If it's very important to an IEE they might try, but the IEE's willpower can only hold out so long as the IEE is interested in the task at hand. Being faced with Ti rules and administration can quickly diminish that interest. IEEs are probably the most fickle of the types.
When you talk about IxE "being interested", I suspect that's a much too generic word to use. Maybe it sounds strange if I ask you to define what "being interested" means to you as Ne-leading but can you please attempt elaborating on this? Including what having an interest depends on. Potential of some sort? What kind of potential? Etc...
As a contrast, I'll say, for me being interested usually involves a challenge, making the thing interesting.
And yeah, I'm nowhere near as fickle, as IEE seems to be.
Procrastination just wouldn't make sense to an Se-lead. To them, the life that is important is that which is lived and experienced now. Why would anything they want to do be delayed until tomorrow?
But I procrastinate on things I don't really want to do lol
I do other shit instead
What does Ne-lead do when procrastinating? Are they not living a life "now"? Too busy with ideas in their heads you mean?
On another note; To refine the picture with procrastination for me, there's also some things that I do want to do but they are pretty enormous tasks needing to be broken down into steps. So I need to do that first. Though sometimes I don't bother and just start anyhow right away. That make sense to you in terms of my type?
Yeah ... you as IxE, do you not ever enjoy much going for things like that? Do you feel "locked in" mentally or something if you were to act with a one-track mind's focus? I'm just trying to understand the Ne mindset
Until a less boring alternative pops up, which the IxE will immediately start to consider rather than the obstacle-ridden task at hand. The grass is always greener on the other side. The IxE gets bored when the task at hand starts to seem repetitive or limited. An IEE faced with Ti will quickly see the venture as one that might have appeared interesting but was riddled with unenjoyable tasks and it's all too easy for them to jump to something else.
So for IxE getting through obstacles is a boring thing? ?
Oh well it's got to do something with Si valuing as well yes?
Well if the thing is a chore or something the Se-lead doesn't desire. They certainly won't be told to do it. As an EP type, they pursue what they desire. The difference with an Se-lead is that once something is desired, they will plough through obstacles with force of will to get at the desired thing while the Ne-lead has a multitude of desired things and will flit from one to the next.
I don't enjoy flitting around between several things/goals at once. I can't explain why not, it just isn't pleasant to my mind. Staying on track for one thing is mentally very pleasant though, more than just pleasant really. Make sense?
I'd say this all Se, the way you like to have your engines revved by challenges and then being able to own it. You're an SLE.
Ooh well it wasn't that hard to type me after all?
Btw were you hesitating originally between Ne/Se for me just because of the intellectuality buzz word? Can't intellect come from logic? I told you that I pretty much do it from logic, not creativity...
Or did you see anything else that seemed N to you?
Well thank you for that, note when read a female portrait that made just that much more sense. (I'm female)
Different levels? I'm afraid my Se isn't strong enough to perceive different levels of force effectively
Ahmm okay... would you say you are a bit overly sensitive in general to whatever you feel is "forceful"?
Offensive as in, taking the offensive. Going in on the offence.
OK. Yes I relate to that then
The Se-lead will realise when the situation requires some Ne, so they will sit down and use it.
Well I sometimes make really silly errors in this area. At least I attribute it to crappy Ne, those cases when I don't think of some options that would've helped me get where I want. I still sort stuff though, sure. It's just annoying when I realise I could've thought of whatever option to use. That sounds like superego Ne then?
He likes to create a synthesised whole for understanding. He doesn't like to adhere to a particular system. This is what I mean by Ti-Id.
It could even be that the particular systems being synthesised might contradict but as long as there is a working whole, this doesn't matter to someone with Te in the Ego.
OK, I see. This synthesis, does it need Ni and/or Ne as well?
OK well enough questions for now heh
That would be Ignoring-Si. You have enough ability in Si to utilise it when necessary but you don't see importance to it. An Si lead might not even want coffee to get energy. They would probably just have cultivated a taste for those of good quality.
Oh I sometimes do like some Si stuff just don't focus on it for long. But yeah otherwise I agree with what you say here
I relate to all of this too and as an LII supposedly I'm Si valuing yet I ignore it much of the time. I tend to push myself body-wise. Stay awake until I'm literally ready to fall over, put off eating until I have gnawing hunger pangs. Things like that. Yet I appreciate good food and comfy things. Sometimes I'm just too lazy to cook something nice, and just eat whatever is easy to get on hand.
I guess I didn't make myself too clear about what I meant exactly
I'm a bit more conscious of Si than that, I prefer to go to bed when I'm tired, of course if there is something I'm working on or whatever, I will be able to stay up longer. I don't have a very well scheduled life but in terms of sleep I do try to keep it regular. Not always easy when you don't have external circumstances forcing you to stay on schedule because then you have to force yourself instead.
Lol at "gnawing hunger pangs", what I do instead is, I have lots of energy to keep going without feeling hungry, and without actually being hungry really, I guess my body is efficient or something, but if I start feeling hunger at a point I usually will take care of it sooner than that. It's not nice being too hungry, it makes me irritable in a way I feel I have no control over. I can otherwise ignore that too if needed. But I don't really want to ignore hunger for long also because I do sports regularly and I don't want that to get in the way. I actually need to schedule my eating to a degree because of the sports stuff. I can exercise for pretty long even when hungry but it's just not conducive to the goal of getting fitter, better have an effective schedule for that.
So that's what I meant by "Sometimes I take care of certain basic negative aspects".
Hmm the other aspect, I do appreciate refined stuff, good food in a good restaurant but I'm just as happy eating something simple that I don't hate eating. I don't need much comfort in terms of that. That's lucky for sure as I hate having to spend much time on these needs, I see it as a waste of time to spend too much with it, I only cook simple quick food for example. Um, I don't like to spend too much money on food either, that's a waste of money again
though I sometimes do spend money when I feel like it.
Otoh, I don't know where that fits in socionics but I'm picky with some foods, I don't eat certain meat for example. I never tried to force myself to like it and I don't feel the need to.
Btw I recall mobilizing function is the function that you do value but you can easily ignore as well and then at other times indulge in it a lot, mobilizing function is a really unbalanced function for whatever reason. LII has Si as mobilizing function, do you relate to ever indulging in Si?
Another thing. When I said Si gets in the way, I meant if I was caring too much about comfort I would not be able to do some things so easily. It would mentally and maybe even physically get in the way or something. Not a nice thought at all. For you, does Si get in the way too, I suppose for you it's mostly with intellectual activities where you don't want to take the time to attend to your body?
Also... Do you relate to being good at aesthetics? Because I talked about that too.
In your case, it looks as if you don't pay enough attention to your body... forgetting your physical needs until they're painful etc. this is weak Si.
For Si-Ignoring, they are able to pay attention to their bodies and do, hence why they're good at honing their bodies into physical effectiveness. However, they keep things Spartan because luxury isn't really valued. They won't be neglecting sleep or food though.
Yeah you summed this up very well. I would add though - as above - that I do like luxury at times, if someone takes me to an expensive restaurant, I'm not going to say no to it
(I don't like to spend that much on food otherwise... it's just food, it will be gone in a few minutes. Who cares)
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Well awesome then
In my earlier years, gauging subjective distance definitely wasn't as strong as my ability to produce (or to think about how best to produce). I've put a lot into practice in social psychology. "Having a love/hate relationship with" can turn to "assessing properly, for good and for bad" when one gains a greater understanding.
From some perspective, one could say that being able to pick up on that psychological distance was a goal of mine and that I learned about typology &c. to reach that goal. The way that particular thread was weaved would point squarely to.. .. black-square dominance.
Such an interesting approach. You're so different from me. This psychological distance thing, why were you so interested in developing that? I mean I don't care to hear the socionics explanation of Te-lead Fi-DS, I would like to hear your own perspective on this in normal everyday words without "socionifying" it.
Btw what I bolded, I think that is very very Te. I supposedly have good Te too but I don't actually stop to think about these things as much. I guess if I was Te-lead I would do just that. I'm sorry I doubted your Te-ness ;p Maybe the facts remembering thing is Te with an S thing, LSE more than LIE? LIE would instead do this synthesis thing?
This one actually resonates with me, but with a slant to it. I tend to take on many 'projects' at once, because one or a few might win out, or many may seem interesting; but I shift priorities around and back out of some of those obligations when the prospect for potential disappears. I'm also not a fan of restrictions and details--the former suffocates me and the latter bores me to tears--but my way of handling them is to try to rise to (or otherwise shift to) positions that don't require them; which, in turn, often requires accepting some in the short term.
What kind of potential are you talking about?
Details... you're such a typical N in MBTI too, I bet. I'm not a fan of details only if I can do a shortcut around them
to get to goal quicker.
