[Te] Question For TJs

[Norexan]

Humans have the same roots aka out of africa, but you can't apply one culture's mores to another.

You don't understand. We don't need to invent the bridge because there is the bridge.

 

[hurl3y4456]

Si --> Hindsight
Ni --> Foresight
SE (reality) --> sight <-- NE (imagined)
I would think that for an ENTJ, Se would work in synergy with Ni to project toward a goal in mind with Te being the driver. For an INTJ, Se may become clouded (tunnel vision) as Dom Ni causes one to dive deeper from the surface. The activity of Se is inversely proportional to introversion and introspection.....yet Se is itself a catalyst for any function to be initiated....Imagine staring at a white wall your entire life.

 

[EJCC]

Everyone wings in it some areas at some times. But the most irritating factor is that there are people that say things like ^^. It makes any TJ (or any type for that matter) much less likely to ever seek help if they need it because - strong, competent people don't vocalize when they need help with anything, right? They never need any help, right? Everyone expects it from the weak and vulnerable.

Because we live in a society that doesn't value people at all when you get right down to it, I'm not at all surprised when people ask things like the OP.

I don’t mind the question in the OP because it’s an opportunity to say: no, we don’t always have it all together. That said - hoo boy. I am still unlearning so much of this BS. Could have saved myself a lot of unnecessary pain if I’d made it a habit to force myself to ask for help when needed.

Speaking for myself as an ESTJ: the more things are falling apart and the more I need help with something, the harder that is to communicate to others. I continue to look in control because in order for the out of control part to surface, I’d need to figure out a way to fit that chaotic mess into my usual communication framework.

 

[Jaguar]

I would think that for an ENTJ, Se would work in synergy with Ni to project toward a goal in mind with Te being the driver.

What have we here? Give the person a prize!

 

[rav3n]

Si --> Hindsight
Ni --> Foresight
SE (reality) --> sight <-- NE (imagined)
I would think that for an ENTJ, Se would work in synergy with Ni to project toward a goal in mind with Te being the driver. For an INTJ, Se may become clouded (tunnel vision) as Dom Ni causes one to dive deeper from the surface. The activity of Se is inversely proportional to introversion and introspection.....yet Se is itself a catalyst for any function to be initiated....Imagine staring at a white wall your entire life.

No. Te's the driver, Ni is the support function to Te. Se is the tertiary relief function to the driver so it becomes the driver when Te-Ni stand down.

 

[Jaguar]

No. Te's the driver, Ni is the support function to Te. Se is the tertiary relief function to the driver so it becomes the driver when Te-Ni stand down.

For you.

 

[rav3n]

For you.

This is function theory, not my subjective take on it.

 

[Jaguar]

This is function theory

So was my post.

 

[rav3n]

So was my post.

Expand on it.

 

[Jaguar]

Expand on it.

Development is not done with a cookie cutter - the same for all people. There are some thinking Se is an "evil doer" - Jihadi John from ISIS beheading the ENTJ with a sword. Then you have some who know they need—and want—Se, as well as Fi, to get where they are going with their vision. Te/Ni is a one-sided problem. One-sidedness is what Jung spent his life writing about.

 

[rav3n]

Development is not done with a cookie cutter - the same for all people. There are some thinking Se is an "evil doer" - Jihadi John from ISIS beheading the ENTJ with a sword. Then you have some who know they need—and want—Se, as well as Fi, to get where they are going with their vision. Te/Ni is a one-sided problem. One-sidedness is what Jung spent his life writing about.

I hear you but you're misunderstanding me. Being a relief function isn't in opposition to the dom. It's that the two functions don't work together but there's nothing to prevent them from quickly flipping back and forth. In an unhealthy ENTJ, they can be stuck in a loop, flipping back and forth between Te and Se. In a healthy ENTJ, Te will be the driver that's augmented by Ni and as they age, they'll have developed enough to bring the tert relief function into consciousness. The net result will be that it's possible to flip between the Te-Ni team and Se. And as ENTJs mature and develop, they develop and bring Fi into their consciousness where prior, Fi was in the unconscious and was an opposing function the dom. And even when the inferior is brought into the conscious, it's technically in opposition to the dom, since it decision makes premised on values and Te decision makes premised on pragmatic, objective logic. This doesn't mean that Te and Fi must be battling, if they agree on the end goal.

Hope the above clarifies the distinction.

 

[Jaguar]

How dare you play the drums differently than others, you unhealthy twit. You can only play them one way. YOU DRUM LOOPER!!!

 

[Norexan]

3rd function is not opposition with 1st. 1st function inducted 3rd.
3rd function is opposition with 2nd! Can you learn basic thing? T <----> F , N <-----> S
Do you ever think about why ENTJ can loose sense of big picture and start to act as ESTP?
Because of induction of Se! There is no Ni! (blindness)
Relief can be in case that your Ni is overloaded!
So Se is there to release Ni and do things.

Again MBTI is not Te (scientific) personality system. It is pure FeSi which makes sense because FeSi are grate students of psychology.

 

[rav3n]

How dare you play the drums differently than others, you unhealthy twit. You can only play them one way. YOU DRUM LOOPER!!!

I swear you look for offense, deliberately misinterpreting people. It's annoying as fuck.

 

[Jaguar]

I swear you look for offense, deliberately misinterpreting people. It's annoying as fuck.

Considering you misinterpret nearly every post I make, year after year, that's rich. I misinterpreted nothing. Nor did this INTJ who used to post here:

I note people like to use the unhealthy and healthy labels for functions. Personally I loath it; its a case of 'your ideas are different from mine and this makes them unhealthy'.
More importantly I've never seen any sort of typological discourse which discusses unhealthy or healthy states in more rigorous typology discussion and literature. I might say it's a uniquely invented paradox of online typology communities and has little to do with cognitive functioning but everything to do with those who use the labels.

On a side note: Get a frigging sense of humor.

 

[rav3n]

Considering you misinterpret nearly every post I make, year after year, that's rich. I misinterpreted nothing. Nor did this INTJ who used to post here:

Look into the theory of looping. It's unhealthy. I didn't fabricate the theory. You're also misunderstanding what I stated. Don't forget that you believe that Ni's also involved in what you're doing and if so, the Te-Ni team flipping back and forth with Se, would describe what you're doing.

 

[Jaguar]

Look into the theory of looping. It's unhealthy. I didn't fabricate the theory. You're also misunderstanding what I stated. Don't forget that you believe that Ni's also involved in what you're doing and if so, the Te-Ni team flipping back and forth with Se, would describe what you're doing.

That "loop theory" paranoia contaminated this forum many years ago. "You're in a loop!" It drove a lot of us nuts watching people constantly vomit it into the forum. One person believing something is "unhealthy" or even 100 people believing something is "unhealthy" or in a "loop" doesn't make it so, no matter how much people prattle on about it. If you want to play this marching game of ordered 1-2-3-4, you've missed the entire point of Jung's work. As I have repeatedly posted over the years, I view all of this more holistically, much like an orchestra. God help us all when it gets to the point that if certain instruments don't play in a particular order the orchestra is called unhealthy or in a loop.

"Irma, I went to hear the Boston Pops and they were in a frigging loop!"

You people. lol.

 

[rav3n]

That "loop theory" paranoia contaminated this forum many years ago. "You're in a loop!" It drove a lot of us nuts watching people constantly vomit it into the forum. One person believing something is "unhealthy" or even 100 people believing something is "unhealthy" or in a "loop" doesn't make it so, no matter how much people prattle on about it. If you want to play this marching game of ordered 1-2-3-4, you've missed the entire point of Jung's work. As I have repeatedly posted over the years, I view all of this more holistically, much like an orchestra. God help us all when it gets to the point that if certain instruments don't play in a particular order the orchestra is called unhealthy or in a loop.

"Irma, I went to hear the Boston Pops and they were in a frigging loop!"

You people. lol.

Firstly, I don't care what happened in the past. That's not my problem and citing InvisibleJim, a member who was banned for his unhealthy behaviors on TypoC and at least one to two other typology forums, isn't going to convince me of squat. Whether he was looping or not, I have no idea and no cares are given.

What matters in this thread is theory and looping is a cognitive function theory.

 

[Jaguar]

The Faces of Personality Type Development
By Ross Reinhold, INTJ


Faces of Personality Type | Myers Briggs

For anyone interested in viewing "looping" as normal functioning.

The people who operate on a daily basis as if the sky is falling, don't bother reading it.

What matters in this thread is theory

Gossip from paranoid members isn't theory.

 

[Norexan]

What matters in this thread is theory and looping is a cognitive function theory.

Looping is later cognitive function invention because they need to explain why someone is not act according to theory which is BTW pure religious (Ti) approach to the problem.
"Hey, there is a God (16 personality system!) Let we see how we can approve his existence!"


If you cannot realize difference between scientific and religious approach to the problem we cannot talk about your Te.