Why is it that the Regressive Left allows criticism of all religions except Islam?
What religion did they allow criticism of and didn't allow it for Islam? I think no religion should be criticized or made fun of, no Christianity, no Judaism, no Islam..
Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing
nor upon tradition
nor upon rumor
nor upon what is in a scripture
nor upon surmise
nor upon an axiom
nor upon specious reasoning
nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over
nor upon another's seeming ability
nor upon the consideration, he is our teacher
When you yourselves know: "These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness," enter on and abide in them.'
If we have no right to criticize anything and everything we'll still be living in the dark ages. One main reason for human progress is the ability and the right of humans to criticize anything, especially the norm. Add to it, religion has seldom it not ever been a reason for human progress.
A pre Christian quote which shares the sentiment above -
I would agree with you only if Judaism is allowed to be criticized just as much as Islam and Christianity, but of course I'm against any kind of making fun of others beliefs..
I feel you may be missing the point.
If Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc had millions upon millions of adherents advocating mass murder, enslavement, and imposing their religious laws unto foreign societies, they would be criticized too.
However there seems to be a odd fondness among some Leftist for Islam, something that doesn't mess with their normally secular and progressive world views.
They just believe that if they only got into Western society, they would be happy and nice. We have posters here that express that belief.
It seems a part of the worship of multiculturalism. Which often becomes a blindness, like in the massive statutory rape ring in England, where officials knew it was taking place and did nothing. Of course if a bunch of Christians were accused of statutory rape, they would attack...oh, Bill Clinton did do that, causing many deaths among the Branch Davidians 22 years ago.
On a similar note, I have read reports of American judges giving Hmong men a pass on rape because it was alleged rape is considered part of their culture.
Ultimately, Christians are up to mockery constantly. You could even make musical making fun of a sect with gross distortions of beliefs and win lots of awards.
But cartoons of Mohammed? Hmmmmmm.
Actually, no. ISIS is religious. The Muslim Brotherhood is religious. Hezbollah is religious. Islam is broad. And like Christianity, not unified.Obviously you are MIXING political ideologies which is taking a religion as cover to do all these crimes, ISIS, (which Muslims themselves are the main victims of them) WITH the religion it self..
It isn't a few people. It is wide spread, especially since the Saudis have been pushing Wahabism.You have to differentiate between 1 billion Muslims and hardly few thousands of retarded people which was never to be created if USA do not keep invading and mass distract countries in the name of freedom and democracy..
Islam has nothing to do with ISIS, yes there's teachings in Islam that a man should take his right if he was ever abused, but there's a strict forbiddenness of revenge and violating people's property and lives, and that's are proven more than a thousand of years ago if you read from the right sources and right translation, does media tell you that?
Does media tell you that as good as 100% of these ISIS people did not actually study Sharia and they're just taking some verses from her and there mixing it in a blender machine and telling you that this is Islam and you believe them but yet you do not believe the rest 1 billion which amongst them are actual Sharia scholars who spend most of their life studying it properly?
Does media tell you that if United State just give up the crap of granting freedom and joy to the world the world would be a much better place? Afghanistan and Iraq and Vietnam and many many other examples are a live evidence of that..
Who the fuck cares about the "media"? Lol, why harp on it? I don't need "media" to tell me anything.Does media tell you that ISIS and other extremist groups were not an issue some decades ago, and did not even exist because the nation was too busy with the Soviet Union and that even Middle East was not AT ALL involved in any religion discussions of any kind?
Lol. Really off topic. Really silly. Sure, the US makes money selling weapons, just like the Russians, the Germans, the French, the British, the Chinese, the South Africans, the Belgians, the Swedes, etc.Does media tell you that the United States is a big war machine, if there's no enemy they create it so they can sell weapons to all the teams of the battle and gain some money in their pocket?
Lol. Rotfl. Yeah, that is the reason for that statutory rape ring there in England, right???????Imagine you are being discriminated against and called names and bullied and blamed for what other people do in your name and yet we make cartoons of your face which is not your face, just ugly monster and tell you to show this ugly ID of yourself whenever you go, because whenever you say you are that person it's like making a statement and trying to justify yourself for something you don't believe and actions you did not do, and you can never escape from it, how would you or any regular human being react? Now imagine that happening to you every single day how does that make you feel? That's how being a Muslim seeing a cartoon feels like, I hope it's clear to you why are they so angry..
Jews and Africans and many people of color has been through that before, and now it's the Muslims turn, there always should be a victim in this world..
Actually, no. ISIS is religious. The Muslim Brotherhood is religious. Hezbollah is religious. Islam is broad. And like Christianity, not unified.
ISIS is explicitly religious, wanting to set up a Caliphate. I read a nice article on this last week.
Prior to the Iranian Revolution, the Islamic countries were secular. Only in the last 36 years have these governments gone religious.
It isn't a few people. It is wide spread, especially since the Saudis have been pushing Wahabism.
The US role is important, but so is the British, French, and Russian role. I abhor the neocon/neoliberal aggressive interventionist internationalism.
Independent of that, there is an aggressive, expansionist, ideological part of Islam that is very real and very much at the core of the religion.
I have studied Islam and Arab culture, including with an Eqyptian native. I am well aware of the diversity of Islam and the difference historically, not just between Sunni and Shia.
But just like an Anglican can't say that a Lutheran isn't Christian, you exclude ISIS from Islam. No matter how much anyone wants to say "Islam is a religion of peace", it isn't true. It is a religion that has aspects of war and peace.
Partially true but irrelevant. Even without Western involvement, Islamic societies would be fighting and such. Maybe you recall the Iran-Iraq War.
Who the fuck cares about the "media"? Lol, why harp on it? I don't need "media" to tell me anything.
And the only reason there was limited religious discord pre 1979 was because all the region was heavily involved in the Cold War and dominated by dictatorships.
The Muslim Brotherhood is a hundred or so years old. Sure the PLO was secular. Saddam had a multi religion society, but like all those dictators, forcefully kept any subversion under control.
But the Saudis used Wahabism as a tool for control. It is a rather recent Muslim sect, too, less than 200 years old. Yet they have pushed this militancy to maintain power.
Lol. Really off topic. Really silly. Sure, the US makes money selling weapons, just like the Russians, the Germans, the French, the British, the Chinese, the South Africans, the Belgians, the Swedes, etc.
Lol. Rotfl. Yeah, that is the reason for that statutory rape ring there in England, right???????
And why the terror couple in California killed the nice people who threw them a baby shower, right?????
And those brothers blew up the Boston Marathon?
And the Blind Sheik planned the first WTC bombing, right????
And the mostly Saudi crew did 9/11, right??????
And why they killed those cartoonists, right???????
And the recent Paris attack, right???????
And every other terrorists attack against the West, right?????
So, I guess the millions of Mormons should kill anyone who watched the "Book of Mormon" musical, right????? It is much worse than a cartoon in a foreign land, lol....
I have known many, many Muslims in the USA and not one had a negative experience.... of course, if they want to maintain their culture, they don't need to immigrate to the West.....
Lol........ They are not the victims of the world....boo hoo, poor Muslims. Silly....
Not sure why you make this so personal to you.... There are better causes and more important issues. Your overall understanding of the historical issues at play here needs improvement.
But the stark reality is that a large portion of the world's Muslims support terrorism. Many adhere to sects that are inimical to Western values and culture.
And it appears to me Western leftists support Muslims because they dislike their own culture so much. It appears to be an issue of self-hate.....
What's with all that oh ho bo ho lol thing?! I never expect a discussion with you would go down that road..
Apparently you and I have different sources of Islam, I chose to look for the ones that most stable Muslims believe in, and what was acceptable by the biggest Islamic scholars ( not Wahabis because Wahabi is a political movement and doesn't represent the majority of Muslims, and even Wahabi is not supporting the idea of ISIS) and you chose the sources that actually feeds some of the pre assumptions that you got in your mind, it would be nice to look for the other point of view of majority of Muslims other than 1 billion people are all brain washed with that bs that you're talking about, but since you're apparently not willing to listen, then I'll leave it here..
Hey, you went down the road trying to Fe me, I just used Fe back... I am well studied in this field and have discussed it many times.
The problem you might be having us that Islam is diverse. Many adherents are good, humble, loving people. I have greatly enjoyed every individual Muslim I have met.
However, the religion isn't monolithic. And Wahabism isn't a political movement, but a political tool, and the source of much of the discord. The Saudis have always been in a precarious position. The royal family isn't part of the larger population, so needed a tool for control. They knew having Mecca that needed to present the veneer of religiosity. Wahabism was the tool, but it is a religious tool being used for a secular purpose.
However, the Saudis have exported radicalism in an effort for domestic stability.
The Iranians have also aggressively used religion to expand political control. They use it extensively since they are not Arabs and so can't use Arab nationalism.
Again, historical Islam is very bloody and aggressive through most v of its history. They were periods of enlightenment, but those were exceptions, not the rule. But it isn't unified. There is no one official Islam.
ISIS claims to be religious. They have proclaimed a Caliph, a religious office. Just because some Muslims object doesn't change the religious nature of the movement.
Again, why do you feel so tied into Islam that you can't see the truth about the entirety of the culture, bad with the good? Why defend it so? It appears to be an emotional issue for you. And many on the Left. I have no idea where you sit on the political spectrum, so I am not assuming you are a Leftist.
It appears to be Orientalism for many.
Yes, most Muslims are nice good people, but the line between good Muslim and good Muslim terrorist is very small. Radicalization is very easy. And wide spread. Mosques are recruiting grounds. And sympathy is huge for the various groups.
Again, it shocks me that people who are generally against everything in modern Western society are defended and honored by Leftists.
I also studied Islamic history, culture, civilization and the life of Mohammed, and a little bit of Sharia and know all about Wahabism and Iran and so, but I don't think it's a bloody history, yes there were wars just like any nation in the world, I guess it's a human nature but this does not make Islamic history specifically bloody, I know it's under microscope because of terrorism, but that does not identify the religion or the history..
I think every religion should be criticised, which is a quite different matter from making fun of it.What religion did they allow criticism of and didn't allow it for Islam? I think no religion should be criticized or made fun of, no Christianity, no Judaism, no Islam..
Islam right now is the proverbial canary in the mineshaft. If we allow governments to use the reality of violence by groups calling themselves Muslim to justify prejudice toward all Muslims, we set a precedent for allowing religious discrimination that we will regret later.If Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc had millions upon millions of adherents advocating mass murder, enslavement, and imposing their religious laws unto foreign societies, they would be criticized too.
However there seems to be a odd fondness among some Leftist for Islam, something that doesn't mess with their normally secular and progressive world views.
ISIS is religious in the same manner that the Spanish Inquisition was religious. It certainly didn't represent "What would Jesus do?".Actually, no. ISIS is religious. The Muslim Brotherhood is religious. Hezbollah is religious. Islam is broad. And like Christianity, not unified.
ISIS is explicitly religious, wanting to set up a Caliphate. I read a nice article on this last week.
Prior to the Iranian Revolution, the Islamic countries were secular. Only in the last 36 years have these governments gone religious.
This is a much bigger issue than trying to keep out refugees at home. The consistent US support the Saudi government is hypocritical. Still, the Saudi government does not commit violent acts against the US, and our policy seems to be that autocratic governments can do what they like, as long as they keep it within their own borders.It isn't a few people. It is wide spread, especially since the Saudis have been pushing Wahabism.
Same with Christianity and Judaism.But just like an Anglican can't say that a Lutheran isn't Christian, you exclude ISIS from Islam. No matter how much anyone wants to say "Islam is a religion of peace", it isn't true. It is a religion that has aspects of war and peace.
I can come up with a list of Christians who have committed large-scale acts of violence. We just didn't use the word "terrorism" for them until recently, and now for some reason, we want to reserve that word for violence committed by Muslims. No double standards.And every other terrorists attack against the West, right?????
So, I guess the millions of Mormons should kill anyone who watched the "Book of Mormon" musical, right????? It is much worse than a cartoon in a foreign land, lol....
Do you want to tell the Italians to stop eating pasta, and the Chinese to stop celebrating lunar new year, and the Indians to stop opening restaurants featuring Indian cuisine, and the Greeks to stop using Greek in their orthodox worship? No immigrant group has been told to check their culture at the door as a precondition of entering the US. American culture is richer for the many cultural elements brought here from other parts of the world. We expect immigrants to add to their toolbox when they come here, learning English, and how our system of government works so they can be contributing members of society. The things they need to give up are relatively few, and confined to actions, not thoughts and beliefs.I have known many, many Muslims in the USA and not one had a negative experience.... of course, if they want to maintain their culture, they don't need to immigrate to the West.....
I can come up with a list of Christians who have committed large-scale acts of violence. We just didn't use the word "terrorism" for them until recently, and now for some reason, we want to reserve that word for violence committed by Muslims. No double standards.
Islam expanded due to war mostly, not peaceful conversion, except in few locations. The various sects are violently opposed to each other. I don't see Catholics killing Baptists today, but Sunnis and Shias are very violent and bloody today
I oppose all wars and conflicts done in the name of religion. Yet today only adherents of one religion seem determined to kill others, enslave others, and claim a religious purpose in doing so. Perhaps it is a cultural thing, not a religious thing. But the very groups conducting terrorism are doing so explicitly in the name of their religion.
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Does not the only major religion currently leading to mass terrorism bare some responsibility for the culture that encourages such behavior?
If the mosques are such great recruiting grounds, isn't there a reason to be considered?
I have studied this matter for more than 30 years. And I can't say Islam as a whole is free of responsibility here for the culture.
Really? I didn't know thatI believe many in the West can only see the positive aspects of Islam and only the negative aspects of their own culture.