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In general agreement with this. Disney's main leverage are the properties they own -- but they otherwise don't have a ton of variety to offer for their site and at some point saturation is reached. Charging $30 to watch their films in early release isn't much of a draw either -- small households are being overcharged, plus you're paying a monthly fee just for access and then are expected to shell out more money to watch films closer to release time. (Typically early release films on all other services runs about $20.) Again, the pool of selection is also much smaller.

All they really have to offer are a few really big franchises.
 

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Watched the first two episodes of Hawkeye on Disney. I think it's pretty awful... or maybe a better way to say it, it's pretty irrelevant and boring so far, and how do you manage to do that with a guy who fought Thanos?

They have a fairly decent cast, but the writing is what's bad -- it's flat and aimless, not really going anywhere. There's quite a number of times they are trying to be funny as well (I think), and the jokes are just so flat or not delivered properly so that nothing is funny. There's an occasional laugh to be had (the Capt America musical concept is goofy, and the bell tower collapse is amusing even if not quite done perfectly), but I feel like this is a "first complete draft" of the script, and then they needed someone with talent to go through and punch it up purposefully to make it more interesting. However, I think structurally it's kind of an underwhelming plot at well, there is no urgency to what they're facing or sense of why anyone should even care about the show.

There's a whole LARP sketch in Episode 2 that I think was supposed to be funny, but it just wasn't funny at all -- it just seemed dumb and laughless. Also Clint had some jokes that would have worked from Tony Stark, but it doesn't seem like they tailored the show to fit Clint per se. He's down to earth, kind, funny in a kind of a family man way. He's gotten some moments to shine with Nat in Endgame and back with Wanda in Age of Ultron, and those felt pretty true -- where is that writing here?

Also, it's a crime to give Vera Farmiga (a very shrewd and smart actress) a part that makes her seem dumb, incoherent, and uninteresting. Like, this might be one of her worst performances I've ever seen, and it's not really her, it's the dialogue she's given and now she's phoning it in.

This reminds me again of Jupiter Ascending, which never figured out what it was supposed to be. Like with that film, there's too much here that is delivered too seriously, whereas it could have been more fun and punched up -- like the whole tracksuit mafia bit, which feels like they want to make a joke of it but then don't take it to the degree necessary to work. So mainly a writing problem, but also a bit of a scene direction problem too.

There's also a problem with the action. Kate Bishop does get a few good rolls and throws in, and she fences well, but in all the fights in episode 1, it's not convincing that she could have delivered or taken that much damage. She simply does not have the body weight to match the sound effects and kinetic responses that occurred in the fights. It all feels fake and silly.

Maybe there is an audience for this with the 11-13 year old crowd, but it doesn't feel very fun for grownups.
 

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They have a fairly decent cast, but the writing is what's bad -- it's flat and aimless, not really going anywhere. There's quite a number of times they are trying to be funny as well (I think), and the jokes are just so flat or not delivered properly so that nothing is funny.
I do agree that there are some parts that didn't land as smoothly as they expected but I do see a future for this series. I think it's because of Hawkeye not being the coolest or the most powerful hero in Avengers, he is certainly one that most of us can relate to.

He is a family man that would risk his life to do anything to save his family. His cold look towards everything except his family does ring a bell to us that hates human interactions but would love our family/ friends with all our hearts.

He is simple yet complex, he is straightforward but yet mysterious. He is a person that no one really looks to for inspiration but sure relate to the most. So give it a second chance, maybe that simplicity of his character and the series can show how mundane everyone's lives are, but it's how we choose to see the challenges and the inspirations in life that counts.
 

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I do agree that there are some parts that didn't land as smoothly as they expected but I do see a future for this series. I think it's because of Hawkeye not being the coolest or the most powerful hero in Avengers, he is certainly one that most of us can relate to.

He is a family man that would risk his life to do anything to save his family. His cold look towards everything except his family does ring a bell to us that hates human interactions but would love our family/ friends with all our hearts.

He is simple yet complex, he is straightforward but yet mysterious. He is a person that no one really looks to for inspiration but sure relate to the most. So give it a second chance, maybe that simplicity of his character and the series can show how mundane everyone's lives are, but it's how we choose to see the challenges and the inspirations in life that counts.
Oh, i was very happy Hawkeye got his own series, for the reasons you mention. However, you are just explaining why the character is worth having a series and you've said nothing about the actual series itself.

The actual execution of the series has been pretty terrible so far. I will stick it out to the end, as I've done for all of them, but unless something drastically changes, it won't be worth ever watching again. The Falcon and The Winter Soldier (the latter of whom is one of my favorite characters) was just as much a mess, even if the characters are worth doing a series over and racial/social issues are worth discussing. The only series that has been executed well overall has been Wandavision, so far. The others have been forgettable.
 

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Stumbled across the South Park "movie" (it's around an hour) that dropped on Paramount+ -- it was pretty enjoyable although it felt more like a setup for later "future" films. It jumps a significant number of years into the future. There's a number of good running jokes, although one of the best is where Cartman has ended up in the future, as it's never totally clear how honest it is. Jimmy as a late-night talk show host is also pretty good. Also, I spent a lot of time wondering where one of the most prominent characters was, but it is all made clear by the end.

Also there's another ongoing joke that I don't want to spoil because the reveal is startling and funny, but it also can be an annoyance IRL (which you'll understand once you know what it is). They've done this before in another episode. Lol, I want to smack these guys sometimes.
 
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If you are someone who is looking for a good old vintage gay movie, Maurice is definitely that movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_(film)

Love the dynamics between each character and the perspectives they have towards the idea of a relationship. It is also interesting to see the gay rights revolutions and how each character has their takes on that despite how it was difficult to be out of the closet during that time. But in the end, the ending was beautiful and it really captures the idea of

"Have the courage to love because it's not something you should be ashamed of"
 

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Hawkeye e3 was an improvement -- mainly because it just focused on Clint and Kate, was mostly action sequences, established the Echo character, and added an interesting wrinkle that Clint has to deal with (pulled from the comic book plotlines) that we haven't seen before. I thought the origin of Echo was touching and too short. It also insinuates a particular familiar baddie coming our way. I suspect this series will introduce Echo, the character I refer to, and also a character that Kate's potential stepfather might represent... if not more. But basically they shored up e3 by focusing on action and avoiding the weaker characters in the series so far.
 

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mad men is essentially an advertisement for cigarettes... and they write ads for cigarettes on the show.
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Oh, i was very happy Hawkeye got his own series, for the reasons you mention. However, you are just explaining why the character is worth having a series and you've said nothing about the actual series itself.

The actual execution of the series has been pretty terrible so far. I will stick it out to the end, as I've done for all of them, but unless something drastically changes, it won't be worth ever watching again. The Falcon and The Winter Soldier (the latter of whom is one of my favorite characters) was just as much a mess, even if the characters are worth doing a series over and racial/social issues are worth discussing. The only series that has been executed well overall has been Wandavision, so far. The others have been forgettable.
Oh yea sorry for the late reply, but yes, I agree that I missed the issue at hand, which was the series itself was bad at the start, maybe it's a correlation to hawkeye's character development. Haha. Being one of the forgotten Avengers at the start, and now, having a TV series because of the fans and the support people have on him. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Watched all of Santa Inc on HBO Max. Ironically I only ended up watching it because of an article about how it was being review bombed on IMDB and elsewhere.


My thought is that the first episode is pretty lousy, in part because they are trying to be super-edgy but not managing to hit any jokes. I didn't laugh at anything until about 2/3 of the way through, and then not much. It is trying way too hard (to be "adult") and failing. But then they ease up a bit and it gets funnier and/or more substantial and actually ends in fairly good form.

It's pretty obvious that it's being review-bombed on IMDB because each episode has almost exactly the same rating (1.1), and if you watch the first episode of a show and give it a 1-2, you are not likely to be watching the remaining 7 episodes because you would not continue to waste another three hours watching something you hate. technically scores should be rising towards the end of the series, because only the people that like it are watching it by that point and also bothering with scoring it. Anyone dropping 1's on every episode basically at best only watched an episode or two and then revenge-bombing all the others.

It actually gets worlds better when they focus more on the characters and interactions rather than just trying to drop raunchy buzz phrases and act edgy non-stop.
 

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Watched all of Santa Inc on HBO Max. Ironically I only ended up watching it because of an article about how it was being review bombed on IMDB and elsewhere.


My thought is that the first episode is pretty lousy, in part because they are trying to be super-edgy but not managing to hit any jokes. I didn't laugh at anything until about 2/3 of the way through, and then not much. It is trying way too hard (to be "adult") and failing. But then they ease up a bit and it gets funnier and/or more substantial and actually ends in fairly good form.

It's pretty obvious that it's being review-bombed on IMDB because each episode has almost exactly the same rating (1.1), and if you watch the first episode of a show and give it a 1-2, you are not likely to be watching the remaining 7 episodes because you would not continue to waste another three hours watching something you hate. technically scores should be rising towards the end of the series, because only the people that like it are watching it by that point and also bothering with scoring it. Anyone dropping 1's on every episode basically at best only watched an episode or two and then revenge-bombing all the others.

It actually gets worlds better when they focus more on the characters and interactions rather than just trying to drop raunchy buzz phrases and act edgy non-stop.
it just sounds lame.

Like, woah, what if Santa and his elves said "fuck" a lot? Just saying curse words or "vagina" or "dick" doesn't count as a joke in 2021
 

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it just sounds lame.

Like, woah, what if Santa and his elves said "fuck" a lot? Just saying curse words or "vagina" or "dick" doesn't count as a joke in 2021
Yeah that was basically the first episode.

Then they got over it and started actually doing stuff.
 
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