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[Jaguar]

I never stop.

I better get some popcorn, then.

 

[tony_goth]

I was mistyped. By myself. I think I'm 4sx-EIE instead of 4sx-EII.

I thought initially : "extrotim=active, introtim=passive". But active/passive, though a sign of extroversion/introversion, does not fit my perceived definition anymore. If I was an introvert, I would probably don't have this feeling to talk to people in a loud and risky manner all the time. It's exhausting. I may be physically passive, but I'm socially and mentally active. Physical passiveness is common to 459's, and they may be extroverted especially if they have the sx instinct.

I thought initially also : "all people with a certain Etype and a certain dominant instinct are equally extroverted". I think I was mistaken, because I think Enneagram does not fully describe the physiological aspects of personality. That assertion was nonsense whatsoever because, for example 6sx's may be EIE's and EII's.

But I'm not a stereotype of EIE, because I'm actually barely an extrovert. When people think of EIE's, they think of Twos and Sixes. Fours range from extreme introverts to bare extroverts.

Another thing that makes me think I'm EIE is that I'm more attracted to LSI women than LSE women.

 

[Shadow Play]

If I argue about how argumentative I am, does that mean I'm not an INFJ?

Personality theory is more about tendencies than certainties. I wouldn't say you're an INFJ with any certainty, but regardless of whether you're a P or a J (or on-the-fence), I'd sooner type you as an INFJ than I would type myself as one.

 

[batteries included]

Still trying to figure out if I'm more ESFP or ENFP. Sometimes I think I prefer the sensory world as much as the intuitive one.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

[MENTION=19700]asynartetic[/MENTION]

 

[Peter Deadpan]

[MENTION=19700]asynartetic[/MENTION]

9w1

I like your avatar.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

9w1

I like your avatar.

Likewise, although I'm sure I've told you this more than once in the past.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

How would a 8w9 and a 9w8 differ?

9w8 is a pillar that's hard to push over. Nonetheless, it usually just sorta stands there.

8w9 is a steamship that allows nothing to get in its way. Nonetheless, it's able to drop its anchor and sit for awhile.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

So, 9w8 completely passive and 8w9 in "tank" mode that calms down for a while?

But what about their relation with anger?

I wouldn't say that any healthy person of any type is completely passive.

But, as a general rule, 8s have a need for physical expansion. This can be taking up and using space with their bodies, or using a loud voice, or having an arrogant, boastful, just generally confident presence. They basically lack apology for existing.

9s are inherently somewhat the opposite. They are more floaty or grounded in presentation to others. They are earthy, like stationary roots, or gaseous like a passing cloud. They will sooner "apologize for existing", which may show in a tendency to sway according to the winds around them, like a willow tree.

As far as anger goes, and I'm going somewhat anecdotally from my personal experience with these types, 8s are sudden, intense, frightening, and more entitled. 9s can be sudden, but more 6ish in that they are often reacting personally, defensively, and sensitively. It may seem like more of an overreaction from them rooted within, whereas 8s obliterate the issue in a way that owns the situation and the world around them. You may be left wondering what the fuck happened with an 8, whereas a 9 might have some good points, or even be laughable in their overreaction (showing that connection to 6).

 

[FemMecha]

What if you don't like arguing with people, but you're constantly arguing with yourself?

OMG I actually relate to this. I have all kinds of inner conflicts - one is a super Mulder and Scully debate that never ends. I cannot stand to argue with other people though and tend to see both sides of arguments between external people, although that doesn't mean I equally agree with everything. The constant inner debate is almost torturous at times and involves a great deal of self-doubt and questioning. I don't have any idea how the majority of people can be so sure of their perspectives. Very confusing.

 

[Pionart]

OMG I actually relate to this. I have all kinds of inner conflicts - one is a super Mulder and Scully debate that never ends. I cannot stand to argue with other people though and tend to see both sides of arguments between external people, although that doesn't mean I equally agree with everything. The constant inner debate is almost torturous at times and involves a great deal of self-doubt and questioning. I don't have any idea how the majority of people can be so sure of their perspectives. Very confusing.

Sometimes it's just a matter of selecting your perspective and then going with it until it falls apart. So in that case it's a faux-sureness, which is really a confidence that something is worth pursuing.

A useful concept is synthesis. If perspectives A and B are in conflict and a debate is arising, form a new perspective C which is in agreement with both A and B on the important points. Often a perspective only has a certain portion of it which the person is really "sure" of, and the rest is kind of assumed to follow from it by association. So the grey area of "reasonable-ness" is quite flexible in how it can be transformed.

Truth is hard to grasp. Often there is a sense of things known, but difficult to communicate unless someone's on the same page already. This leads to conflict because people are dealing with different lenses, different experiences, different beliefs.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

OMG I actually relate to this. I have all kinds of inner conflicts - one is a super Mulder and Scully debate that never ends. I cannot stand to argue with other people though and tend to see both sides of arguments between external people, although that doesn't mean I equally agree with everything. The constant inner debate is almost torturous at times and involves a great deal of self-doubt and questioning. I don't have any idea how the majority of people can be so sure of their perspectives. Very confusing.

Aren't Ni-valuing types prone to this sort of internal dialogue and second-guessing? I wouldn't consider this a bad thing, you're being open-minded and constantly questioning supposed truths versus people who stubbornly stick to one perspective.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

[MENTION=29978]Methylene[/MENTION] - I think my anger comparison was somewhat narrow and doesn't represent the full spectrum. For example, most healthy 8s don't actually have to use excessive anger to assert their dominance. But, I find it is helpful to look at the gut types via how they physically express a gut energy moreso than how they express anger, how they move through the world. 8s are expansive and expressive, seeking intensity in all that they do. 1s are rigid and controlled, like they are propped up with a pole that comes from their gut and holds the rest of their body up. 9s appear either self-rooted or somewhat formless in how they carry themselves.

I'm probably not explaining this well, so hopefully it makes some sense.

 

[Norrsken]

I'm so upset because this enneagram information website I adore so much is gone now, or they've changed URLs.
Remind me again what are the key differences between 2w3 and 2w1?

 

[FemMecha]

Aren't Ni-valuing types prone to this sort of internal dialogue and second-guessing? I wouldn't consider this a bad thing, you're being open-minded and constantly questioning supposed truths versus people who stubbornly stick to one perspective.

I've heard both opposites about Ni - that it is especially focused on a distilled, opinionated perspective, and that it is open-minded considering different perspectives. There are a lot of Ni-doms who do have a lot of ego-strength in their opinions when debating, so it's not clear to me that strong use of Ni correlates with constantly second-guessing oneself or having a clarity of vision and certitude in that final perspective.

 

[cascadeco]

I've heard both opposites about Ni - that it is especially focused on a distilled, opinionated perspective, and that it is open-minded considering different perspectives. There are a lot of Ni-doms who do have a lot of ego-strength in their opinions when debating, so it's not clear to me that strong use of Ni correlates with constantly second-guessing oneself or having a clarity of vision and certitude in that final perspective.

I've always viewed dom-Ni's as going one of two ways -- either crazily steadfast in the truth of their vision and beliefs, or, well, more balanced. I have always thought it was a difference of utter reliance on the dominant and ignoring of almost all else, vs NOT believing in the dominant automatically. Basically I guess what you said -- how strong is ones' ego tied to a particular mental process/personality trait. I think you and I have discussed this before, too, but I almost feel like Strength Of Ego could be its own personality factor. Is someone super differentiated? Or does someone define themselves by maybe one and only one trait? I think it makes that much of a difference. (and it should probably be said that a weak Ego has its own drawbacks / negatives -- so it's not like one way or the other is like the Best Way Ever --- we all probably just find one or the other more annoying).

 

[FemMecha]

I've always viewed dom-Ni's as going one of two ways -- either crazily steadfast in the truth of their vision and beliefs, or, well, more balanced. I have always thought it was a difference of utter reliance on the dominant and ignoring of almost all else, vs NOT believing in the dominant automatically. Basically I guess what you said -- how strong is ones' ego tied to a particular mental process/personality trait. I think you and I have discussed this before, too, but I almost feel like Strength Of Ego could be its own personality factor. Is someone super differentiated? Or does someone define themselves by maybe one and only one trait? I think it makes that much of a difference. (and it should probably be said that a weak Ego has its own drawbacks / negatives -- so it's not like one way or the other is like the Best Way Ever --- we all probably just find one or the other more annoying).

I do remember discussing ego-strength as a separate dimension to personality that could transform any of the 16 types in a fundamental way. From what I understand, the introverted functions are distilling and the extroverted functions are expanding. I think second-guessing comes from an emotional dynamic a person has that may not be accounted for in the functions. However, if one wanted to apply it to the functions, I would suggest that it is the extroverted function that takes in a lot of information, which is trying to funnel through an introverted function that could create the second-guessing. For example, a Fi-dom could second guess if they took in too much Ne and needed more time to distill it into their dominant framework. Or a Ni-dom would second guess if they have an influx of Fe or Te processesing that required more time to distill into the abstract patterns they had distilled to create their inner construct of reality.

 

[Pionart]

Regarding ego-strength, this can be expanded into the entire hierarchy of the unconscious, i.e. some may have greater shadow strength, anima/animus strength, more wise old man/woman*, more Selfhood, more Self-transcendence (which has various divisions within it); though perhaps there is an underlying dimension of tendency to progress upwards on the hierarchy at a faster or slower pace, or maybe that some view the heavenly realms of upper self-trascendence as the point, and others view the point as the earthly realms of ego and body.

It's an interesting topic.



* while on the topic, I'm thinking of using the terms "the other" instead of anima/animus, and "the wise one" instead of wise old man/woman. What do y'all think?

 

[Luminous]

Collage making... to represent myself and to interpret others... Ni? Fi? Ne?

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Collage making... to represent myself and to interpret others... Ni? Fi? Ne?

What's striking is your ability to represent others well based on seemingly little observation. Therefore, you seem to be in touch with the inner worlds of others: Fi. Also, highly N. I cannot tell if Ni or Ne, but I suppose since you don't seem to tire of it much, maybe it is Ne and you just love gathering patterns from the world around you.

I was also thinking that what I said about INTJ/ISFP earlier might not make much sense from a Socionics perspective, given your emotional temperament. What I mean is that you are just very expressive/communicative, and you scored high-ish on neuroticism, which seems more INFP.

But I'll just stick to Enneagram for now.