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That last scene in Oppenheimer was beautiful, and tragic. It's part of a pattern. The montage at the end is reflecting what he's seeing or imagining inside his head.

It calls back to earlier in the movie when he's kept up imagining the hidden world. Except for the apple thing, which is perhaps foreshadowing, it seems idyllic, innocent to me. It's just someone trying to imagine the way the world is; there is no sense concern for application and what it could mean. This is what he's lost. This is something he can never go back to. I found that very sad. His mind can no longer show him wonder, but horror. And it's because of what he did.

Is the movie suggesting a Freudian explanation for all of this, though? People, I guess, still like Freud (even though psychiatry has moved on) because the implication is that we'd all be better if we weren't such prudes. I suppose this movie isn't because Oppenheimer is implied to be having sex lots of sex with lots of different partners and that didn't stop the bomb from being built.

I think the women in the movie were really complicated and interesting. Kitty is someone frustrated in her career ambitions and forced into a particular role. I was wondering at the end, given everything, was she going to turn? But she didn't. Tatlock seems attracted to Oppenheimer mentally but doesn't want to be an item. And yet, commits suicide because of his absence, it's implied. (I wonder how much the historical record supports this; it's pretty hard to imagine what makes someone commit suicide).

Oh, and give Murphy an Oscar for this. I've seen him in a lot of things and none of them were quite like this.
 
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That last scene in Oppenheimer was beautiful, and tragic. It's part of a pattern. The montage at the end is reflecting what he's seeing or imagining inside his head.

It calls back to earlier in the movie when he's kept up imagining the hidden world. Except for the apple thing, which is perhaps foreshadowing, it seems idyllic, innocent to me. It's just someone trying to imagine the way the world is; there is no sense concern for application and what it could mean. This is what he's lost. This is something he can never go back to. I found that very sad. His mind can no longer show him wonder, but horror. And it's because of what he did.

Is the movie suggesting a Freudian explanation for all of this, though? People, I guess, still like Freud (even though psychiatry has moved on) because the implication is that we'd all be better if we weren't such prudes. I suppose this movie isn't because Oppenheimer is implied to be having sex lots of sex with lots of different partners and that didn't stop the bomb from being built.

I think the women in the movie were really complicated and interesting. Kitty is someone frustrated in her career ambitions and forced into a particular role. I was wondering at the end, given everything, was she going to turn? But she didn't. Tatlock seems attracted to Oppenheimer mentally but doesn't want to be an item. And yet, commits suicide because of his absence, it's implied. (I wonder how much the historical record supports this; it's pretty hard to imagine what makes someone commit suicide).

Oh, and give Murphy an Oscar for this. I've seen him in a lot of things and none of them were quite like this.
My parents loved Oppenheimer and Cillian Murphy but won't watch Peaky Blinders.
 
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My parents loved Oppenheimer and Cillian Murphy but won't watch Peaky Blinders.
I haven't seen it. I kept thinking it was something like Carnival Row for some reason. But it seems more like Gangs of New York.
 

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Rewatched the last three Hunger Games films over the last two days. Michael Arndt actually polished the Catching Fire script and it shows. Francis Lawrence also adds to the action directing, something the first film was lacking.

Film Katniss is really a different iteration from the book Katniss, in that the latter is stoic and internalized, but in film you need to emote to convey information since you don't have a direct window into character heads. This is why Jennifer Lawrence was cast, she's great at this -- but it's just kind of odd sometimes to step back and see how externalized film Katniss is with her emotions whereas she's very difficult for other characters to read in the books. The character I keep thinking about is the girl from the True Grit remake (Hailee Steinfeld, her breakout role at age 13 and Oscar nominee) as more like the book Katniss, and how it worked in the film; but I think Mattie Ross was still very vocal, just not emotional, whereas book Katniss is very stoic and withdrawn.

But mostly I wanted to just comment that these films seem to really grapple with trauma and PTSD responses. It was really notable to me because I've been rewatching the RWBY american anime series and it also spends a lot of time on the impact of trauma -- mostly through Yang and Crow, although there's trauma being grappled with by Blake who is being stalked and both RWBY and Jaune from the loss/absence of people they loved and lost in terrible ways. Yang has actual physical responses to threats that remind her of a terrible incident she experienced, and it carries on for some reasons, whereas Crow essentially drinks himself to a stupor all the time to self-medicate (kind of like Haymitch from HG) although both are challenged to rise to the occasion by the younger generations and start recovery because they feel they both have a purpose beyond themselves. A whole season is spent on RWBY trying to figure out who she is in light of the loss of her mother, and Jaune's journey seems to linger just as long in terms of his feelings of unworth -- a few steps forward, a few steps back -- in being the one who's still around.

Especially the last Hunger Games film, we're left with the thought that Katniss and Peeta need a lot of space and time to dig their way out of the horrors they had to live through, and they are both able to support each other as survivors and find some solace in that. It's definitely a survivor's tale, but there's a lot of horrors along the way. the trauma plays out in how they interact with others and even what they perceive as reality. The last film (reflecting the book) digs into Peeta need external input to help him determine which things are real (aka what he needs to react to in order to survive and thrive) and what things are just his broken mind lying to him. There are still some things I wish they would have done differently, but I'm kind of impressed they managed to do these films fairly decently considering their blockbuster status -- considering all the YA films that tanked and/or were just convoluted messes with little emotional center.

This is probably my favorite Elizabeth Banks character. She tends to be solid but not exemplary in her performances and sometimes easily overlooked; but this was a case where the film character (Effie Trinket) was better than the book, and even endearing.
 

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This is a movie I'd see. I'm not sure if I want to see the Barbie movie. The description doesn't sound like it would appeal to me. I care about feminism, but I especially value people like Sinead O'Conner, Scully, and women who were smart and tough. Barbie is a complicated icon. It is true they have astronaut Barbie and so forth, but it's still Barbie. I had barbies and loved them and was really upset that I had bigger toes and wanted "pebble toes" like her when I was a toddler. I was rather upset about it too. I do think Barbie messes with your head in a lot of ways.
 
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This is a movie I'd see. I'm not sure if I want to see the Barbie movie. The description doesn't sound like it would appeal to me. I care about feminism, but I especially value people like Sinead O'Conner, Scully, and women who were smart and tough. Barbie is a complicated icon. It is true they have astronaut Barbie and so forth, but it's still Barbie. I had barbies and loved them and was really upset that I had bigger toes and wanted "pebble toes" like her when I was a toddler. I was rather upset about it too. I do think Barbie messes with your head in a lot of ways.
I see your point. I think a lot of things we see as kids mess with your head. It's easy to feel defective because of not measuring up to one standard presented or another. Because of the decade when I was a kid (90s), the thing that was pushed on me was "straightness" which was conflated with "masculinity" which meant a lot of things that were arbitrary. I'm just drawing a comparison here and not very interested in a discussion about who has it worse. I'm not sure I ever have been. I just have found that it's much better to talk about things I know.

Oh and I'm going to stand by what I said in another thread that no official Hot Wheels movie is going to top what the Wachowskis did. I didn't care about Speed Racer going in, but I found that this movie perfectly evokes and fully realizes what the experience of being a young kid playing with Hot Wheels like. It's positing a world where all the crazy tracks and such actually existed at human scale.

I don't even drive a car, but I have fond memories of playing with Hot Wheels. So I can see how the Barbie movie would be popular just because it was something so many people played with.

Also, that sucks about Sinead. I'm not very familiar with her music, but I admire her courage.
 
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Is the Oppenheimer movie suggesting Strauss was involved in the JFK assassination? He's the only one who voted against the Cabinet confirmation they named, even though there were two others. It jumped out and me and I made a joke about how "he [Strauss] did it."

Although it's probably more likely that JFK's the only one everyone would know, and that's why he's the only one mentioned.
 
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Is the Oppenheimer movie suggesting Strauss was involved in the JFK assassination? He's the only one who voted against the Cabinet confirmation they named, even though there were two others. It jumped out and me and I made a joke about how "he [Strauss] did it."

Although it's probably more likely that JFK's the only one everyone would know, and that's why he's the only one mentioned.
Probably more the case. I think 2-3 Republicans defected, and democrats Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy, and Humphrey (they would be prominent in the 60's) all opposed. Also, Johnson was the Majority Leader at the time.

I don't know if Strauss had enough social capital at that point to arrange a hit, lol. Way too toxic
 

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Interesting film crew stats.

 

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Watching Guardians 3 finally. Nathan Fillion is always a delight. Marvel is gonna miss James Gunn so damned hard. And DC is about to get good at movies finally.
 

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I have never actually hated a villain in a movie before now that wasnt based off a real life genocider.
 
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