Random political thought thread.

[Red Memories]

I have a bit of a fluid political perspective, which may be on the right track or not, but I tend to observe that during a crisis, you need more regulation and even distribution of resources. For example, if a hurricane destroys a city, it is constructive to have authority manage distribution of resources, make coordinated efforts for safety protocols, etc. When the natural environment has the most chaos, it is well balanced with intentional controls. In these environments the free market process takes hold of the imbalances, and you end up with people hoarding fresh water, and others pulling out their gold teeth to buy it.

Then, when the environment is stable, and resources are strong, too much control can create imbalances. In those environments, the natural process aspects of the free market can maintain balance.

In this way, my feeling is that right now it is good to have more democratic processes to manage this pandemic and the economic crashing that will happen. As society stabilizes, I could see it being good to have an intelligent, level-headed, reasoned person of character on the Right, a Republican candidate take office to systematically question and remove some of the controls put in place during this crisis phase.

I can appreciate people disagreeing with this position. I don't proclaim great political expertise - it's not my profession, but I tend to value flexible thinking that can adapt to different environments and to pull away from social, tribal dynamics that resist reason.

Balance of power can be very important actually and I think you made some great points here. Economically speaking of course. I wish republicans weren't so avidly against social movements though.

 

[ceecee]

Just something that youtube has thrown at me.

This is a good channel, one called City Beautiful too, I think. They also talk about how lack of urban planning/suburbs destroy cities.

 

[Jaguar]

Arizona GOP Sen. Martha McSally takes goodbye photos with staff, after making her final speech in the Senate

Good riddance.

 

[theablekingedgar]

do libertarians stil exist?

i used to be quite a hardcore one years ago but i realised that it's unworkable in modern society. there would have be a radical shift in awareness and values for it ever to come to pass.
I even used to follow Stefan Molyneux when he did his podcasts years ago, but then i regret it in a way since he's turned into a hardcore racist now. he wasn't back then, but maybe he's realised libertarianism isn't worth it so he's gone all white supremacist.

 

[Maou]

Why the fuck is Canadian food prices nearly 4 times as expensive as American food? Is this what happens when you import everything?

 

[The Cat]

 

[FemMecha]

I feel really sad about the whole Qanon movement. The underlying assumptions for establishing truth values are not based on externally measured, legally or scientifically verifiable truths, but deep sensation, symbols, cryptic messages, supposings, gut feelings, connections between a thousand aberrant data points. Each one feels verified because no accepted authority is trusted, so whatever is rejected by the established scientists or courts and verified by a fringe member is 'conclusive'. There are hundreds, if not thousands of intertwined symbols and inferences woven together like a web structure that appears fragile, but has the tensile strength of steel in the imaginations of those taken into it. It is built on a foundation of assuming the greatest possible evil hovers silently over everyone whispering lies, but it is like the visceral nightmare, the one that made sense, but when you try to recount it, other people shake their heads in confusion and disbelief.

 

[The Cat]

I feel really sad about the whole Qanon movement. The underlying assumptions for establishing truth values are not based on externally measured, legally or scientifically verifiable truths, but deep sensation, symbols, cryptic messages, supposings, gut feelings, connections between a thousand aberrant data points. Each one feels verified because no accepted authority is trusted, so whatever is rejected by the established scientists or courts and verified by a fringe member is 'conclusive'. There are hundreds, if not thousands of intertwined symbols and inferences woven together like a web structure that appears fragile, but has the tensile strength of steel in the imaginations of those taken into it. It is built on a foundation of assuming the greatest possible evil hovers silently over everyone whispering lies, but it is like the visceral nightmare, the one that made sense, but when you try to recount it, other people shake their heads in confusion and disbelief.

its got the feeling of the potential witch hunt of the modern age.

 

[FemMecha]

its got the feeling of the potential witch hunt of the modern age.

It is absolutely a witch hunt towards Hillary. It also assumes everything official is faked. That is why it thinks an entire global pandemic is faked to make it hard for Trump. Every country on planet earth is in on this to attack Trump. That goes beyond narcissism to a complete break with reality. They think hospitals are all in on the scheme to be overflowing with patients, from small towns to big cities in Wisconsin, Wyoming, the U.K. and France. They are ALL in on it. If you wear a mask you are submitting to the alien overlords because they want to see if you will obey or not. Well, as an educator I will say, that is a poorly designed test. People will wear a mask because it's common sense and they don't want to make grandma sick. No one is thinking about or giving a fuck about the people in charge, they care about the health of those they love. If you want to see how far someone will obey the overlords, talk them into taking ZERO precautions during a global pandemic. If you can get people to do that? Well, you have their wills line, hook, and sinker.

 

[The Cat]

It is absolutely a witch hunt towards Hillary. It also assumes everything official is faked. That is why it thinks an entire global pandemic is faked to make it hard for Trump. Every country on planet earth is in on this to attack Trump. That goes beyond narcissism to a complete break with reality. They think hospitals are all in on the scheme to be overflowing with patients, from small towns to big cities in Wisconsin, Wyoming, the U.K. and France. They are ALL in on it. If you wear a mask you are submitting to the alien overlords because they want to see if you will obey or not. Well, as an educator I will say, that is a poorly designed test. People will wear a mask because it's common sense and they don't want to make grandma sick. No one is thinking about or giving a fuck about the people in charge, they care about the health of those they love. If you want to see how far someone will obey the overlords, talk them into taking ZERO precautions during a global pandemic. If you can get people to do that? Well, you have their wills line, hook, and sinker.

yeah, im seeing zero enlightened self interest or even basic survival instinct from these folks. and this is only the beginning.

 

[Maou]

Despite the fact that I openly stated I don't care, or follow Qanon multiple times. Do you guys think I do?

Julius is probably more of a Q follower than myself, as he loves to bring it up whenever I say something remotely related. I am sorry, but just because something floating around in the right wing communities, doesn't instantly make it Q. Even if Q repeats it. Where do you think he is getting those half truths from? Fucking 4chan. I use 4chan, I know. Also, just because Q said it, doesn't mean it isn't true either. Because Q is getting it from 4chan. Who collectively has the intelligence gathering skills that can rival the fucking CIA. That's why they hang out there, and it is why the media hangs out there. I can even give you a very humorous example.

(recommend this entire series btw, its great)

4chan is just smart people acting like idiots. I also find it irritaiting that people assume 4chan is a specific demographics of people. It is the most diverse group of people you will ever meet.

 

[FemMecha]

[MENTION=37565]Dareyth[/MENTION]
I didn't know if you are Qanon, but you have a lot of parallel beliefs. I'm very familiar with it, having been indoctrinated with it for six years. I'm sure there are variants just like there are a lot of different sects or denominations or outlier people for any belief system.

You have mentioned multiple times that the CIA posts on 4Chan. How do you verify this? That seems extremely far out and like a breach of security. I would think that someone in the CIA posting on 4Chan would be systematically fired. They would also have no trouble tracing their account and internet connection. In the olden days, all the secret "CIA operatives" were in the bars trying to get laid. I'm inclined to think this is the cyber-version of that same social impulse. What a great game.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Despite the fact that I openly stated I don't care, or follow Qanon multiple times. Do you guys think I do?

Julius is probably more of a Q follower than myself, as he loves to bring it up whenever I say something remotely related. I am sorry, but just because something floating around in the right wing communities, doesn't instantly make it Q. Even if Q repeats it. Where do you think he is getting those half truths from? Fucking 4chan.

You're going to drag me in? Fair enough.

I don't get it from 4chan. I don't post there or go there, except to use stuff to back up those points. I know about QAnon because I've listened to people who have studied all kinds of goofy right-wing bullshit. The idea that Trump is secretly trying to take down a global pedophile ring is, in fact, what QAnon believes. Since you appear to believe the same thing, it is no wonder that people conclude you are part of QAnon. Perhaps people would not label you as such if you did not believe exactly the same things as them.

I use 4chan, I know. Also, just because Q said it, doesn't mean it isn't true either. Because Q is getting it from 4chan. Who collectively has the intelligence gathering skills that can rival the fucking CIA. That's why they hang out there, and it is why the media hangs out there. I can even give you a very humorous example.

America is great because it is good.

 

[Maou]

[MENTION=37565]Dareyth[/MENTION]
I didn't know if you are Qanon, but you have a lot of parallel beliefs. I'm very familiar with it, having been indoctrinated with it for six years. I'm sure there are variants just like there are a lot of different sects or denominations or outlier people for any belief system.

You have mentioned multiple times that the CIA posts on 4Chan. How do you verify this? That seems extremely far out and like a breach of security. I would think that someone in the CIA posting on 4Chan would be systematically fired. They would also have no trouble tracing their account and internet connection. In the olden days, all the secret "CIA operatives" were in the bars trying to get laid. I'm inclined to think this is the cyber-version of that same social impulse. What a great game.

I thought I explained it before. Let me try again. Well, since 4chan doesn't keep its information on the website for very long. (aka it gets deleted after a while) There are people who post with what is called a time stamp. Aka, a picture, with the date and /pol/ written on it (so they know its not just a random date). This allows users to view the exif data on the picture (because 4chan doesn't strip it like facebook does etc), to see that it was just taken, and from a certain IP and location. This allows users to verify if it is real. When the CIA posts, they usually post their pin/badge and some other identifying feature along with the timestamp. The CIA doesn't leak classified information usually, but they leak information that isn't going to be covered by the media or before it happens. Usually it's things like "We are about to raid X", and then you will see evidence of said raid possibly in the news within a week.

A recent example, is CIA posted a thread about how they were about to raid servers in Frankfort, Germany. A week later, Sidney Powell today in the Lawyer conference with Rudy Giuliani, confirmed that servers to dominion voting were seized in Frankfort (asked by a journalist, who probably was reading /pol/ threads). She just said she wasn't sure if it was done by the good or bad people. They just know it was seized. This confirmed the original post made by the CIA employee on 4chan.

Now, that is all taken with a grain of salt. It is possible to forge stuff and LARP about things. But that is mostly Qanon, and their believers who post on 4chan. No one really falls for it. But 4chan, being as open minded as it is, doesn't forget predictions. 4chan enthusiasts document and archives everything in its community (Think of the internet time machine, but for 4chan specifically. I think its called 4pleb). It will credit posts from months ago, if they turn out to be real. This is the reason the phrase "/pol/ was right again" exists.

 

[Maou]

You're going to drag me in? Fair enough.

I don't get it from 4chan. I don't post there or go there, except to use stuff to back up those points. I know about QAnon because I've listened to people who have studied all kinds of goofy right-wing bullshit. The idea that Trump is secretly trying to take down a global pedophile ring is, in fact, what QAnon believes. Since you appear to believe the same thing, it is no wonder that people conclude you are part of QAnon. Perhaps people would not label you as such if you did not believe exactly the same things as them.

America is great because it is good.

Yeah, you and others have had more contact with the Qanon shit than I have had. Since I am very selective of what I read on 4chan.

Why is taking down a pedophile ring controversial, serious question? I think the idea echos history quite well, as many nobles and kings were pedophiles, as well as many religious leaders. I don't believe that tendency just disappeared because it was illegal. I do know that 4chan talks about how its a way of elites signaling to each other that they are above the law. Which has a lot of obscure evidence to back it up. Like people who accused Tom Hanks of being a pedo after he posted some weird shit on social media. Then the accuser died suddenly. If you think about it, these people really are above the law. How does one comprehend that? What does that mean? Sometimes, life imitates art. The truth, is stranger than fiction. Even if all the elites were indeed pedos, they will never be held accountable for it. They are too politically, and financially strong to do so. We see everyday people defeated in the courts by those backed with money. Why would it be any different here?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Yeah, you and others have had more contact with the Qanon shit than I have had. Since I am very selective of what I read on 4chan.

Why is taking down a pedophile ring controversial, serious question?

My biggest issue is the idea that Donald Trump is the guy trying to take it down. That's just you trying to compensate for the fact that he hasn't done any of the things you elected him to do.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Donald Trump secretly trying to take down pedophiles is the equivalent of liberals convincing themselves that Obama not going after Wall Street or capitulating to health insurance companies is 5-dimensional chess.

 

[FemMecha]

@Dareyth
I can see how that would be intriguing and I don't have information about it. I may try to study into it. It does seem strange to me that a person would not lose their job over that even if it wasn't classified. I don't know anyone working in the CIA but was married to someone with security clearance at a government facility and I can't imagine him being allowed to publicly state anything related to their work in advance. Even if it was declassified it would have been unimaginable. I think those angencies have a culture of being extremely tight-lipped. Showing badge numbers, even briefly, could end up in a screenshot for proof later and there goes your job. I will look into it more to find out if such a thing would be possible.

 

[The Cat]

@Dareyth
I can see how that would be intriguing and I don't have information about it. I may try to study into it. It does seem strange to me that a person would not lose their job over that even if it wasn't classified. I don't know anyone working in the CIA but was married to someone with security clearance at a government facility and I can't imagine him being allowed to publicly state anything related to their work in advance. Even if it was declassified it would have been unimaginable. I think those angencies have a culture of being extremely tight-lipped. Showing badge numbers, even briefly, could end up in a screenshot for proof later and there goes your job. I will look into it more to find out if such a thing would be possible.

That's true. Violating security clearance has some severely life altering consequences. Leaving evidence of it is even more taboo.

 

[FemMecha]

Donald Trump secretly trying to take down pedophiles is the equivalent of liberals convincing themselves that Obama not going after Wall Street or capitulating to health insurance companies is 5-dimensional chess.

It would be quite a secret because he publicly calls the FBI labeled kingpins of child trafficking "fantastic" and "wishes then well". There are also detailed depositions against him in conjunction with said pedafiles for raping a child. They were neighbors, partied together for years and now he has policies separating children from their parents and then sending them across the border alone. Charitable organizations fighting against human trafficking are jointly sending letters to the White House via Ivanka to plead for these children and stop the newly instated policies which were done en masse under Trump and only in rare cases under Obama. The circumstantial evidence against Trump for these very crimes is significant.