Random political thought thread.

[theablekingedgar]

The USA's election has made it a global laughing stock, and how.

 

[Red Herring]

The USA's election has made it a global laughing stock, and how.

Nah, I can assure you the last 4 years have contributed more to that than any electoral chaos ever could.

 

[ceecee]

The USA's election has made it a global laughing stock, and how.

Pretty sure Trump already took care of that.

 

[Mad Hatter]

The USA's election has made it a global laughing stock, and how.

If the outcome had been different. The laughing stock part now only applies to desperate and pathetic attempts of a still-incumbent, who at no single point in four years was even remotely fit for office, at coming to terms with reality - something that has been spared him for far too long. To all of those who put their faith in him, be glad it's over now. He never was the guy you made him out to be.

 

[tony_goth]

I'd like to tell the world a lot of unpopular opinions and then cancel myself, in order to lose the power to revocate these opinions. A true pyromaniac has to kill himself after starting the fire.

Semi-joking

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

If the outcome had been different. The laughing stock part now only applies to desperate and pathetic attempts of a still-incumbent, who at no single point in four years was even remotely fit for office, at coming to terms with reality - something that has been spared him for far too long. To all of those who put their faith in him, be glad it's over now. He never was the guy you made him out to be.

Naw, he's secretly uncovering a global pedophile ring. He was close to Jeffrey Epstein as a way of infiltrating their circles.

 

[Jaguar]

I like this Jocelyn Benson chick in Michigan.

 

[Dreamer]

The population of Greenland is only 56,807. "Greenland is the world's largest island, with a size of 2.175. 600 square kilometers. That area is larger than the following countries combined: France, Germany, Spain, United Kingdom, Italy, Greece, Switzerland, and Belgium." quote from greelandtravel.com

I really wonder.

I don’t have the articles on hand to back up any claims but from what I recall when first hearing about this move is that Greenland is a large resource for natural minerals and could be a potential strategic play for its proximity to the Arctic region...a bit hazy on this since it was a while back I read about this, but I found a quick article from 2019 as an overview (not the articles I read in the past though) http://https://www.livescience.com/why-trump-wants-to-buy-greenland.html

In my mind, buying Greenland would be akin to the Alaska Purchase, perhaps there’s just as much oil there? I know energy independence was a key goal for Trump and if there are indeed vast resources there, could be a viable venture

 

[FemMecha]

I don’t have the articles on hand to back up any claims but from what I recall when first hearing about this move is that Greenland is a large resource for natural minerals and could be a potential strategic play for its proximity to the Arctic region...a bit hazy on this since it was a while back I read about this, but I found a quick article from 2019 as an overview (not the articles I read in the past though) http://https://www.livescience.com/why-trump-wants-to-buy-greenland.html

In my mind, buying Greenland would be akin to the Alaska Purchase, perhaps there’s just as much oil there? I know energy independence was a key goal for Trump and if there are indeed vast resources there, could be a viable venture

That makes sense. I recently had a conversation with a family member whose spouse works as a coal miner who described those reasons to me. The place I first heard about it was watching this video which bothered me, and so my first thoughts were not focused on the business aspect of it.

Later on my own, I started to wonder if he would try to restart there because I also saw a lot of Trump supporters talking about leaving America if he lost. On social factors alone, I think a significant number of Americans might actually move there with him because I think there is that level of allegiance to him. Listening to his niece describe his psychology it made me wonder if such a move could still be considered an upward move to him because if there was a way to take it over, he could be in a leadership position of a smaller country, but have more control. It was mostly conjecture because I think there are too many complicating factors involved.

Edit: This is Miles Taylor former Department of Homeland Security Chief of Staff and "lifelong Republican"

 

[FemMecha]

^Actually, maybe that guy could run to be the Republican nominee for president next time? I don't know much about him, but he comes across as level headed with perspective.

 

[Jaguar]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumpworlds-insane-new-claim-mafia-rigged-the-vote-for-joe-biden

 

[theablekingedgar]

maybe communism COULD work if implemented teh way Marx intended.

 

[Lark]

maybe communism COULD work if implemented teh way Marx intended.

Marx was never that clear on that point. He was a better examiner of "capitalism, worts and all", or class struggles in historical time, than me was proponent of any alternative.

BTW "communism" in Marx's day meant "municipalism", he's from a largely pre-democratic, pre-republic age of steam.

Weber's counter that there where things that mattered to people way more than social class, especially during "normal" times, when he discovered the idea of "status" or "caste" matter too, as do Abbie Hoffman's ideas that intergenerational conflict could be the real change making conflict, or even C Wright Mill's stuff about power elites and military-industrial complexes.

Though in ever single critique, at best, the alternatives are just implied and not always explicit.

Anyway, on a careful reading there's more praise for capitalism in the communist manifesto than there actually is for socialists, socialism or communism.

 

[Dreamer]

That makes sense. I recently had a conversation with a family member whose spouse works as a coal miner who described those reasons to me. The place I first heard about it was watching this video which bothered me, and so my first thoughts were not focused on the business aspect of it.

Later on my own, I started to wonder if he would try to restart there because I also saw a lot of Trump supporters talking about leaving America if he lost. On social factors alone, I think a significant number of Americans might actually move there with him because I think there is that level of allegiance to him. Listening to his niece describe his psychology it made me wonder if such a move could still be considered an upward move to him because if there was a way to take it over, he could be in a leadership position of a smaller country, but have more control. It was mostly conjecture because I think there are too many complicating factors involved.

Edit: This is Miles Taylor former Department of Homeland Security Chief of Staff and "lifelong Republican"

Haha honestly, Trump leading a band of followers to Greenland like some MAGA cult wouldn’t be too far fetched for 2020. Could you imagine he open up a new Trump hotel there too?!

Joking aside (literally, it wouldn’t surprise me too much hah) it’s most likely just your run of the mill “I’m leaving the country if so and so gets into office”. I swear I’ve heard of these claims every election cycle by at least a few people around me IRL, and I know celebrities often make such comments as well. Eh, it’s just a weird cry for attention or something I don’t know.

 

[Coriolis]

Haha honestly, Trump leading a band of followers to Greenland like some MAGA cult wouldn’t be too far fetched for 2020. Could you imagine he open up a new Trump hotel there too?!

Joking aside (literally, it wouldn’t surprise me too much hah) it’s most likely just your run of the mill “I’m leaving the country if so and so gets into office”. I swear I’ve heard of these claims every election cycle by at least a few people around me IRL, and I know celebrities often make such comments as well. Eh, it’s just a weird cry for attention or something I don’t know.

I have far more regard for Greenland than that. Too bad we don't have an isolated penal island any longer, like Australia used to be. Then Trump could go there and play king of the hill all he wants.

 

[Red Herring]

Joking aside (literally, it wouldn’t surprise me too much hah) it’s most likely just your run of the mill “I’m leaving the country if so and so gets into office”. I swear I’ve heard of these claims every election cycle by at least a few people around me IRL, and I know celebrities often make such comments as well. Eh, it’s just a weird cry for attention or something I don’t know.

Yeah, I remember a forum member wanting to move to Switzerland over Obamacare. I guess at some point they must have found out though that Switzerland has an individual mandate. LOL.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Just something that youtube has thrown at me.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

McCain was a classy elder statesman

 

[FemMecha]

I have a bit of a fluid political perspective, which may be on the right track or not, but I tend to observe that during a crisis, you need more regulation and even distribution of resources. For example, if a hurricane destroys a city, it is constructive to have authority manage distribution of resources, make coordinated efforts for safety protocols, etc. When the natural environment has the most chaos, it is well balanced with intentional controls. In these environments the free market process takes hold of the imbalances, and you end up with people hoarding fresh water, and others pulling out their gold teeth to buy it.

Then, when the environment is stable, and resources are strong, too much control can create imbalances. In those environments, the natural process aspects of the free market can maintain balance.

In this way, my feeling is that right now it is good to have more democratic processes to manage this pandemic and the economic crashing that will happen. As society stabilizes, I could see it being good to have an intelligent, level-headed, reasoned person of character on the Right, a Republican candidate take office to systematically question and remove some of the controls put in place during this crisis phase.

I can appreciate people disagreeing with this position. I don't proclaim great political expertise - it's not my profession, but I tend to value flexible thinking that can adapt to different environments and to pull away from social, tribal dynamics that resist reason.

 

[Lark]

Yeah, I remember a forum member wanting to move to Switzerland over Obamacare. I guess at some point they must have found out though that Switzerland has an individual mandate. LOL.

Switzerland because they've probably heard something about Swiss bank accounts and thought it was some bastion of free market capitalism as they understand it.

Unfortunately, for them, its a pretty ass backwards understanding of any sort of society, capitalism included, that thinks it doesnt need medicine.

The magic markets fairy has been proven not to work when it comes to medicine.