a Bryco Model 59. It was a fun pistol to shoot and even being a blowback had little recoil due to its weight until its takedown button blew out while shooting. Glued it in with some JB weld but it never shot as well after that. Now it just sits in a box.
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Smith and Wesson 9mm Sigma SW9F. One of the early plastic pistols put out by Smith and Wesson. Bought just before the Clinton Federal Assault Weapons Ban as can be seen with the one 10 round magazine. This was one of the guns use for a CCW qualification because I knew it was very accurate and never jammed if held correctly. It was a good gun to open carry but was difficult to conceal carry.
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At one time my preferred type pistol and caliber. A LLama Mini Max II in 45 Auto. This was a copy of a Para-Ordnance pistol. Both companies are out of business today. It had a 10 round mag and I never had a problem with any type of ammo I shot through it. It was a heavy gun making it difficult to carry concealed.
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Winchester Model 97 16 gauge shotgun. The 16 gauge was a much more popular round in the 60s and 70s.
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