I don't think the supplementary scores for a single INFJ who has taken the test have matched.
Would anyone mind explaining the reason for the supplementary results?
Sadly, this theoretically based test doesn't produce as good results in practice as it should, and is constantly being refined... with no real success as of yet.
Which furthers my sense that MBTI is theoretically sound, whereas cognitive function theory is not - at least not when compared and contrasted with the results of this and other function typers.
cheers,
Ian
Yeah, I have to agree. As much as I love to spew cognitive functions when ranting, I'm really starting to doubt their significance. I know I have an excessive Fi (probably from several years of isolation) and that always confounds my results.
Or you could be an INFP. It's not really unbelievable...
I know that I have a fairly weak Fi, although I do have a somewhat stronger Ti (probably due to computing experience), so I'm somewhat more inclined to trust it.
I think it's possible that people haven't figured how to test functions correctly, or else have them in the wrong positions. It may still be valid, and I wouldn't be so dismissive.
I personally don't think they have defined the cognitive functions well enough quite yet.
Agreed. I've always felt this way about the functions. I usually try to type people by guessing what kind of functions they primarily use, but to me the functions are too ambiguous for this method of typing to be spot-on. Another thing that bothers me about the definitions of the functions is, I can't see functions manifest themselves in people's actions and behavior. I've read that you're not /supposed/ to be able to see functions manifest themselves in people's behavior, but I think if someone's brain is functioning in a certain way, their actions will take a certain route as well, so to me it is fishy to say that someone's MBTI type will not manifest itself in that person's actions, or that you won't be able to guess a person's MBTI type based on their actions.
My understanding is that MBTI is supposed to describe a person's most natural and core personality, but this natural type can be obscured by divergent function development [...]
Also, the only functions able to be clearly seen in another person's behavior are their extraverted functions, and only maybe shadows of the behavioral effects of the introverted functions.
Someone might have strong use of a function that is not part of their natural or core personality function line-up due to circumstances forcing them to develop in atypical ways.
but when I think about what an extraverted feeling judgement means
This sounds fishy to me. I don't understand why some functions can be seen but others cannot. Even if someone heavily uses Ti, which supposedly can't be seen in their behavior, they're going to make decisions using, primarily, Ti. I can observe those decisions, thus isn't Ti visible to me? Sure, maybe they use several other functions as well, and maybe it's hard to pick out Ti from among them, but Ti influences their thinking and their behavior, and should not, therefore, be invisible to me. I don't understand how this can be. The only way I can see it being invisible to me is if it becomes indistinguishable from among the other functions in use.
I can honestly say, that if I'm using Ti heavily, it's not because I'm forced to use it. I simply enjoy it and get a lot of usefulness and fulfillment out of it. I don't even know what it is, haha. I just know that I'm happy, and that most tests say I use Ti the most, so I have to assume I'm not being 'coerced' to use Ti. But the definition of Ti is not enough.
What does an extroverted feeling judgment mean to you?
Rick's scores on the main set of questions:
Extraversion (E): 11 50 (I) Introversion
Sensing (S): 21 46 (N) iNtuition
Thinking (T): 37 21 (F) Feeling
Judging (J): 50 21 (P) Perceiving
You scored as an INTJ.
Assuming that you are an INTJ,
Your DOMINANT function is Introverted Intuition.
Your AUXILIARY function is Extraverted Thinking.
Your TERTIARY function is Introverted Feeling.
Your INFERIOR function is Extraverted Sensing.
Please bear in mind that the supplementary questions are experimental and may be highly unreliable. If these scores conflict with your previous scores, it is probably because the questions are still not reliable enough.
Rick's scores on the supplementary questions:
Extraverted Thinking / Introverted Feeling : 27
Extraverted Feeling / Introverted Thinking : 25
Extraverted Intuition / Introverted Sensing : 30
Extraverted Sensing / Introverted Intuition : 15
Rationality (Dominant Judging Function) : 44
A-rationality (Dominant Perceiving Function) : 8
According to the supplementary scores, Rick could be an ESTJ or an INFP. These are opposite types, because the supplementary questions measure for preferences that opposite types share in common. See the FAQ for an explanation.
These results conflict with the evaluation of Rick as an INTJ.
And I can find a few threads where there are dozens more people whose function order is not as the theory would say.
I do not dismiss the idea as a whole, but rather, I have a body of evidence that suggests the theory as it concerns order of functional development as predicted by MBTI is off the mark
I wouldn't mind at all. You see the Rationality/A-Rationality scores, right? Well, those decide if you have a dominant Judging function (INTP, INFP, ISFP, ISTP, ESTJ, ESFJ, ENTJ, ENFJ) or dominant Perceiving function (INTJ, INFJ, ISTJ, ISFJ, ESTP, ESFP, ENTP, ENFP.)
Now, look at these dichotomy scores. These functions theoretically always show up together in a particular personality.
Ti/Fe: INFJ, ISTP, ENFJ, ESTP, INTP, ENTP, ISFJ, ESFJ
Fi/Te: INTJ, ISFP, ENTJ, ESFP, INFP, ENFP, ISTJ, ESTJ
Si/Ne: ISFJ, INTP, ESFJ, ENTP, INFP, ENFP, ISTJ, ESTJ
Ni/Se: INFJ, INTJ, ISTP, ISFP, ENFJ, ENTJ, ESTP, ESFP
These are all applied as filters, by testing Rationality/A-rationality as well as the four opposite function pairs, and choosing the best model to accommodate all the highest scores.
So theoretically, if we determine that they have a dominant Judging function, we've eliminated all Perception dominants as a possibility. Find out that they use Si and Ne more than Se and Ni, you've eliminated all the types that have Se and Ni conscious. At this point, we would know that the person was either an INxP or an ESxJ. If you determined that they used more Te/Fi, then you would have to find out whether they were an INFP (Fi, Ne, Si, Te) or ESTJ (Te, Si, Ne, Fi). If you determined that they used more Fe/Ti, you would have to determine whether they were INTP (Ti, Ne, Si, Fe) or ESFJ (Fe, Si, Ne, Ti).
Sadly, this theoretically based test doesn't produce as good results in practice as it should, and is constantly being refined... with no real success as of yet.