My Turn!!!

[Asterion]

I like to review my type frequently, I feel like discussing myself atm too, so I'll fire away ... I'm going to scribble all over this with crayonz... be very very afraid...

-I don't seem to like to connect to the people I meet, I'll share a laugh (etc.), but then suddenly when the time calls for friendly kind of chat/banter, I prefer to stay [edit]:silent distant. Maybe I'm just being sensitive to what others want from me?
->> This seems like extroversion, I have more associates that I just randomly encounter than close friends that I purposely meet up with. E

-I'm often clumsy, I was never able (and I'm still struggling to be able) to play sports competently. Often I would enjoy playing/leading a loosing team and putting in as much effort as possible to try to turn the tide.
>>> lack of S, so it's preference could be tertiary or inferior.

-I've noticed that I can never put things down to get something done, I try to eat and cook/search etc.
--> very little common sense

-When conversing with friends I seem to have two modes:

1. intellectual banter, in which I learn as much as I can from the other person about anything they might know, but I also dish out my own knowledge.
2. Crazy mode, Where I get enthusiastic and zip between absolutely random threads in my mind.

->- Very ENFP like, the so called "silly switch", I wonder if ENTPs do the same though?

-I find that I talk quite fast sometimes, but often I encounter something that I struggle to process, like anything reflective, or something I need more information about.
>>> this says shit-all.

-I often sit back and listen to banter and add the occasional short sentence.
>-> possible introversion.

-I seem to accidentally induce arguments, If someone points out something they notice, I question it, their motive and everything about it from an opposite angle.
>>> what is this? ENTP or ENFP? both maybe? Ne? Ti? Fi?

-I tend to avoid people who aren't open to discussing unrealistic topics, and prefer to discuss the party they just went to, or what sally did last night...
>>> intuitive, N

-I like to play with emotions, I find them quite fun, but I don't tend to feel the ones that I exhibit.
>>> I think I mean expressions, like acting. Maybe I should take up drama or something? is this more ENTP or ENFP?

-When work is due, I don't feel the impending doom of failure, I might put in some effort and get some work done, but more often than not, I leave it to the last minute or don't do it at all. I consider doing the work though, I just choose not to (occasionally preferring to space out instead)
--- ENFPs and ENTPs are both well known for their procrastination. P for procrastination

-There is the occasional time in which I turn on the intellectual mode, and do as much work as I can, but it's always in short bursts, never consistently, and that makes me dislike doing work altogether... (I aim to get heaps done, and assume that I will work the next day, but I'm realizing that's a naive assumption)
>>> P

-I tend to be uncertain about everything (my type, for example), I make apathetic choices quite often to resolve this issue (it's easier to decide something if you stop caring about it). I let people make decisions for me when I don't care, but when I do, things have to go my way.
>>> Probably another sign of P

-I'm just about never serious, I smile incredibly often
>>> The happy/jokey type.

-Music: I like things that are over the top, screaming, death metal isn't out of the question, most music that could be considered 'normal' I find rather boring.
-->ENXP?

-I misplace everything, consecutively. I lost my wallet... twice in the same week!!!
>>> total sensotard

-I hate watching sport, and don't support any team, but make an arbitrary choice in which to respond to people when they ask what team I support.
-->Probably a mixture of N and P

-TV often bores me, I think I prefer to be able to affect what happens. I don't watch movies more that maybe once.
>>> N, maybe P???

-I like pushing my luck in order to get useless things, like free yoyos that are only for business students, pencils that are supposed to be returned.
--->XNXP

-When working in the labs, or in class, I'm quite serious. I do the work in preference to messing around with people.
>>> possible I?

-I once completely failed to notice the bigger half of a cafe until someone pointed out to me that what I thought was a wall/mirror, was actually an archway.
>>> another Sensotard moment

-I dislike being at home, I'd rather be anywhere else. I long for things that I don't have, despite me not always knowing what it is that I want.
>>> yarrr, an envious little monkey, he be.

-I can't stay focused on anything properly, I'll intend to do something I know will be interesting, but then I suddenly change my mind, and do something else... fluttering between things constantly.
>>> you're repeating yourself.

-My memory is somewhat strange, I tend to forget what I've said halfway through saying it , I loose track of whatever it is I'm doing frequently.
--> where am I, I thought this was the exam room?

-[add]: most recently I was pushed into fury, I noticed:
I did everything as efficiently as possible and went nuts when it wouldn't do what I wanted, I resorted to force. But my aggression was sort of on/off. One second I wanted to smile and joke, the next I wanted to smash things to f**king pieces. I try to suppress the feelings, but it's difficult.
>>> According to Xander, forcefulness is an INFP thing, when they get angry, they become ESTJ like.

I'm not sure if that's enough information, I'll probably post a bit more later. (and I did of course)
Looks like I don't have any T/F observations... no wonder I'm unsure, what kind of things should I be looking for?

 

[Sentura]

enfp, loud and clear.

also, your computer isn't connected to your brain via neurolink, so changing your type online will not change your personality in real life... as you may or may not have noticed.

 

[Sol_]

I like to review my type frequently

There may be only one reason for this - bad understanding of typology. I recommend you to study it more seriously befor guessing somebody's type. Anyway, befor good understanding of subject you shall not be able to use it properly. So if you are realy interested in Jung's typolgy, you should read books about it and observe people until you shall find stable versions of type for you and other. Besides MBT books (wich are usefull only for description of preferences, and more-less of extraverted types), you should read Jung's - "Psychology Types" and "Tavistock Lectures", von Franz "The Inferior Function", and it would be good to study socionics (but I doubt, that there are good popular English books about it).

 

[Asterion]

enfp, loud and clear.

also, your computer isn't connected to your brain via neurolink, so changing your type online will not change your personality in real life... as you may or may not have noticed.

Oh, I've certainly noticed that . You know what, I think I've actually just learned to imitate ENFPs ever since that duel that Wyst started. How am I supposed to even know if I'm dominant Ne?

I'm definitely strongly P, so that leaves these types:
INTP INFP ISTP ISFP ENTP ENFP ESTP ESFP

I'm definitely not ESFP or ESTP, so there's little chance of me having any sort of Se. I seriously doubt ISTP and ISFP as well. That leaves:
INTP INFP ENTP ENFP

So I just have to work out if I'm more Ti, Fi, Ne.

I noticed recently that I don't actually do things for my own benefit, If I have to charge my phone, put oil in my car (etc.) I wont do it. If someone wants me to do it for them, I'm probably more likely to do it.

 

[Asterion]

There may be only one reason for this - bad understanding of typology. I recommend you to study it more seriously befor guessing somebody's type. Anyway, befor good understanding of subject you shall not be able to use it properly. So if you are realy interested in Jung's typolgy, you should read books about it and observe people until you shall find stable versions of type for you and other. Besides MBT books (wich are usefull only for description of preferences, and more-less of extraverted types), you should read Jung's - "Psychology Types" and "Tavistock Lectures", von Franz "The Inferior Function", and it would be good to study socionics (but I doubt, that there are good popular English books about it).

I'm sure that there are other ways to do this. I'm somewhat confident that I'm an ENTP, but my confidence in that lapses so frequently. I think the problem could possibly be that even ENTPs are all rather individual, same applies for other types. The INTPs at INTPc are all rather different from one another, the share a few traits, but you'd probably never guess that they're all the same type. Some of them don't even seem to think that they're all INTPs. Given that, it's probably better to define the differences between types rather than what the types actually are.

 

[Sol_]

I'm sure that there are other ways to do this.

There is only one good way, that I have mentioned. Other known to me are: 1) some expert(s) say your type [bad, because the match in version between experts is lower than should be, - several tens % of divergence, when they do not known versions of each other], 2) average results in tests [bad, because the same - low match in results, plus tests are similar what lowers the mean of match between of them]. So only some combination of selfstuding with these external ways is suitable.

I think the problem could possibly be that even ENTPs are all rather individual, same applies for other types. The INTPs at INTPc are all rather different from one another, the share a few traits, but you'd probably never guess that they're all the same type.

That is why you need comprehensive and deep study (about a 1 year as minimum) of typology, to correctly identify type of people wich always are the same in something and are different in other things. The study will teach you wich traits rely to type and how they are expressed, will teach you to see such traits among noise of external factors. When this will be done, you shall get stable versions of types, because the type itself is stable and have stable general traits in behavior.

According to socionics, it not only have better description of functions what may help you, but also have intertype relation theory, wich can help to identify your type too. You may try to use lists of people, type of wich was identified - my celebs list for example. Check what imaginations they give to you (in movies, not at photos only). Plus you may identify types of people around you and observe correlation between theory and practice of intertype theory.

 

[Asterion]

General: ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They want to both help (at least, their own definition of "help") and be liked and admired by other people, on both an individual and a humanitarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another.

OK, I think I'm an ENFP
Firstly, I was just recently interested in the idea of me actually being type XXXX (any arbitrary type)... but then I discarded that for some reason.

Social/Personal Relationships: ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm (I probably do... it's hard to see yourself like that without any sort of bias), which can ingratiate them to the more stodgy types in spite of their unconventionality. They are outgoing, fun, and genuinely like people. As SOs/mates they are warm, affectionate (lots of PDA), and disconcertingly spontaneous. However, attention span in relationships can be short; ENFPs are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances, forgetting about the older ones for long stretches at a time. Less mature ENFPs may need to feel they are the center of attention all the time, to reassure them that everyone thinks they're a wonderful and fascinating person.

ENFPs often have strong, if unconvential, convictions on various issues related to their Cosmic View. They usually try to use their social skills and contacts to persuade people gently of the rightness of these views; his sometimes results in their neglecting their nearest and dearest while flitting around trying to save the world.
Work Environment: ENFPs are pleasant, easygoing, and usually fun to work with. They come up with great ideas, and are a major asset in brainstorming sessions. Followthrough tends to be a problem, however; they tend to get bored quickly, especially if a newer, more interesting project comes along. They also tend to be procrastinators, both about meeting hard deadlines and about performing any small, uninteresting tasks that they've been assigned. ENFPs are at their most useful when working in a group w ith a J or two to take up the slack.

ENFPs hate bureaucracy, both in principle and in practice; they will always make a point of launching one of their crusades against some aspect of it.

Extraverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving

by Joe Butt

ENFPs are friendly folks. Most are really enjoyable people. Some of the most soft-hearted people are ENFPs.
(I wouldn't call myself particularly soft-hearted though)

ENFPs have what some call a "silly switch." They can be intellectual, serious, all business for a while, but whenever they get the chance, they flip that switch and become CAPTAIN WILDCHILD, the scourge of the swimming pool, ticklers par excellence. Sometimes they may even appear intoxicated when the "switch" is flipped.

(That's probably exactly what I was describing before)

One study has shown that ENFPs are significantly overrepresented in psychodrama. Most have a natural propensity for role-playing and acting.

(I like to act, make faces and accents, but I'm not always so great at it)

ENFPs like to tell funny stories, especially about their friends. This penchant may be why many are attracted to journalism. I kid one of my ENFP friends that if I want the sixth fleet to know something, I'll just tell him.

ENFPs are global learners. Close enough is satisfactory to the ENFP, which may unnerve more precise thinking types, especially with such things as piano practice ("three quarter notes or four ... what's the difference?") Amazingly, some ENFPs are adept at exacting disciplines such as mathematics.

Friends are what life is about to ENFPs, moreso even than the other NFs. They hold up their end of the relationship, sometimes being victimized by less caring individuals. ENFPs are energized by being around people. Some have real difficulty being alone , especially on a regular basis.

One ENFP colleague, a social worker, had such tremendous interpersonal skills that she put her interviewers at ease during her own job interview. She had the ability to make strangers feel like old friends.

ENFPs sometimes can be blindsided by their secondary Feeling function. Hasty decisions based on deeply felt values may boil over with unpredictable results. More than one ENFP has abruptly quit a job in such a moment.

Functional Analysis:
Extraverted iNtuition

The physical world, both geos and kosmos, is the ENFP's primary source of information. Rather than sensing things as they are, dominant intuition is sensitive to things as they might be. These extraverted intuitives are most adept with patterns and connections. Their natural inclination is toward relationships, especially among people or living things.

Intuition leans heavily on feeling for meaning and focus. Its best patterns reflect the interesting points of people, giving rise to caricatures of manner, speech and expression.
Introverted Feeling

Auxiliary feeling is nonverbally implied more often than it is openly expressed (quite possible). When expressed, this logic has an aura of romance and purity that may seem out of place in this flawed, imperfect world. In its own defense, feeling judgement frequently and fleetly gives way to humor. ENFPs who publicize their feelings too often may put off some of the crowd of friends they naturally attract.
Extraverted Thinking

Thinking, the process which runs to impersonal conclusions, holds the extraverted tertiary position. Used on an occasional basis, ENFPs may benefit greatly from this ability. Less mature and lacking the polish of higher order functions, Thinking is not well suited to be used as a prominent function. As with other FP types, the ENFP unwary of Thinking's limitations may find themselves most positively mistaken.
Introverted Sensing

Sensing, the least discernible ENFP function, resides in the inner world where reality is reduced to symbols and icons--ideas representing essences of external realities. Under the influence of the ever-present intuition, the ENFP's sensory perceptions are in danger of being replaced by hypothetical data consistent with pattern and paradigm. When it is protected and nourished, introverted sensing provides information about the fixed. From such firm anchoring ENFPs are best equipped to launch into thousands of plausibilities and curiosities yet to be imagined.

Perhaps the combination of introverted Feeling and childlike introverted Sensing is responsible for the silent pull of ENFPs to the wishes of parents, authority figures and friends. Or perhaps it's the predominance of indecisive intuition in combination with the ambiguity of secondary Fi and tertiary Te that induces these kind souls to capitulate even life-affecting decisions. Whatever the dynamic, ENFPs are strongly influenced by the opinions of their friends.

ADD: I agree with the bold parts, the underlined parts don't make sense to me.

 

[Asterion]

There is only one good way, that I have mentioned. Other known to me are: 1) some expert(s) say your type [bad, because the match in version between experts is lower than should be, - several tens % of divergence, when they do not known versions of each other], 2) average results in tests [bad, because the same - low match in results, plus tests are similar what lowers the mean of match between of them]. So only some combination of selfstuding with these external ways is suitable.



That is why you need comprehensive and deep study (about a 1 year as minimum) of typology, to correctly identify type of people wich always are the same in something and are different in other things. The study will teach you wich traits rely to type and how they are expressed, will teach you to see such traits among noise of external factors. When this will be done, you shall get stable versions of types, because the type itself is stable and have stable general traits in behavior.

According to socionics, it not only have better description of functions what may help you, but also have intertype relation theory, wich can help to identify your type too. You may try to use lists of people, type of wich was identified - my celebs list for example. Check what imaginations they give to you (in movies, not at photos only). Plus you may identify types of people around you and observe correlation between theory and practice of intertype theory.

I relate to jack sparrow, what type is he? , Johny depp is a bit weird though.

Well, I've been studying other people quite a lot, I've run into an ENTP for sure and I asked him what attributes we share. There are quite a fair few, the humor, the argumentativeness, disliking television (except for House), the biggest difference seems to be that he doesn't care about what other people think about him and seems to be rather involved in firearms and other army style things. I compared myself with what I think was an INFP/ISFP as well, we're supposedly "completely different", although I thought I could relate to her a bit.

 

[Asterion]

INTPs test with strong T and I tendencies, INFPs test with strong F and I tendencies. The only think I am high in is P and maybe N, intuitive and sensing functions are generally thought of as perceiving functions. T/F has often tested on the border (or in complete disarray). That strongly suggests that I'm an ENXP. It's quite hard to tell exactly which one I am though, but right now, I'm leaning towards ENFP.

 

[Asterion]

[extroverts] tend to act, then reflect, then act further. If they are inactive, their level of energy and motivation tends to decline...Those whose prefer introversion become less energized as they act: they prefer to reflect, then act, then reflect again.

I think that would make me an INTROVERT
Although I often rush into things, completely ignore the rules and just 'do it' quite often, I pick up the rules as I go... nah, I think extrovert fits better.

 

[Asterion]

Is anyone going to help me out here, or am I going to continue to type (to) myself?

 

[Asterion]

-I question absolutely everything, mostly for fun, but quite often for intellectual stimulation.
-I dwell on my feelings, rather than fix them
-I can be rather silly and random, toasters anyone?

 

[BlackCat]

ENTP. But I don't know you that well, so I'll just say Ne dom. But from your forum presence etc I see you as an ENTP.

 

[Asterion]

ENTP. But I don't know you that well, so I'll just say Ne dom. But from your forum presence etc I see you as an ENTP.

Nice to know that someone reads my posts
ENTP and ENFP are rather similar apparently. I don't relate to INFP or INTP at all, I'm sure they are both eliminated. I went through the ENXP phase not so long ago too, and concluded ENTP and I've classed myself as ENTP until I started this thread.

 

[BlackCat]

Nice to know that someone reads my posts
ENTP and ENFP are rather similar apparently. I don't relate to INFP or INTP at all, I'm sure they are both eliminated. I went through the ENXP phase not so long ago too, and concluded ENTP and I've classed myself as ENTP until I started this thread.

Yeah ENTPs and ENFPs can be a lot alike, but there are also those distinct differences that are ultimately noticeable. Stick with ENTP. Even if you change, I'll always see you as an ENTP, it doesn't matter. I get that vibe from you.

 

[jenocyde]

I see you as an ENTP as well. But I can see why you think F.

Do you find yourself feeling better when someone apologizes to you for something?

 

[Asterion]

Yeah ENTPs and ENFPs can be a lot alike, but there are also those distinct differences that are ultimately noticeable. Stick with ENTP. Even if you change, I'll always see you as an ENTP, it doesn't matter. I get that vibe from you.

Sweet, but I don't really care what I seem like. I want to know the final truth in the matter. So I don't seem even remotely INFPish to you?

I see you as an ENTP as well. But I can see why you think F.

Do you find yourself feeling better when someone apologizes to you for something?

I don't think so, I'm often telling people that they shouldn't have said sorry, as they had no reason to. I notice that so many people run into me in the labs, the first thing they say is sorry, I don't say that, I say "excuse me", as a kind of automatic response, then wonder if I'm being weird . Most of the time, they've done very little, I don't need them to apologize.

The short answer: no.

 

[jenocyde]

I don't think so, I'm often telling people that they shouldn't have said sorry, as they had no reason to. I notice that so many people run into me in the labs, the first thing they say is sorry, I don't say that, I say "excuse me", as a kind of automatic response, then wonder if I'm being weird . Most of the time, they've done very little, I don't need them to apologize.

The short answer: no.

This is my normal response. I can't stand it when people apologize to be honest, I'd just rather they don't do it again. Apologies make me uncomfortable.

I have a lot of ENFP friends that get upset with me because although I may admit when I am wrong, I rarely apologize. Or rather, I have learned to throw those words around for the sake of peace, but I rarely mean them.

So my theory is that these words (however empty they may be) mean more to an ENFP than an ENTP, but of course, this is just my observation.

 

[BlackCat]

Sweet, but I don't really care what I seem like. I want to know the final truth in the matter. So I don't seem even remotely INFPish to you?

Heck no.

It might be weird since all NPs can somewhat relate to each other with Ne, but you're still ENTP. There's no way you're INFP.

 

[Asterion]

This is my normal response. I can't stand it when people apologize to be honest, I'd just rather they don't do it again. Apologies make me uncomfortable.

I have a lot of ENFP friends that get upset with me because although I may admit when I am wrong, I rarely apologize. Or rather, I have learned to throw those words around for the sake of peace, but I rarely mean them.

So my theory is that these words (however empty they may be) mean more to an ENFP than an ENTP, but of course, this is just my observation.

Hmmm, many people seem to struggle with the F/T divide, the threads discussing them are long, dribbly and inconclusive (although somewhat interesting). I think I've identified a few Fs before. The most recent one sneezed, I said she probably has swine flu and we're all gonna die, she responded: "are you calling me a pig?"... I was kind of like...