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I remember the theme song for The Neverending Story being a big deal when I was in high school but I never really cared to watch the film even when it was out on VHS for home viewing. I didn't see it until August 2020 or so, and it was rather underwhelming.... but honestly the whole state of fantasy films in the US in general in the 80's was underwhelming -- the only thing carrying most of them is just nostalgia nowadays.I remember the girl actress and the whole bit with Atreyu and his horse, but the ending was pretty meh. I picked up a copy of the book, I should read that now that I'm not currently in the middle of any reads.
 

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I remember the theme song for The Neverending Story being a big deal when I was in high school but I never really cared to watch the film even when it was out on VHS for home viewing. I didn't see it until August 2020 or so, and it was rather underwhelming.... but honestly the whole state of fantasy films in the US in general in the 80's was underwhelming -- the only thing carrying most of them is just nostalgia nowadays.I remember the girl actress and the whole bit with Atreyu and his horse, but the ending was pretty meh. I picked up a copy of the book, I should read that now that I'm not currently in the middle of any reads.
I enjoy the movie for the visual effects and the scenery but i cant help but just rip it apart with MST3K commentary in my head. I feel like Ive got those puppets from Fun and Fancy Free watching the movie in my subconscious with me.
 

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I am very familiar with Fire and Ice, having seen it a number of times while younger. I can concede some points in the documentary in that this was not atypical for Frazetta's artwork and that he was also active from what, the 40's through the 80's or so (maybe a bit beyond, but I'd call the 60-70's his heyday as an artist) so he wasn't really doing much other than mirroring the times. Also, Bakshi despite his ventures into fantasy (like Wizards and Lord of the Rings) was also know for animated films with sexual content and films that explored racial themes -- I'm not very familiar with them other than reading some synopsis, it was just

I mean, I'll just be upfront and state my points: (1) Princess Tigra is highly sexualized (ridiculously so, it's almost absurdism or satire) and (2) the portrayal of the natives is definitely problematic, even if more complex than the obvious.

Tigra herself is independent and/or tries to get away, etc., and the voice acting is strong, so that's a plus; but there's so many crazy shots in this film that just are meant to ogle her body, which is functionally naked. ALso remember that this film heavily features rotoscoping, which Bakshi was really exploring (he used it in LotR) where they would film scenes and trace the cels in animation, so I assume they shot all this with a live actress to trace with.

Everything is visually color-coded for sure, to help identify where people are from when you're not familiar with the backstory, so it is in part a convenience. Nekron and Mommie Scariest (talk about a Psycho symbiosis) are pale white and/or grey (I can't really tell), the Firelands folks are reddish-brown, I think Tigra actually looks more white/peach rather than reddish brown like her male relatives, I think the jungle witch and her dull-witted giant servant are also the peach of Tigra, our male hero (mainly the guy who gets the girl, because he's competent physically but not like a superhero) is a healthy bronze tan with blonde hair, Darkwolf speaks like an American but is darker reddish-brown, and then the slaves and chattel are all brown-black and portrayed very much like the superstitious African natives trope. Nekron's mother constantly refers to them as "the dogs" and less than human, and they are just cannon fodder and portrayed as in thrall to her and they die in the scores and hundreds as obstacles in the final fight sequence and also in the beginning of the film as part of the invading army.

From Frazetta, I don't read as much into it -- like I said, he was playing more with appearance and tropes and the symbols of the time period that were still in vogue. Bakshi I'd be harder on because he was always trying to do things that challenged status quo and considered himself enlightened, but I feel like he kinda misfired on this because he was always trying to include subtext supposedly in his films. So what is the subtext here? Again, it almost rises to the point of absurdity and satire how the darkest skinned people of this film are literally treated as highly superstitious animals with less mental capability and referred to as "dogs". You won't see a movie like this get released again by any known studio because it's not a hill anyone wants to risk losing millions of dollars and reputation on.

Yes, Darkwolf is arguably the hero of the film (he's like a cross between Batman and Conan and Wolverine) and functions as the mysterious cowboy/vigilante who wanders into town to save the day before heading off again on his own personal mission; he's the one who saves the day while the blonde kid saves the girl. Darkwolf is formidable, and he might be the darkest-skinned person in the film who is not a native. But I don't feel like he is demeaned in the ways the natives are. I'm not even sure whether Bakshi was trying to say anything with this or whether it was simply an artistic convention -- Darkwolf, make him dark and he looks cooler with darker skin, etc. Darkwolf communicates intelligently and even philosophically (his first words in the film are, "Don't hunt for death, boy -- it finds us all soon enough"), the natives talk mostly through grunts and broken English. His darker skin is overlooked because he's lumped with the other races with good English.
 

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That song was used for the American market. For the German market they used an instrumental theme by Klaus Doldinger (a jazz musician famous in these parts for composing the theme of one of the most successful and long running tv shows in the country):


It sets quite a different mood compared to the American version. They also used a black background for the German version and added clouds for the American one. And they cut a little over 6 minutes out of the American version to make it more fastpaced.
 

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Well I'm definitely getting really interested in this film.

I'm considering going to see it today or tomorrow. I read the book so of course there will be discrepancies but, I'm very interested in seeing Lily Gladstone in this role. I don't know why people bitch about the running time of Scorsese films - just wait for it to come on Apple TV then.
 

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I'm considering going to see it today or tomorrow. I read the book so of course there will be discrepancies but, I'm very interested in seeing Lily Gladstone in this role. I don't know why people bitch about the running time of Scorsese films - just wait for it to come on Apple TV then.
just goes to show how far the attention span has wandered and fallen since the departed.
 

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Half of it, they're just psyching themselves out. Frankly it's probably the same crew that spent 3 hrs watching Endgame in theaters (so they ignored it then) and binge-watches 5 hours of a TV show at home -- it's just when you're in a theater, you can't get up and pause the film. Also, maybe they don't want to eat a bunch of salty food and drink 48 oz sodas in a 3.5 hour film if they don't want to have to get up?

I don't mind long films, and heck I watched all of ZSJL without a hitch -- it depends on the pacing internal to the films. There are 2 hour films that feel like 4 hours, but if a film is paced well and interesting, a 4 hour film could feel like 2.
 

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Half of it, they're just psyching themselves out. Frankly it's probably the same crew that spent 3 hrs watching Endgame in theaters (so they ignored it then) and binge-watches 5 hours of a TV show at home -- it's just when you're in a theater, you can't get up and pause the film. Also, maybe they don't want to eat a bunch of salty food and drink 48 oz sodas in a 3.5 hour film if they don't want to have to get up?

I don't mind long films, and heck I watched all of ZSJL without a hitch -- it depends on the pacing internal to the films. There are 2 hour films that feel like 4 hours, but if a film is paced well and interesting, a 4 hour film could feel like 2.
just think we're closer than we've ever been before to luxury toilet theater dining experiences. Might actually be worth the price of concessions. Which is a weird term for snacks, but the tone is appropriate for the experience. I cant imagine what we had to give up for those concessions at that stand.
 
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So Five Nights at Freddy's is what if Chuck E. Cheese was more like, well, Chucky? Intrigued that this was apparently a wildly popular video game. Those animatronics in places like that are creepy.
 
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That song was used for the American market. For the German market they used an instrumental theme by Klaus Doldinger (a jazz musician famous in these parts for composing the theme of one of the most successful and long running tv shows in the country):


It sets quite a different mood compared to the American version. They also used a black background for the German version and added clouds for the American one. And they cut a little over 6 minutes out of the American version to make it more fastpaced.
I am curious; I've never seen this footage. I've heard that things were cut although I don't know what it was.

I have read the book and I see what the author meant by the point being changed. The movie just makes it seem like all his problems are magically solved because he saved Fantasia and he has a dragon to terrify bullies with. There is a lot of stuff in the later half of his book about him trying to come to terms with his mother's death, (which is mentioned in the movie but never ends up being relevant). At the end, he has to learn to reconnect with his father who is also suffering from grief.

The second movie is only based on the second half of the book in the way that the Lawnmower Man is based upon a story by Stephen King.

As for the third movie with Jack Black as a bully, avoid at all costs. (I'm not even anti-Jack Black and he's not the worst thing about that movie, it's more that he's the only thing about it worth mentioning.)

I remember the theme song for The Neverending Story being a big deal when I was in high school but I never really cared to watch the film even when it was out on VHS for home viewing. I didn't see it until August 2020 or so, and it was rather underwhelming.... but honestly the whole state of fantasy films in the US in general in the 80's was underwhelming -- the only thing carrying most of them is just nostalgia nowadays.I remember the girl actress and the whole bit with Atreyu and his horse, but the ending was pretty meh. I picked up a copy of the book, I should read that now that I'm not currently in the middle of any reads.

It's been a while since I've seen the movie. Perhaps it doesn't hold up. I will maintain two things:

  1. I think the song slaps and I'd consider it a good example of those overly earnest synth ballads from that decade.
  2. Whether it's the swamp of sadness, Falkor , or that giant turtle who comes in handy when joking about Mitch McConnell, this movie is great for memes.
Regarding 80's fantasy as a whole, I'm inclined to agree with you. Every film I've watched, except Excalibur, as an adult has been, at best, ok. I think there's kind of a flatness to them; they mostly lack anything surprising or unexpected. Everything about them goes about the way you expect. To their credit, they don't seem to blatantly rip off of Lord of the Rings unlike a certain book I need to write a review of.

Excalibur I think is the one exception to this, and I think this has a lot to do with John Boorman. This is sort of his second stab at it after his attempt to do Lord of the Rings with the Beatles fell apart (this isn't a joke). Probably there were drugs involved, but regardless, I think there were the proper stew of elements involved to be interesting. You can say what you want about his films, but he doesn't really make boring ones.
 
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So no spoilers but this movie will win a glut of Oscars. It was fantastic and not just the acting. I read the book and I chalked it up to yet another near erasure from history by the state of Oklahoma (Tulsa massacre, segregation and lynching..) but it was really far more than that. I truly hope Lili Gladstone is recognized especially for this role.

Just a little sidenote, the ranch that Robert DiNiro's character owns in the film is now owned by the Pioneer Woman's husband and his family (the land anyway).
 

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So I watched Prince of Darkness again today (the 4k transfer is decent) and I tend to like this film a little better each time. Oh, it has major flaws I wish were fixed, but Carpenter's score is great, it has some shocking moments/concepts, etc., and the last 5 minutes will always be stuck in my head.

I also watched The Manitou with TOny Curtis, the last time I saw this film was in my 20's maybe and I barely remember anything except that it made me want to buy the book -- and I did read both it and Manitou 2 and the books were definitely better. They just didn't know how to visually treat it in the 70's and nowadays some of it doesn't scan very well. The books are pretty horrific in general and would fit in with an A24 horror offering nowadays considering how they cross into specific mythos + supernatural/elder god style forces. I mean, I guess for 70's, they did the best they could, it just isn't good enough.

I also watched the first 7 Saw movies over October. I still feel like Saw 6 is understated, I really like the whole concept of the insurance rep being sent through various scenarios having to decide which people live or die -- except they're people he actually cares about, rather than people he's trying to rip off. it makes his decision far more real to him and finally evokes a sense of horror in the decisions he has made over the years... I think the Carousel scene is the craziest and just completely goes off the rails in a good way. The whole thing still feels very relevant. Of course, it ends up with a pretty crazy but valid twist on his whole test. It's not really shocking that Saw X was done by the same director and is actually one of the few with a RT high mark.

Tobin Bell is one of the best parts of this series, I'm glad something finally gelled for him after all the character actor roles he did over the years, he's has such a distinctive appearing and variety of roles.
 
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Watched Totally Killer (Amazon) and The Conference (Netflix), the latter is subtitled. The latter is actually the more consistently and polished funny of the two, I really enjoyed it and the subtitles were not a hindrance in the least -- basically mixing some kind of humorous office dysfunction film with a camp slasher film. It's never really scary but it is consistently amusing (with all of the victims looking to be 30-60 years in age) and how actual team-building does evolve among the dwindling pool of survivors -- and an unexpected moment of pathos late in the film. Also, some of the corporate folks are total douchebags and getting their just desserts after running things up the flagpole and seeing who salutes.

Totally Killer is kind of like "The Final Girl" crossed with "Back to the Future" but it is not as tightly written and pretty much the storyline and plotting is weak -- the main value of the film is laughing at the comparison between 1985 and 2015 high school teens and the worlds we were used to (one of the main openings after the time hop involves a brutal game of girl dodgeball), and also watching the main character's parents (compared to BttF, where they were generally decent people) are totally douchebag bullies and the protagonist's mom is regularly talking smack to her and she can't respond to it + is continually aghast. I wish it had been a little more grounded and less overall silly, it won't really have much longevity, but whatever.
 

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I finally finished the second season of Rise Of Empire: Ottomans on Netflix. This is a docudrama focused on Sultan Mehmed II. This season revolved around the issues in what was Wallachia (Romania) and Vlad Tepes (Impaler). Obviously they are telling the actual historic story of Vald and his brother Radu who were both raised at the Ottoman court with Mehmed. I liked this season a little less than the first but the actor that plays Mehmed - I think he is fantastic in this role.
 

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Finally caught up with "You're Next," the Adam Wingard home invasion film. Pretty typical as far as these things go, although it's amusing to watch Ti West in a momentarily cameo be the first person to fall victim (not much of a spoiler).

I kinda guessed at one person being involved by the midpoint. I have to say that as a genre it's all kind of predictable, but at least films like this are a step up from Friday the 13th in terms of skill and execution. Still, high art, it ain't.

For a recommendation of something with a higher humor content but same kind of gist, I highly recommend "Ready or Not" with Samara Weaving -- it's consistently hilarious, has the iconic wedding gown, and the ending is outrageously over the top.
 
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