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Random Movie Thoughts Thread

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Alright. I get it. The Superhero movie trend is coming to a close and no one is really sure what's coming in its place, but before the Superhero fad dies, can we at least get a sequel to The Batman? Don't think I've ever simultaneously loved and hated a film like I did The Batman -- it did so many things so well, yet at the last second completely ruined the scene by doing something really goofy.

I loved the story of the film. This reimagining of the Riddler as less of a flamboyant mastermind who sought to challenge Batman in a mental capacity through riddles and puzzles, into a character who is a bit of a kindred spirit to Bruce Wayne but didn't have the luxury of fame and wealth and therefore grew resentful of Gotham's elites, was great. Paul Dano knocked it completely out of the park.

All my gripes about this film are mostly little nit-picky things that stood out to me and irked me.

Exhibit A:

Now I think OVERALL this is a really cool introduction to the Batman character in this universe. The scene's lighting and music really sets the stage. Yet, what irks the shit out of me: Where's the theatrics here? Why is Batman just walking down the stairs slowly like he's waiting for the L-train? What would've been really cool as instead of the footsteps you hear slowly descending, you hear the same sound and all the thugs have their attention to the stairs, and at the last second, as it gets closer, it's actually a dropping smoke grenade and the entire room is filled with smoke and The Batman appears and starts punching people.

Also, when he goes through the series of punches on the one dude, who is he like punching with the side of his fist like his dad just told him the only way to stop a bully is to fight him back, and he's having his first physical alteration with someone on film -- the fight choreography on this is horrendous. He punches the guy two more times one he's taken him down to the ground in what looks like the worst punching technique in history. He looks physically exhausted after that.

Exhibit B:

OK. This is EASILY one of the coolest films in a comic book movie, like ever. This is so goddamn good. Like throughout the whole chase scene, especially when they show it from the Penguin's POV when he thinks he's actually evaded Batman, only for him to emerge from the flames, the sense of fear from his character's POV is conveyed masterfully. You know what irks me about this scene, though? You have this beautifully executed scene where you're seeing the scene from Penguin's upside down POV, trapped in the car, and you have this backdrop of flames and you see the Batman slowly walking toward Penguin's wrecked car. This whole scene is genius. The fear of the slowly walking Batman edging closer and closer is palatable. The slow Batman theme playing in the background sets the stage. And you know what irks me to no end? WHY DO WE NEED TO SEE BATMAN LOOKING DOWN UNDERNEATH THE CAR, WITH POUTY LIPS, LIKE HIM AND HIS BROTHER ARE PLAYING HIDE AND GO SEEK?? Seriously, it throws me completely off. Since when is Derrick Zoolander the goddamn Batman. AGHHHHHHH

Also his Batman suit was terrible and I hate it. Other than that, awesome film.
 

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Dark days ahead thanks to the shit mega companies. For example:

There has been a disturbing trend when it comes to Disney and their push to make physical media go obsolete. This comes as Best Buy recently announced that they would stop selling physical media in their stores.

As you know, a few years ago, Disney purchased Fox. They now own the distribution arm as well. This means they also ended up owning, among others, indie film distributor Fox Searchlight, which they plainly renamed Searchlight.
Now comes the news that the latest Searchlight film, Andrew Haigh’s “All of Us Strangers,” will not be released on physical media. In recent years, there have been a handful of other titles given the same fate as ‘Strangers.’

An example, Searchlight’s “Barbarian,” an indie horror film that was made for $4.5 million and grossed $45 million, garnered great reviews and has developed a major cult following. In early 2023, Disney/Searchlight sent a press release with a digital release date, but there was no mention of a physical release. Based on my own experiences, these types of press releases almost always give you digital AND physical dates. Not with “Barbarian.”

Its been almost two years since the theatrical release of “Barbarian” and still not a word about a blu-ray disc release. Have we finally reached the point where we need to accept the fact that we might not be getting all the movies we want on physical media? Collectors, you’ve been warned...

However, I will survive CODA not getting a physical release. It wasn't a terrible film, but more of a Best of Lifetime Channel selection.
 

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So having rewatched MCU Infinity War in the last 24 hours, basically it is what it is. I understand why Scorsese and other directors who do more complex and drama-driven pieces find superhero films a bit shallow, although I view it more as "genre differences." MCU are shallow in some ways when you compare to true dramatic films, but they are not devoid of depth in their own way; they are running in their own track and do what they do in that track exceedingly well.

But viewing this in terms of why Disney-Marvel is failing nowadays repeatedly (and DC too, honestly), compared to Phases 1-3 (and I think the last two Avengers films were among the top 5-6 MCU films):
  1. Focus on efficient plotting that evokes threat/tension and also is quickly understandable
  2. Strongly defined characters (a benefit of them all being explored in other MCU films, so this movie just references all those other films)
  3. Humor -- but not random, almost all of the humor beats are used to exemplify/define/revisit character
I'll put the rest in spoiler since MCU has mostly been talked to death...

 
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Alright. I get it. The Superhero movie trend is coming to a close and no one is really sure what's coming in its place, but before the Superhero fad dies, can we at least get a sequel to The Batman? Don't think I've ever simultaneously loved and hated a film like I did The Batman -- it did so many things so well, yet at the last second completely ruined the scene by doing something really goofy.

I loved the story of the film. This reimagining of the Riddler as less of a flamboyant mastermind who sought to challenge Batman in a mental capacity through riddles and puzzles, into a character who is a bit of a kindred spirit to Bruce Wayne but didn't have the luxury of fame and wealth and therefore grew resentful of Gotham's elites, was great. Paul Dano knocked it completely out of the park.

All my gripes about this film are mostly little nit-picky things that stood out to me and irked me.

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Also his Batman suit was terrible and I hate it. Other than that, awesome film.

My thoughts about the film I guess were here:

Yeah, not everything stuck. I'm having trouble recalling the details now, but yeah that chase with Penguin and the presentation of The Riddler were highlights. I guess I'm used to having most films drop the ball in some regard and I'm stuck with what I've got. (Kinda like the original "Highlander" film -- so much of the film is fun and enjoyable, but I really hate the ending in how it's written, or the demons that come screaming out of him, or some of the cheese moments. I'm concerned that the remake might have cool sword fighting but otherwise be somewhat unmemorable and unquotable.)
 

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Still having cringe moments on this. Ridley Scott just has too much variability in his output, the story itself seems like it's just capitalizing off another story that clearly ended, and it's hard to tell whether this would be any good. Paul Mescal is a serious actor, I'll give it that much; but a lot will hinge on the story and the script honestly. Can this film exist on its own and feel like a story worth telling?
 
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Also his Batman suit was terrible and I hate it. Other than that, awesome film.

The two things I didn't care for in this movie were the fact that they had to "introduce" the Joker at the end (pointless and unnecessary; were they worried everyone was going to freak out if they didn't allude to him?), and the fact that this version of the Joker came off as an off-band copy of Ledger's with more "local color" (whatever that means for a city which has been either New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, or Pittsburgh). It seemed to me that the Joker in this did have an accent; but I don't remember what it was. Whatever it was, it wasn't working for me.

Something I loved about this movie is that the aesthetic is a cross between the Gotham of Nolan's and Burton's films and it works well, establishing the perfect tone. Something I didn't like about Nolan's movies (which I otherwise thought were great) was that they were often aesthetically a little boring. I missed the Gothic-Creepy Art Deco-Metropolis look. I don't think it's so terrible if you do a fanciful exaggerated Gotham that could have emerged out of a comic book, as long as you don't take it as far as Schumacher took it. The way The Batman looked was the way I would have liked the Nolan movies to look.

Now I'm going to drone on about something regarding this movie that nobody will care about: the appearance of the James R. Thompson Center for the film's climax. It's not actually a stadium/arena (but the Dark Knight passed off an administration building for a candy company as a hospital, so this is nothing new), but a mall that also has government offices, as bizarre as that sounds. I happen to think it's gorgeous; in part because of that gigantic glass roof that makes the building very expensive to heat and cool. Google bought this building in 2022, which will be performing renovations that probably include removing or changing the glass roof (because of the cost issues). This means that this movie highlights a building in its final scenes that may as well not exist in the next few years. I find that fascinating.
 

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This Joker is gonna look like a guy dropped in a bunch of toxic chemicals. He's gonna be a melty body horror Joker. This is g the franchise that I can see trying to do something with clayface.
 
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This Joker is gonna look like a guy dropped in a bunch of toxic chemicals. He's gonna be a melty body horror Joker. This is g the franchise that I can see trying to do something with clayface.
As you may have already guessed, I think they should bring back King Tut.
 

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Also, @Stigmata I'll never be able to unsee the Hide-and-Go-Seek game between the Batman and the Penguin now that it's been pointed out to me.
It's just so unnecessary for him to actually look down, which is what bothers me so much. Like the initial scene where you're seeing batman walking towards Penguin to the fire backdrop is perfect, but they should have end that scene with Penguin looking terrified as he knows batman is approaching.

Seriously though, why the pouty lips with that strange expression on his face as he looks underneath the car -- I just don't get it.
 

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That interview also references a Michael Ironside interview that includes a crazy anecdote from Highlander II shooting.

 
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Buckle up, peeps-- here it all comes!

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Every trailer or clip of this I've seen looks terrible. All of these Sony movies featuring C-Tier Spiderman characters look awful. It seems like most of the female leads can't act? I haven't watched any movies featuring those actresses, but the trailer has the blonde with glasses delivering a line in a way that seems particularly cringeworthy. There's also a hilarious line reading by Dakota Johnson about how her mother died while studying spiders; there's a casualness to it this ridiculous. "Oh yeah, my mom doing that typical Mom thing of studying spiders and then died or something"

Morbious looked tedious as hell, and we've seen so many "good vampires" in recent years the concept isn't fresh. I am also weirded out by Jared Leto, and I expect the other shoe to drop any day now.

Kraven looks like the worst of them, filled with all the worn-out cliches you get in lame movies about antiheroes. He learns everything he needed from his father, who was an asshole but also taught him everything he needed to survive, blah, blah blah.

I know Venom isn't a C-list character, but those are also part of Sony's Spiderman-less Spiderman Cinematic Universe, are they not? I caught a bit of the second one not that long ago, and while I wouldn't say it was high art, it at least seemed like goofy fun. I think these other movies could use that.

I think this cinematic universe is technically part of the MCU but it essentially makes no difference; I'm sure Disney isn't going to let Peter Parker start running around in these things. Was this part of the deal for the MCU to use Spider-man, that they would be allowed to use these other characters nobody cares about? If so, terrible deal on the part of Sony. The Tobey McGuire films were the first films with Marvel superheros to be successful ( unless you count Blade, but I don't see him as a superhero). Giving that up to make shit like Kraven was a terrible idea.
 
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I think it was the script and story and direction, because Dakota Johnson actually can act (she was great in Suspiria, and in fact with this film she is often credited as one of the few good things), and I know Sydney Sweeney is in it and she's a decent actress as well. I don't know the others.

Yeah, I just saw the Kraven red band trailer and was laughing over it and sent it to my son who also thought it was shit. I also did see Morbius - that was pretty lousy too.

Aside from a few of the Spiderman movies, Sony has a really bad track record and kinda deep-sixed the Andrew Garfield run. They have such a bad rep. Venom 1, I actually enjoyed taking it for what it was even though it wasn't memorable; Tom Hardy is just a joy to watch. I did not see the second one. Sony end credit sequences are just the worst.

It just makes you wonder how Sony picks directors and writers for their comic book films and greenlights them. It's like they don't know anything about how to tell stories that people will care about. I don't recall anything good except for the first two Raimi films, and Marc Webb did his best (he also did 500 Days of Summer, which might be what got him the Garfield spiderman gig) but Sony undermined him from what I thought, by trying to cram way too much into the second film against its best interests, because they wanted to rush to catch up with MCU.
 

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I guess that was a response to the very first post in this 2,895-post monstrosity of a thread...!
 

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Definitely a human thing to do. A normal human thing. That's why we're all here. Yep.
 
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I watched a video about Madame Webb, and apparently, there is this scene between the villain Ezekiel and Madame Webb:

Ezekiel: How do you know all this?
Madame Webb: I looked it up on the web.


Wow. I'm sure it's analogous to the Wicker Man remake, though, where you have to sit through one and a half hours of tedium before you get to the good stuff (i.e. Nicolas Cage going on a rampage in a bear suit).
 

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I watched a video about Madame Webb, and apparently, there is this scene between the villain Ezekiel and Madame Webb:

Ezekiel: How do you know all this?
Madame Webb: I looked it up on the web.


Wow. I'm sure it's analogous to the Wicker Man remake, though, where you have to sit through one and a half hours of tedium before you get to the good stuff (i.e. Nicolas Cage going on a rampage in a bear suit).
People apologized to Morbius.
 

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That boy tried so hard to convince us what Donal Logue seemed to do so effortlessly.
 
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