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I really liked the animated Watchmen Chapter 1 that dropped this week on 4K bluray. (the second part will come out probably around Christmas?) It moves perhaps a little too briskly but I feel like it's pretty authentic to the book not just in the lines and scenes, but has its own flow that works on the screen and it "feels" right. Maybe the voice acting could have been directed a bit better to really wring out all the emotion, but it still lands. It even includes the Black Freighter side story.

One thing I like is that it's even more clear why Laurie falls for Dan, it's like they're both the people who want a "normal" life even if they kind of miss being superheroes on some level. But they always were the "everyman" characters of the story.

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I'm not sure I like Rorshach going all "Batman" cliche voice, but then again what was he supposed to sound like? In the book, you don't necessarily "hear" the voices of the characters as voices, they are distinct personalities, but in a film you now have the audible quotient. Obviously Rorshach IS the counterpart of Batman in Moore's world, with his sleuthing and particular physical skill set and how he terrorizes the underworld. (That's a great scene realized here, by the way -- when Rorshach walks into the dive bar and everyone stops talking, pulls back, and the bartender almost begs him to leave and they don't want trouble. They're all terrified of him. (And then he proceeds to do this thing with that guy's hand who makes the mistake of cracking a joke about him.) It's fun to watch his facial patterns change in real time.

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They did a lot of the scenes decently, like when the Comedian tells Ozymandias none of the superhero antics matter because the nukes are gonna fly and he'll be the "smartest man on the cinder." It's an important moment.

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They did the Dr. Manhattan backstory in this first half. The second half they'll include the bit with Rorshach's back story. Since it is animated, they are going to go full comic in terms of the endgame (rather than Snyder's alterations) -- I noticed a "missing" sign up for Max whassisname, the writer. So that should be pretty cool.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the second half.

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EDIT: So there are things that are oddly weird or funny nowadays since this was written in happen in the 80's and reflects different time periods from the '40-80's. But nowadays we're 40 years past that.

For example, Rorshach fires his grappling hook to Blake's apartment just like in the book, and climbs right up the wall. This seems ludicrous nowadays when you think about it -- along with "Why didn't they board up the shattered window that is the scene of a police investigation??" SO that's odd from the book AND from this adaptation. Or like how the police leave the Smiley button with blood on it lying in the gutter (so Rorshach can get it), when they should have collected it as evidence. The only thing that balances this is that the detectives talk about not really wanting to investigate this case and letting it draft away.
I always figured Roshach got his gravely smoky voice by smoking cigarettes and screaming into the night, where as Im pretty sure Batman developed his voice during improv in college. Im excited about this one too. Watchmen is one of those im invested in, its such a cool read
 

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I always figured Roshach got his gravely smoky voice by smoking cigarettes and screaming into the night, where as Im pretty sure Batman developed his voice during improv in college. Im excited about this one too. Watchmen is one of those im invested in, its such a cool read
Yeah, the book is very unique in how the panel positions and art plays against the text. They tried to translate that same feel to the screen, it just shifts shape a bit because it's a different medium. But the scene transitions work well and they can play around like when Dr. M is seeing multiple images of himself in different time periods. it conveys how he is infinitely layered in time.

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Something I always found amusing about Watchmen is how, because superheroes became a real thing, superhero comic books never really took off, and pirate comic books took their place. I would imagine that at our time in this universe the box office has been dominated by pirate movies for the past decade or so.
 
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Something I always found amusing about Watchmen is how, because superheroes became a real thing, superhero comic books never really took off, and pirate comic books took their place. I'm would imagine that at our time in this universe the box office hasn't been dominated by pirate movies for the past decade or so.
That's a pretty funny observation, it never really crossed my mind before.

"i AM the pirate king!"

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Zoe Saldana was in the first POTC movie, too, so she should definitely make some kind of appearance.
I totally didn't realize that. Probably because when I saw it, she was a no-name. I think playing Uhura in Star Trek (Kelvin) was her first real break into mainsteam, and then with Gamora she really took off although she was Neytiri in Avatar too (it's just she didn't look like herself there).
 

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Zoe Saldana was in the first POTC movie, too, so she should definitely make some kind of appearance.
It was the first time I really noticed her, and I was stoked. I thought we were gonna get to have a bad ass hot lady pirate rounding out the crew and being the main focus rather than Lizzy and the Swans. You're right, they should bring her back, give her a ship and a crew(with Mr Gibbs as the quartermaster) Mr Coddle and his Parrot, Penelope Cruz pirate could be the weapons officer or first mate.
 

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So there's gonna be a female version of Fight Club...

I have questions.

Does this feel like needless corporate cash grabs by popular culture looking to wring just a little bit more money out of you, by adding a *For Girls* to the end of the title? I mean, personally I think Fight Clubs are technically for everyone, but the original book there was all this subtext about masculine identity and repressed sexuality, and looking for one's place in the world when you didnt fit, and were definitely not ok. Im really curious about how they're going to frame this movie, because I can definitely see a few ways to make this a great film and bring audiences together...plus I want an emo boy version of Marla come to think of it... But... I kinda have a bad feeling about this one depending on how they market and made it. This could be great. I just really hope the directors, cast, and producers actually put the work in to make a real movie and tell a real story and not just a political allegory to antagonize the fan base or ridicule the audience. I cannot express how I long for this new cycle of rage bait cinema to go away like 3-d did.
 

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It's still unclear whether a Gerwig female "Fight Club" film is fake news or the real deal. I haven't seen conclusive evidence yet, but will keep looking to see.
 
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It was the first time I really noticed her, and I was stoked. I thought we were gonna get to have a bad ass hot lady pirate rounding out the crew and being the main focus rather than Lizzy and the Swans. You're right, they should bring her back, give her a ship and a crew(with Mr Gibbs as the quartermaster) Mr Coddle and his Parrot, Penelope Cruz pirate could be the weapons officer or first mate.
Yeah, not going to lie, I think I was taken with her, which is probably how I knew that she was in the movie. I must have looked it up on IMDB after seeing the movie, and noticed years later that it was in fact the same person was also in Star Trek and Guardians of the Galaxy.

I'm also reminded of Naomie Harris, who played Moneypenny in the Craig films as well as appearing in 28 Days Later. I recognized her from this BBC import I watched as a kid called The Tomorrow People (this would be the 90s version, there are other incarnations). The Tomorrow People was kind of like Dr. Who meets the X-Men.

The Tomorrow People also had an American played by a Canadian who showed up on both Goosebumps and Are You Afraid Of the Dark (like Ryan Gosling!) as well as Battlestar Galactica. I'm glad he survived his encounter with Zeebo the Clown.
 
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Kathleen Kennedy's most glorious addition to the Star Wars franchise:
The movie version of Congo was such a far cray from the book and yet the general plot stayed in tact.

What I loved about the book, was, it was written like a true story. I believed it. Peter Elliot really exists. That was so cool to kid me. Also the book includes all the medical science and real world scenarios. But the descriptions of the lost city, the jungle, the gorillas and the mystery and danger of it, so great.
 

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Green Screen should not be the default
It makes sense for movies like the hobbit and LOTR
but practical effects should always be the preference.
They look better, the actors get to be on set with other actors, people get to interact with real things, everyone doesnt have to be covered in ping pong balls.
Technology is cool, but it will never replace the tactile sensibility of practical effects.​
 

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Yeah, I can understand they like to be able to have total control over backdrop, etc -- but then you'd better have a director who can actually direct the emotional performances and actors who can operate in that environment. Some just can't and it shows. It also might not be worth the cost for that level of control, if the box office return cannot justify it.
 
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I never had a problem with Willy Wonka as a kid. Even the boat ride was fine, if a little gross. I found it amusing actually, because the whole thing seemed so random and out of left field. Then there's the way Veruca goes "Nevermind Daddy I don't want a boat like this," which I think I found funny.

On the other hand, I have never seen Beetlejuice in its entirety because the movie scared me too much as a kid. I suppose I should remedy this and watch it sometime soon.

I also couldn't believe that Beetlejuice and Batman were the same person.
 
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Netflix has Madame Web. They told me that it's "exciting." They wouldn't lie, would they?
 

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As the video says, make a good product and it can be as diverse as anyone could like.

I'll never understand the concept of to elevate one, another must be put down. I get the feeling thats one of those knee jerk over corrections humans are known for. The good intentions that lead straight to hell. Before the internet, people typically had to sit with their opinions for a few minutes before they could just jabber them out to everyone in the world as soon as they had them. So now everything is an argument. a conversation is a thing with a winner and losers now, and its, costing us in innumerable ways. I think there is a part of hollywood, who has latched onto the marketing is war philosophy that turns interviews from promotional snippets, to slaps in the face before throwing down the gauntlet. Daring would be audiences to 'go on, pick it up mother fucker, I dare you, I double dare you, I triple double dog dare you to see this movie, and I dont give a shit if you like it or not, because if you dont like it your small and weak and fucking stupid and nobody wants to fuck you and you'll die alone and unmourned and un loved, but if you're not a scummy loser, you'll love this movie, and I cant wait for you to be excited or else.' ^_^

The idea that people will feel challenged to see it, and when they do and dont really like it, they have to deal with the show runners putting out more marketing saying that only fiends and terrorists are trash talking the movie, and if they dont knock it off, well they may just have to stop releasing any content all together, and they "cancel" a bunch of shit that was never going to get made, because it was all an over promise they cant afford because they've forgotten what makes a movie or a show work, and are trying to put all the money that should be going to writing into marketing. So here we all are, just wanting some good stories on our screens, and what we're getting is antagonizing lectures lacquered over shoddy story telling, sub optimal fx, wooden performances from actors because the characters that they're portraying are still essentially just flat cardboard cut outs of one dimensional inserts into an intellectual property that isnt being managed only milked.

My theory is they know they don't know what they're doing when it comes to storytelling, and to try to cover that up, they're purposely trying to generate negative buzz for their own products, so that when they fail, they can claim its not their fault the mob is just fickle. They take their money and run onto the next property to milk and the cycle repeats. They know that they're in a "family industry" so they're constantly going to get an influx of audience who doesnt know any better, and most working families are too busy to educate their children on entertainment media throughout the ages, they assume, for the most part correctly, that they're gonna be able to repeat the cycle forever if people don't make a big enough stink.

But man there was a long enough time, where quality movies and shows got made, and many of them were diverse, inclusive, and carried a profound and challenging message, but the point was to entertain and enlighten, not outrage to cover their poor creative choices.

And also wth this "Live action" movie for not casting real little people. dont piss down our necks and try to tell us its rainin. You're telling me Warwick Davis wouldnt make an excellent Doc? You're expecting me to believe that no one thought Peter Dinklidge would make a charismatic twist on Grumpy? Tony Cox would make a fantastic happy, always cracking jokes in the mine, Danny Woodburn cant be Sneezy? Jordan Prentice can't be sleepy for an hour and a half? Martin Klebba not bald and blue eyed enough to play dopey? Come on. I mean you could even make Bashful Merideth Eaton, why do all the dwarves gotta be men, right? >_>

Write good stories, stop using antagonizing marketing, and don't put anyone down but rather lift everyone up. Then you'll get your box office returns. then youll get your good fan reviews. It's not rocket science.
 

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I never had a problem with Willy Wonka as a kid. Even the boat ride was fine, if a little gross. I found it amusing actually, because the whole thing seemed so random and out of left field. Then there's the way Veruca goes "Nevermind Daddy I don't want a boat like this," which I think I found funny.
Ba-DUM dum!

Yeah, it's a good line considering how she is demanding everything else on the tour.
On the other hand, I have never seen Beetlejuice in its entirety because the movie scared me too much as a kid. I suppose I should remedy this and watch it sometime soon.
I found it more funny than not. Michael Keaton is pretty hilarious with his level of obnoxiousness.
 

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As the video says, make a good product and it can be as diverse as anyone could like.​

I'll never understand the concept of to elevate one, another must be put down. I get the feeling thats one of those knee jerk over corrections humans are known for. The good intentions that lead straight to hell. Before the internet, people typically had to sit with their opinions for a few minutes before they could just jabber them out to everyone in the world as soon as they had them.
It's one of the most terrible things about the Internet. Sure, everyone can talk -- but sure now you can't make head nor tail of what actually makes sense or separate educated opinions directly from inane ones unless you've already got some skills that way. The Internet is mostly shit now, and also can actively be used as a propaganda tool in any which way. Like, it's nice Joe the Schmuck from down the street can rant about his opinion about something, but did the world actually need his fucking opinion? Everything is noise.

Which contributes to the level of exhaustion among our society today, as well as our inability to focus. All the noise, all the sound, all the input, and much of it is worthless, tied to globalization of information which also greatly increases the magnitude of the input coming to our eyes and ears. It's not manageable, and unless a person manages it / screens it / isolates themselves from the firehouse, it quickly overstimulates you and wears you out.

Will Snow White be a worse movie than The Little Mermaid? The TLM remake wasn't bad, but it wasn't great enough to justify its own existence either. I'm not really expecting much from Snow White either, casting be damned. The quality was likely never to be that great, and meanwhile it's all just being used as touchpoints in a cultural war by sides that might not even like the movie on its own terms anyway.

I will also say that Disney (while painted as a big supporter of the non-white male perspective) doesn't really even do great with that. They kind of wuss out on LBGT stuff in their films, watering everything down so that it's meaningless, so they can have their cake and eat it too, except no one wants to eat it because it's bland and non-committed to any particular flavor. Occasionally they will do something that captures a cultural perspective (Encanto, for example -- I didn't really care for the story much, but it did have a cultural anchor in how the story was told; and even Elemental had a touchpoint in terms of the 1900's immigrant experience), but other times it was just absolutely shit, like when they made Pocahontas and probably that Brother Bear film that I barely can remember anything about.
 
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