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What is your identity?

FemMecha

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All this talk about "identity politics" has left me wondering a bit about identity. When I was in a masters in counseling for a year, we studied identity and how we have concentric circles of a sense of self: individual, family, community/tribe, national, global, etc. How is your sense of self built and what levels of individual and social identity resonates the strongest with you?
 

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My individual sense of self is based on loyalty to immediate friends and family as well as being an "artist", but that's about it.
 
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I tend to have a strong individual sense of self with loyalty to immediate friends and family. I also consider myself an "artist", but consider it a nebulous term that doesn't convey much specific information, and I change within that broad role, so I'm not a specific type of artist. I've also identified humorously as a "cat lady", but it's to laugh off hardship and express that I love the animals in my care.

I don't identity firmly with a religion, political party, nationality, race, sexual orientation, etc. I consider myself female, but don't try to be one or have an abstract notion to live up to that is strong or defined. I've only dated men, but don't have a heterosexual identity because life is always changing and requiring different things, and I had childhood crushes on women. I've voted more recently on the Left, but I feel free to move about the political spectrum in response to what I understand to be ethical and reasonable positions. I would never tattoo a politician on my body be loyal to one for the sake of it. I live in the U.S. but don't have ego invested in that identity and am not offended by criticisms because I just happen to live here. I work at a church, but am agnostic with a value of respecting people's beliefs and ideals, but feel it unrealistic that I would know the answers to the nature of reality. My grandmother was from Poland and I bought one Polish dress and once thought I should buy a Polish cookbook out of curiosity and have Irish blood and happen to play an Irish instrument, but I didn't plan on that correlation. None of these intentionally influence my daily life.

Really I feel disconnected, but when I hear groups of people with a collective identity proposing policy to support their lives, I just think its general politics. I see it as a population with a bunch of smaller groups with different needs that sometimes conflict, so they all bring their issues to the table and everyone tries to sort it out. I value freedom so appreciate not having only one group bulldoze everyone - whether they are the majority or minority. We need really basic public policies that apply the people in general and then allow for as much private freedoms as possible.
This is an interesting question, and one to which I have been giving some thought as of late. Identity, in the meaning of a sense of self, comes from a combination of our upbringing and our choices. We are born into a culture, a socioeconomic group, a religion, with physical characteristics like skin color, height, sex characteristics, and possibly disabilities. These factors may become central to our sense of self, either because we embrace and value them, or because we constantly feel constrained and limited by them. Even if we try to change or overcome them, we are often associated with them even years later. Someone raised Jewish, for instance, might feel no affinity for Jewish culture and even convert to a different faith, but may still become a target of antisemitism. Transgender people who have done everything possible to live out their true sense of self are now being expected to conform to an assumption based on a physical shell with which they never identified.

The second part of our identity comes from what we choose in life. This includes our career or profession, avocations, hobbies, political affiliations, even relationships like becoming a parent, or a mentor. Religion should be included here, but the influence of our upbringing can be hard to shake, and not just for those like Jews whose religion is closely tied to their culture.

When "people with a collective identity" are proposing policy to support their lives, it, too, falls into one of two categories. The first is directly tied to that part of their identity. For example, teachers asking for smaller classes and less administrative burdens, so they can focus more attention on each student; college students wanting lower tuition, and loan forgiveness; members of a religion wanting time off for religious events; or Latinos wanting Spanish added to emergency signs. The second involves members of a group asking for something everyone would want, as when those same teachers ask for better pay and benefits, or black people ask for health care comparable to what whites get, or gay people demand marriage and adoption rights, or simply a cake from the neighborhood bakery. These concerns are often dismissed as the affected group wanting "special rights", when really they just want what everyone else has. If they could get it, just like everyone else, there would be nothing for them to ask.

If we look more closely, though, even the first group of policy wishes fall into that category, too. Other occupations don't deal with students in a classroom, but everyone wants to be able to do their job without being overburdened, denied necessary resources, or diverted to other tasks. No one wants the cost of a critical resource like education (or medical care, or food . . . ) to be prohibitive. Everyone wants to be able to observe important life occasions, whether in a faith group, a family, or elsewhere. And everyone wants access to the information they need to make important decisions - like how to exit a theater on fire. These universal needs and wants will manifest differently for different groups and different individuals because we are not all the same. We can focus on the differences to divide and marginalize, or understand the underlying human commonality, to include and unite.
 
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i have no identity
with eight billion + humans the only thing I could identify is a fellow human
identity is a broad term and to properly pose the question from the O.P.’S perspective is to use exegesis
 

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Most of the time identity isn't exactly at the forefront of my mind. I enjoy the priviledge of being a university-educated white cysgender heterosexual member of the middleclass (my income sucks though) and belonging to the majority ethnicity/culture in my country. I don't belong to any religion which in a mostly secular country is a non-issue. So it doesn't really come up much until I am actively confronted with someone or something from outside that world. Police officers tend to be polite with me, passport checks tend to be quick and unproblematic. I have experienced harassment as a woman, but that is about the extant of it.

If you asked me what subjectively shapes who I am (rather than what boxes I would have to tick on a survey) I would say that I am a sensitive, nerdy/bookish, introverted person who has always felt a bit out of place in the world without being able to put a finger on why that is.

The culture I grew up in has obviously shaped how I see the world but, again, I don't really walk around thinking "I'm German" unless I am travelling abroad. When I am travelling within Europe, I am German. When I am travelling outside Europe, I am European first and German second. On this forum my nationality might come up more often because this outside perspective is in a way what I feel I can bring to the table but it isn't in really a big part of my identity.

Politically I would consider myself an undogmatic liberal/progressive as well as a somewhat idealistic internationalist. That makes me a part of the still rather large minority in my culture in the current political climate but is quite common in my social circles.

I am also married and a mother of two, which clearly plays a major role in my everyday life but I wouldn't consider being a mum an identity (I am very much "Mama" in my family but that is a parallel identity or role rather than an integral part of my identity, if that makes sense.

So, in short, since I check the unmarked/innocuous sociological boxes in basically all categories I have the luxury of predominantly identifying via my personality and biography.

Ever since I was kid I have loved reading books about different cultures and historical eras to immerse myself into different worlds and experience a sense of alterity. That curiosity has also motivated me to travel and learn other languages and ultimately brought me to this forum many years ago.
 

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The way I see identity is that it stems from the ego acting to preserve itself when the way we are inclined to exist in the world creates friction with external reality to which we feel unable to adapt, whether it’s because we value something else too much to sacrifice that way of being, or because it’s not really something we see as plausible for ourselves, for whatever reason, or because it is too painful to see ourselves a certain way and we reject it. It’s insisting that our existence is valid and good and has a right to be. Identity is woven by our particular “traumas.”

Then there are two sides to the coin. The sorts of things we struggle with while attempting to integrate ourselves into the world have the potential to become either self-defeating obsessions or our greatest teachers and/or strengths depending on how we cope with them. Often, friction or the ‘call to change’ ends up being how we differentiate ourselves the most from other people because we all have different intrinsic and extrinsic catalysts that push certain experiences and behaviors into our field of vision. They become what we nurture the most/pay the most attention to. We craft our world around them. It is also worth mentioning that not everyone’s ‘before and after’ is the same.
 
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I generally don't think about my identity unless others' interpretation of my identity gets in the way of my goals. My most crucial goal right now is survival. There is a general assumption that I should surely be doing okay and probably well off. I don't want to go into details there, so I will use innocuous situations.

The primary way my identity, as interpreted by others, gets in my way is racial (their interpretation).

I could pick on a lot of things there. However, one long-term issue is the "model minority" trope. There is a pattern that people assume I have more capability than my peers, with no evidence, leading to resentment. It's the people whose assumptions were violated who are most resentful.

During my PhD, I was funded through a different department than my field. So, I was teaching discussion sessions for something different from what would be relevant to my research. I had fellow TAs doing research much closer to what was being taught. One TA was also much further along in her PhD. Students, and initially even the course professor, assumed I would be the most knowledgeable. I was made head TA (no pay difference, just more admin work), and my discussions were initially attended more. I got good ratings, and overall, the course had a literal standing ovation at the end (the professor was charismatic but said he never experienced that before). However, part of what I had to do was to point out that the discussion session taught by the most experienced TA would likely serve students better (and I had to point out that she had a *lot* more experience). We shared the head TA responsibilities the next time we ran the course. Once my teaching requirements ended, she ran the course like a well-oiled machine. The other TA may have held a little resentment(I doubt it), but the students got a little huffy when I suggested her section.

I once had a genius boss(who happened to be black) who was also slightly younger than me and people would sometimes confuse us mainly because people would assume I was the boss with no information - awkward. The situation may have led to bad blood if I had a less understanding boss.
 

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My identity is rooted in my initial natural purpose of existence in addition to my moral vocation, drive, and what I thrive on.

I am a man born to do manly things. To go against my nature is to deny myself the privilege that was granted to me, to rebel needlessly and stupidly to guarantee my demise. Thankfully, I always held my responsibilities beyond a shadow of doubt. Nothing special to stop at.

The second thing is my natural predisposition to make things better and more efficient. Whether it is optimizing systems or holding people to high standards in order to make their lives better, at the best of their ability. I have a duty towards myself and others, and those who are ready to learn and become better will always find a place in my life. You can't teach someone who is not yet ready to learn.

I am also not someone who stands idle. When people are simply watching, I am the one who takes action. I have no qualms stopping needles arguments in social settings, and I don't care if I don't know you, you are no stranger to me, and what makes you ache, makes me ache, and as such I shall tactfully mediate or be just and fair. I don't mind hitting the bully if I have to. I can't stand injustice. It doesn't make me a hero, just a human who feels responsible for others.


Other than what is deeply rooted in my sense of self, we are constantly learning and life is a journey that brings lessons. Hopefully, we evolve towards our best versions. The rest is details.
 
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Identity is much like personality. To have an identity requires to personify ones self expressing values, energy, intention, action, emotion, thought, all of it. And yes identity is to become an extension of one’s sub personalities in some ways, I or id maybe.

In so far it’s a mask of supposition. What identity identifies self. Depends on the kind of representation one has and it might be different in different situations or the same one.

Identity is a foundation of self. Yet is it made up of everyone else’s or truly one’s own master.

I’ve been seeking my identify of self for so long I’ve lost my identity. Identity is a mood like a fine wine haha.

It’s been a stickler really. I suppose identity is tricky as it’s identified by one’s name and birthday and physical appearance as much which one can change.

It’s more a question of how to identify as self of one’s will in a unique form without restriction or restraint to be anything else but self identified. I suppose it’s the presence of one’s identity that takes a life of its own. In what a sense of self means. In a senseless world full of insanity.

And so I suppose I try to identify with people. To see the humanness, the spirit, the soul of one self as a being of identify. I suppose I identify as a parent nowadays.
 
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I don't think about my "identity" much. In a general sense, I am rarely in a position where it must be defended and thus examined/articulated. As another member noted, one has that luxury as a white, cisgender, heterosexual female.

I don't contemplate these labels, and needn't argue with them, I suppose. They describe elements of "me" well enough that it's never occurred to me to resist them.

If we look at Bronfenbrenner's ecological model, we're all Russian matryoshka dolls of cumulative experience and influence.

True enough.

But when I think of "identity," I don't think of those all that much, either.

Sure - we're all shaped by so many experiences, bonds, broader connections, social hierarchies, intergenerational spoken and unspoken rules and expectations, silent fears and fond memories of real and idealized pasts.

Are we what we've seen? Who we've known? Loved? Are we all of our hurts? Losses? Our politics? Are we our DNA? Pigmentation? Ancestors? Are we the Red Sox or Blackfoot tribe? Are we our minds? Our hearts? Our hatred?
Are we?

I am all of these and more. We are all more than words, thoughts, ideologies, or labels. Boxes are orienting and comforting. They do have their place. The lid is best left open, in my experience.

I am me. My tribe is human (for better or worse). I am of the earth.
I am Alive.

I feel simultaneously connected to and disconnected from everyone. I am alive. I know this. I feel. I am the cat baking in a sunbeam. I am the spider rebuilding its web once more after the storm. I am the man in his truck after a long day at work who just wants to unwind with a beer and forget he has to do it all again tomorrow. I am the child laughing in the sprinkler. I am the bent old woman planting flowers at a grave. I am the love two people once shared and I am the random, meaningless chaos of existence. Meaning is found, and made. We find and make ourselves, every day.

I am. We are.

That's all.
 

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I don't have an "identity", and I hate labels. Who I am is what I do.
 

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It's weird, with how important identity was to me for the longest time, how little I think about identity now or even care about it.

I think it was important to me for a long time because I didn't have one -- I felt like I had been jammed into someone else's mold all my life, so fighting to discover and retain "my own shape" was really important to me, in fact it was crucial to survival and growth. So I don't begrudge anyone to whom the search is important, I think it's a necessary stage where self-identity has been weakened or eradicated. it's important to know yourself.

I am hoping that how little I am concerned about it nowadays means I have a strong sense of self now, resilient to the degree I don't feel threatened or concerned or need to constantly consider it. I'm here and I'm going to last.

I am a little sad over the reality, though, that I wish I didn't exist in such isolation in terms of my sense of self. I had hoped to be integrated into family and community and part of some larger collective (even while still being me); I do feel like mostly my sense of self is independent and solitary, even if I feel a broad philanthropy towards human beings in general and the human experience. I think maybe this is something that won't change with me, I'm too old and have been in this state for too long. so I'm kind of "apart" from all of that even while wishing I wasn't, but life is life and we each end up in different places.
 

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My identity is that of an insane animalistic outsider. This sense of self is built out of internal deadness when it comes to sadness, empathy and really anything human. Something inside me never lets me know what it is like to mourn, cuts me off from experiencing the emotional weight of the moment. That puts me outside of things (on the other side of the fence) in both subtle and also sometimes major ways. Intensity reinforces that deadness, keeps the process in full swing, and that's the second layer of identity where the insane part comes in, like an expansive type of insanity that counterbalances emotional annihilation with Godlike high, and then there is the animalistic part that comes from that removal of humanness which also means the removal of "inner brakes". Appetite is existentially unchained/unrestrained; hence the full awareness of being an animal.
 

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My individual sense of self is based on loyalty to immediate friends and family as well as being an "artist", but that's about it.
Why?

I've never experienced this for some reason, so I'm curious as to why others do this (and why I don't).
 

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I'm currently sitting in a group therapy session about grieving the loss of identity like


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I still don't even understand the purpose of harboring attachment to one... ??? Why would I define myself by my decisions or activities? "I am a mother"—okay, and? Why is that your identity? What's the point?

I'm the only one in this group that doesn't intuitively comprehend this concept. Everyone else is elaborating on identity with absolutely no hesitation.
 
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I'm currently sitting in a group therapy session about grieving the loss of identity like


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I still don't even understand the purpose of harboring attachment to one... ??? Why would I define myself by my decisions or activities? "I am a mother"—okay, and? Why is that your identity? What's the point?

I'm the only one in this group that doesn't intuitively comprehend this concept. Everyone else is elaborating on identity with absolutely no hesitation.
If it helps I'm pretty sure they're just making it up.

But yeah, I struggle with this too. An identity seems like a shell that the hermit crab of our soul uses to fill out hello my name is tags, how do people settle on just one, and is it even possible to keep hold of one for long enough to constitute a sense of permanence? And if its nothing more than a mask you don to hide your face from the world, what does that mean when you have more than one face? What is the difference between an alter and an identity, what makes one more real, or socially acceptable, than another outside of the logical considerations of actual harm? I dunno stranger, but I think about it a lot.
 

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This is my exact expression.
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The more I listen and try to learn about the concept of identity from this group session, the more it confirms my assessment of its functional limitations and disadvantages.

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Wait... so I'm supposed to build an identity, then learn how to cope with repeatedly losing it? 😐🙂🤭 🤣
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Browning banana for scale
 
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If it helps I'm pretty sure they're just making it up.

But yeah, I struggle with this too. An identity seems like a shell that the hermit crab of our soul uses to fill out hello my name is tags, how do people settle on just one, and is it even possible to keep hold of one for long enough to constitute a sense of permanence? And if its nothing more than a mask you don to hide your face from the world, what does that mean when you have more than one face? What is the difference between an alter and an identity, what makes one more real, or socially acceptable, than another outside of the logical considerations of actual harm? I dunno stranger, but I think about it a lot.
They are making it up, but it seems like that's the point... ? Juxtapose to a sense of meaning.
 
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