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Poor little Trump. The big, mean priest was "nasty" to him. How this pathetic crybaby, with an ego as fragile as glass, ever got elected is completely beyond my understanding.
 

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Poor little Trump. The big, mean priest was "nasty" to him. How this pathetic crybaby, with an ego as fragile as glass, ever got elected is completely beyond my understanding.
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I think his response was far more revealing about him than about the bishop -- at the very least, about his total lack of familiarity with what a typical church service is like, and then about even the basic tenets of Christianity and how they are discussed within a church setting.

Which just leads back to this whole bizarre nature of Trumpism -- how some people seem completely bamboozled by his lies, while for others it's like the "emperor obviously is completely stark raving naked."

Remember way back, in 2016, when someone asked him what his favorite book of the Bible was, and he said something like, "All of it" while being unable to even quote the most basic verse like John 3:16, yet many "Christians" seem to view him as a believer? Pretty much anyone who actually engaged their brain was immediately like, "He has never even read the Bible, he has no idea what is even in it... and he certainly doesn't follow it."

Responding to a priest's basic pleas for compassion for everyone (and this is a common scenario in the Old Testament, where the prophets would go speak "truth to power" FAR more harshly! So this was such a "soft sell" in comparison) by whining like a child on Social Media -- he's not even grown-up enough to talk to her in private if he has a disagreement, instead he has to make a big public stir out of it, to bully her... BULLY A PRIEST -- is just so ironic... everything he does to deflect and hide from the truth is just exposing his fraudulence even worse than he realizes.

Even just a misled but compassionate-at-core person would have heard her intent and thought, "I should make sure I treat people with compassion and make sure what I'm doing is right." Instead he reacted out of shame and anger at someone suggesting his chosen course of action should be reevaluated just to make sure it was compassionate.
 

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I think one of the reasons so many Christians buy into Trumpism is that a large portion of them simply aren't familiar with the teachings of Jesus (either because they don't study their Bible or because they do but don't truly absorb its content), which leaves them with very few criteria by which to judge whether someone really exhibits a Christlike character. Obviously, Trump does not resemble a good Christian--he has far more in common with the Antichrist than the kind of person Jesus taught we should emulate--but they hear him claiming he likes the Bible or whatever, and that marks one of the very few boxes on their checklist of whether someone is or isn't a Christian. If Trump were ever to become true follower of Jesus, he would change his ways pretty quickly, otherwise he could scarcely expect to enter heaven.
 

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I think one of the reasons so many Christians buy into Trumpism is that a large portion of them simply aren't familiar with the teachings of Jesus (either because they don't study their Bible or because they do but don't truly absorb its content), which leaves them with very few criteria by which to judge whether someone really exhibits a Christlike character. Obviously, Trump does not resemble a good Christian--he has far more in common with the Antichrist than the kind of person Jesus taught we should emulate--but they hear him claiming he likes the Bible or whatever, and that marks one of the very few boxes on their checklist of whether someone is or isn't a Christian. If Trump were ever to become true follower of Jesus, he would change his ways pretty quickly, otherwise he could scarcely expect to enter heaven.


Trump launches savage attack on bishop who asked for ‘mercy’ for minorities

Just something to think about.
 

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I think one of the reasons so many Christians buy into Trumpism is that a large portion of them simply aren't familiar with the teachings of Jesus (either because they don't study their Bible or because they do but don't truly absorb its content), which leaves them with very few criteria by which to judge whether someone really exhibits a Christlike character. Obviously, Trump does not resemble a good Christian--he has far more in common with the Antichrist than the kind of person Jesus taught we should emulate--but they hear him claiming he likes the Bible or whatever, and that marks one of the very few boxes on their checklist of whether someone is or isn't a Christian. If Trump were ever to become true follower of Jesus, he would change his ways pretty quickly, otherwise he could scarcely expect to enter heaven.
I dunno. I spent a lot of time in churches with people who studied the Bible in groups every week, read the Bible daily, and knew the words very well. They are not Bible illiterate.

But they kind of missed the point. They simply have a certain political interpretation and see Trump as enabling them to "fix America" and promote Christian nationalism. They fail to see their beliefs as tied to political movements (like the anti-abortion movement) that didn't even start until 45 years ago. (Before then, abortion was actually accepted as a necessary evil, and there was more flexibility on gender transition as well.) But now it's their personal "gut feelings" meshed with the poisoned food they have been spoonfed via televangelists and talk show / radio hosts like Limbaugh for years.

So however they feel about Trump, they somehow feel worse about people who oppose Trump. It's nuts.
 

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Federal employees are told to name colleagues who work in DEI roles or risk 'adverse consequences'

Yup. That email was waiting for me when I logged in this morning. If we turn people in within ten days, there will be no 'adverse consequences.'
 

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I dunno. I spent a lot of time in churches with people who studied the Bible in groups every week, read the Bible daily, and knew the words very well. They are not Bible illiterate.

But they kind of missed the point. They simply have a certain political interpretation and see Trump as enabling them to "fix America" and promote Christian nationalism. They fail to see their beliefs as tied to political movements (like the anti-abortion movement) that didn't even start until 45 years ago. (Before then, abortion was actually accepted as a necessary evil, and there was more flexibility on gender transition as well.) But now it's their personal "gut feelings" meshed with the poisoned food they have been spoonfed via televangelists and talk show / radio hosts like Limbaugh for years.

So however they feel about Trump, they somehow feel worse about people who oppose Trump. It's nuts.


In the end all of this comes to big picture and "desperate times, desperate measures".

The fact is that the establishments of both parties failed to keep things under control. What in the end led to the rise of Trump as some sort of out of the box solution, which deserves a shoot in trying to fix things. In other words if these people were to reject Trump as bad idea they are politically nowhere (while the country would still be on the highway to hell, especially since it was before he showed up). Therefore all of this should be seen in the light of "desperate times, desperate measures".


The only real problem is that this therapy is unlikely to work. The world has really changed over the last few decades and turning the clock back basically requires that the whole world goes back. What simply isn't realistic. Today pretty much every part of the world has it's own trade/political block and you simply can't control everything. Especially since American greatness never really came from America. It came from the fact that all other major powers of the world were in ruins after WW2. While during the cold war everyone with ability and half a brain sided with US, since the alternative was openly abysmal. However all of that is past and returning things to the world where US is once again 50% of the world's economy simply isn't realistic (it currently has about 4% of the world's population). After all winning in trade against people who work for 100$ a month or can't go into medical bankruptcy isn't easy task. In the case that Trump is willing to throw trillions into public education and healthcare I could see stabilization of the situation. However with current agenda and trade wars all over the place the social decay is quite likely to continue. After all these trade wars are basically nothing more than denial that the current economic model lost against what the others are doing. Since always the one that is loosing is rising trade barriers.

What means that the mentioned people have kinda made their peace that they are going down with the ship. So they may as well like the Captain for trying to save the situation. Are his methods right or wrong is basically beside the point in the current situation. You work with what you have.



Just my 2 cents.
 

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They have the Bible, but they do not read it; or reading they fail to understand.

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
 

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Life sometimes writes the best satire.

A group of activists posted this image of a supposed projection on the Tesla factory in Grünheide:

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At first the police claimed the image was fake but now they are investigating against person or persons unknown ... for displaying anti-constitutional symbols! I guess that settles the discussion on the interpretation of his gesture? :D
 

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"Freedom of speech"... yeah. Right.

This is from a private large FB group. I'm not surprised.

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It it true that we can project "entertaining" pictures on factory walls in Germany but things are getting real.


Germany’s far-right firewall weakens as Merz pledges migration crackdown

Will German conservative Merz demolish far-right 'firewall'?


As I said over a year ago, if the electoral math will be such that he in the end will have to govern with both the labor party and the greens it is questionable if he will do it. If it is just one of them ok, but if he needs both there are very open doubts if he will do it. Since that just isn't the mandate he wanted. Therefore if he needs both it is quite possible that he will rather have "honest conversation" with the hard right instead. The elections are a month for now (towards polling center right + hard right majority is possible).

I mean lets be honest: all around Germany there are countries that either have center right+hard right administrations or they are negotiating it (or hard right is simply leading the polls). The only exceptions are Denmark where the left moved quite to the right on many cultural issues. Plus tiny Luxembourg that recently elected center right. So the conclusions about wider landscape are pretty clear overall. What only adds to the odds that the glass will spill.
 

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Too bad the German left won't come down from their ivory towers and give the people what they want. If the left supported migration reform, the right would not have to partner with the far right.
 

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Too bad the German left won't come down from their ivory towers and give the people what they want. If the left supported migration reform, the right would not have to partner with the far right.

How familiar are you with the situation in Germany, the individual parties' position on migration issues and the respective legal leeway or (in some cases) lack therof?
 

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How familiar are you with the situation in Germany, the individual parties' position on migration issues and the respective legal leeway or (in some cases) lack therof?
Not very to be honest. However, this situation tends to repeat itself in many countries. And least the general pattern that the liberal left has let immigration get out of control, the populace becomes disenchanted and starts moving to the right. The far right capitalizes on the dissatisfaction. The center right suggests reform, but the left digs and and resists. Ergo the center right has to look to the far right.

That is probably glossing over all sorts of details in Germany, but from VG's links that's certainly the impression I get. I know Politico fails to capture the exact essence of things when they have the occasional Canada centric article so maybe I am missing key points. They sure make it sound like conservatives are considering partnering with the far right mainly due to migration issues.
 
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