Random political thought thread.

[The Cat]

The Dread Pirate Brandon is coming for your souls...

Mildly interesting seeing some definitely probably maybe not alt right wackadoos seemingly losing their minds crying out into the void, pissing in fear over sleepy joe talking like a mildly riled grandpa who stll thinks cussing is a sin. I would have thought they would have enjoyed seeing red being used to reach across the isle, it is after all supposedly maga and the right's favorite color. Red like those "stylish" trucker hats. Red like the cleansing blood of Jesus, red like that precious wave of there's they keep assuring us it's past due time for any minute....weird. By the optics alone they should literally be erect with national pride...poor things, bless their little trussed up hearts.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think an all volunteer military, allows for too narrow an expression of male aggression in our current culture. All avenues of male enjoyment are under regulatory attack. NFL concussions, climate regs for car guys, gun control for gun guys. Im sure this goes farther than that.

 

[The Cat]

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Who runs the USA has always been answered with the Northeast and DC. The blue state to red state migration we've been seeing threatens to upset that balance.

To start it was just the NE DC and the rust belt that had say. Then the Rust belt dropped out. Infrastructure projects in before the civil war and NY's consolidation after it gave lower cost alternatives to current business locations. Thus we outsourced our jobs interally.

The NE held onto power for obvious reasons. Westward expansion ended in California. It makes sense that all the people trying to run away from the stifling mores of the east coast ended up there leading the wackiness of the left coast we see today.

With NYC controlling Finance its place in the sun was secure as was DC b/c of politics. California spawned an industry that controls the dreams Americans are able to have about themselves. That industry was called hollywood.

If you doubt me, why do people not know what suppressors actually sound like?

This power of course has enormous consequences for the culture of the country. With the leftist wackiness of Hollywood serving to mediate the conservative natural leanings of America.

This changed into a more militant form of leftism after the Frankfurt school was imported to NYC in 33. Those intellectuals and their influence made its way to Hollywood. They immediately started to tear down our culture in the movies the instant they had the power to do so.

And that was it after, WWII they ran the country and that was that. Until something started to happen a cpl decades ago. Folks just started leaving Blue states for red ones. I'll leave the reasons why for another day but you can guess.

With this shift power has started to move back to the south after it was drained for so long in the wake of the civil war. A business friendly environment and low cost and taxes will do that.

The bigger deal thats less spoken about is the rising cultural influence of the South. Ask yourself this, does the UFC get sanctioned operate in the US without a loosening of mores around violence on TV augured by the rising war like nature of the south?

Look at how big a deal college football is. Its back but not that far from the NFL.

These were all leading cultural indicators of the cultural rise of the south. This rise culminates in Trump.

The reason the left is so confounded by Trump, is that they don't understand how a world can exist where the South is powerful enough to make Trump happen. In their minds they still own the cultural discussion in America and any deviance from it is heresy to their dogma.

This is why cultural issues are the issue that tanked America's ability to get legislation passed. Until we get Southern representation in the halls of culture and influence making power our rebellion will not end.

Not only that, but we must play a fundamental role in the legislative character of any reforms to fix our issues. They then have to get that passed, THEN the country can move forward.

 

[The Cat]

Portrait of a bush-league Führer named Peter Vollmer, a sparse little man who feeds off his self-delusions and finds himself perpetually hungry for want of greatness in his diet. And like some goose-stepping predecessors he searches for something to explain his hunger, and to rationalize why a world passes him by without saluting. That something he looks for and finds is in a sewer. In his own twisted and distorted lexicon he calls it faith, strength, truth. But in just a moment Peter Vollmer will ply his trade on another kind of corner, a strange intersection in a shadowland called the Twilight Zone.

Where will he go next, this phantom from another time, this resurrected ghost of a previous nightmare – Chicago? Los Angeles? Miami, Florida? Vincennes, Indiana? Syracuse, New York? Anyplace, everyplace, where there's hate, where there's prejudice, where there's bigotry. He's alive. He's alive so long as these evils exist. Remember that when he comes to your town. Remember it when you hear his voice speaking out through others. Remember it when you hear a name called, a minority attacked, any blind, unreasoning assault on a people or any human being. He's alive because through these things we keep him alive.​

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Woman Who Pretended To Be A Man Dies By Assisted Suicide After Realizing How Difficult It Was To Be One

 

[Coriolis]

Woman Who Pretended To Be A Man Dies By Assisted Suicide After Realizing How Difficult It Was To Be One

Pretending to be something or someone you are not does take its toll. I have read about her study - very insightful. Sad for her to end this way.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Pretending to be something or someone you are not does take its toll. I have read about her study - very insightful. Sad for her to end this way.

It wasn't the pretending that did the damage it was the experience of living as a man.

 

[Coriolis]

It wasn't the pretending that did the damage it was the experience of living as a man.

They are not inseparable. For someone who does not identify as male that "experience of living as a man" is pretending to be something you are not. For someone who does, it can be lifesaving.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

They are not inseparable. For someone who does not identify as male that "experience of living as a man" is pretending to be something you are not. For someone who does, it can be lifesaving.

Of course not but which one of those two things played more of a roll?

The process of getting to experience something new, from a whole new perspective that she likely anticipated fondly?

Or finding out that the thing you were excited about is a fucking modern nightmare?

 

[Coriolis]

Of course not but which one of those two things played more of a roll?

The process of getting to experience something new, from a whole new perspective that she likely anticipated fondly?

Or finding out that the thing you were excited about is a fucking modern nightmare?

Both did. As I said, they are not separable here. It is like the cop who goes undercover in the drug culture. The stress comes from the combination of constant pretense, fear of discovery, and to some degree, nature of the lifestyle. I have read similar from people, e.g. transgender women, who lived their lives presenting as men and get a rude awakening when they start presenting as women. At least they are moving toward their authentic selves and not away from it. That makes a huge difference.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Both did. As I said, they are not separable here. It is like the cop who goes undercover in the drug culture. The stress comes from the combination of constant pretense, fear of discovery, and to some degree, nature of the lifestyle. I have read similar from people, e.g. transgender women, who lived their lives presenting as men and get a rude awakening when they start presenting as women. At least they are moving toward their authentic selves and not away from it. That makes a huge difference.

At what point should the concept of chasing the "authentic" self ever be limited?

 

[Coriolis]

At what point should the concept of chasing the "authentic" self ever be limited?

Ah, so that's what this is about, then? Whether we as humans have a right to personal authenticity? That's not what Nora's study was about, but OK. I don't think it is ever good to force someone to pretend to be something they are not. That is just lying to themselves and others. There are cases, e.g. the undercover cop I referenced above, where it can serve a purpose when done voluntarily for good reason. That's a hard life, as Nora saw, and isn't for everyone.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ah, so that's what this is about, then? Whether we as humans have a right to personal authenticity? That's not what Nora's study was about, but OK. I don't think it is ever good to force someone to pretend to be something they are not. That is just lying to themselves and others. There are cases, e.g. the undercover cop I referenced above, where it can serve a purpose when done voluntarily for good reason.

Yes that is what its about.

If you start from a position of there is no discussion to be had, then there isn't and I won't try here.

 

[Coriolis]

Yes that is what its about.

If you start from a position of there is no discussion to be had, then there isn't and I won't try here.

A discussion can always be had. Should I presume that you think personal authenticity should be limited in some cases, or that it is OK to require people to keep up a pretense? Sure, if you don't, then we are in agreement and it would be more interesting to bring some dissenters into the conversation.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You can ID as whatever you want but you can't force the state to buy into it and then use the state as a weapon to force the rest of the country to allow both genders into bathrooms like you are trying to relive water fountains in Alabama from the fucking 50's.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

What do you think Glenn Youngkin was about but trans rape in a fucking High School.

 

[Coriolis]

You can ID as whatever you want but you can't force the state to buy into it and then use the state as a weapon to force the rest of the country to allow both genders into bathrooms like you are trying to relive water fountains in Alabama from the fucking 50's.

I see. So in your opinion, one's own authenticity is limited by the willingness of others to accept it vs. forcing you to continue the pretense.

Glad we got that cleared up.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I see. So in your opinion, one's own authenticity is limited by the willingness of others to accept it vs. forcing you to continue the pretense.

Glad we got that cleared up.

My opinion is about the negative externalities of buying into trans ideologies as a nation.

Not about any of this academic shit.

 

[Coriolis]

My opinion is about the negative externalities of buying into trans ideologies as a nation.

Not about any of this academic shit.

What even is a "trans ideology"?

This isn't academic. It's about real people essentially being forced to spend their lives as Nora spent those 18 months. She committed suicide in the end, even though she was free to return to her authentic life at any time. Now imagine how it is for someone prevented from ever doing so. That's about as real as it gets.