[SP] ISFP with Developed Ti

[Xena]

Btw, my phone is acting up...ghost touching is becoming a huge problem. I might have accidentally reported a post...I saw the screen pop up saying that a post was reported, but I have no idea which one my phone may have selected. Sorry in advance.

 

[Xena]

Great, thanks for those examples. I was wondering if I am a 6w5 if that may be the reason I research so much. If it's something I'm interested in, I tend to soak up as much as I can about it...sometimes not even acting on my knowledge, but it's there when I need it.
Like when I had a fish tank and learned all about the nitrogen cycle, what types of species lived harmoniously with others, plants and live rocks...fish diseases.... so I went into my obsession knowing how to set it up for the best chances of success and mitigate problems should they arise. That sounds like Ti to me, but maybe I'm completely wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[ChocolateMoose123]

Something I noticed about how you describe you sensitivity/emotion is very inferior Fe. You're analyzing your feelings. Why you feel this way? Why this upsets you? Why am I this emotional over x?

It's detached. It doesn't connect value to it. It just is an overwhelming feeling and it sounds perplexing to you, but not unpleasant (my assumption while reading) but not fully making sense.

That seems very familiar for a Ti dom actually getting in touch with Fe. It's why you use Fe defensively - meaning if someone is upset about something, you'll usually acquiesce?

Fi doesn't acquiesce. It may be polite but it won't do something that undermines a value/ideal held highly even it is means hurting someone's feelings.

Then again, your example was so benign.

Is this hightened sensitivity recent? Last couple years?

 

[Xena]

I analyze almost everything though...and I can get stuck picking out every inconsistency trying to reach the holy grail of complete understanding.

With most of the more overwhelming emotions, I'm aware of whether or not it feels safe to express them, and if so, I will. But around other people, when I feel the emotion coming, its like a tsunami and sometimes whether you build a dam or not, nothing will hold it back. It's during those times, around people I don't want seeing me cry, that I'm like "oh sh*t it's coming! I can't let them see me like this. Quick, distract yourself to make it go away!"

I don't know if it's values or not when I do what I do... someone left trash in the parking lot and I picked it up because it hurts our environment.... is that a value?
Some guy at work helped me with ordering a patient's test, but he had a duplicate in the system. If we left the duplicate it would accidentally get the patient drawn a second time unnecessarily. The guy helping me told me not to worry about it, but I just went ahead and canceled it anyways because I don't think he understands that it could add to the patient's suffering.

Besides, I don't trust his judgement since when we fix instruments or troubleshoot in the lab, he doesn't seem to be super sharp.

 

[ChocolateMoose123]

I analyze almost everything though...and I can get stuck picking out every inconsistency trying to reach the holy grail of complete understanding.

With most of the more overwhelming emotions, I'm aware of whether or not it feels safe to express them, and if so, I will. But around other people, when I feel the emotion coming, its like a tsunami and sometimes whether you build a dam or not, nothing will hold it back. It's during those times, around people I don't want seeing me cry, that I'm like "oh sh*t it's coming! I can't let them see me like this. Quick, distract yourself to make it go away!"

I don't know if it's values or not when I do what I do... someone left trash in the parking lot and I picked it up because it hurts our environment.... is that a value?
Some guy at work helped me with ordering a patient'a test, but he had a duplicate in the system. If we left the duplicate it would accidentally get the patient drawn a second time unnecessarily. The guy helping me told me not to worry about it, but I just went ahead and canceled it anyways because I don't think he understands that it could add to the patient's suffering.

Besides, I don't trust his judgement since when we fix instruments or troubleshoot in the lab, he doesn't seem to be super sharp.

Has this emotional dam type thing you describe always been a part of you?

Or is it recent in some years that you notice it?

 

[Xena]

If someone is upset about something, I get scared...so I just try to avoid saying anything offensive.
If im in a group of women that are espousing values like that good ole' boy type of mentality, I've blended in, not saying anything bad against people myself, but not sticking up for what I think is right either... I'm just doing that to avoid conflict or being judged. It's a very chameleon like quality..but I don't take on their values.
I've been sensitive my whole life. Very affectionate with my loved ones... i remember cutting up a worm when I was 4 to dissect it then I felt bad and kissed each of it's pieces before putting it back outside. My first movie I cried at was E.T. when he started dying and they took him away.
I didn't have any Fe though...I was sensitive, but I didn't know how to do interpersonal skills like Fe seems to be able to do. Even now, I don't know how to comfort someone, what to say, or how to negotiate compromises very well. I still have to ask my ISFJ mom what should I say or do in situations that require those types of skills.
I think being as sensitive as I was felt like a curse growing up because I always got my feelings hurt so easily. And I couldn't just take it in stride like my INTJ or ESTP brothers. Even my ESFJ sister didn't take things in as deeply as I did when it came to emotions.... her Fe skills are amazing though.
Its hard for me to compare myself to another ISTP because the only one I ever knew, I didn't know super well. He was pretty much the poster-child for an ISTP though....
And whenever I meet an ISFP, they're usually the active artist type, which really isn't like me either.

 

[Xena]

Has this emotional dam type thing you describe always been a part of you?

Or is it recent in some years that you notice it?

Always...but got more self-conscious about it the older I grew. My mom took me to a psychologist when I was 7 because I would cry so often. I told her how confusing I found the world. How upsetting it was to have no friends and for kids to treat you bad. And I was still probably trying to heal from the loss of my grandma. And my step-dad using physical punishment on me felt like it injured me emotionally so much worse than even the physical part...and he hit hard. It got to the point where if he even threatened to spank, I would break down and plead for mercy. So that's probably why I cried all the time. I've never really been diagnosed with anything other than dysthymia and anxiety.

I can count on one hand the times I've seen my mother cry, so she really didn't understand how to help me learn to cope with the world.
Because of the sensitivity, I'll just avoid things if I think there might be a high chance of me crying around people. I hate when movies make me cry too, because I feel like they're manipulating my emotions..

 

[Xena]

I also hate bringing up topics that touch on those very sensitive areas because of all the pain they bring up...even though I've worked to process them...I can still feel the pain.
My Infp ex (4sx) used to love to get those types of reactions out of me. And I'd come away feeing exhausted and need to numb out to recover, while she can just get back to normal after her periods of intense emotion. Maybe that's an Fi-Ne difference...or a 4 quality.

 

[ChocolateMoose123]

Always...but got more self-conscious about it the older I grew. My mom took me to a psychologist when I was 7 because I would cry so often. I told her how confusing I found the world. How upsetting it was to have no friends and for kids to treat you bad. And I was still probably trying to heal from the loss of my grandma. And my step-dad using physical punishment on me felt like it injured me emotionally so much worse than even the physical part...and he hit hard. It got to the point where if he even threatened to spank, I would break down and plead for mercy. So that's probably why I cried all the time. I've never really been diagnosed with anything other than dysthymia and anxiety.

I can count on one hand the times I've seen my mother cry, so she really didn't understand how to help me learn to cope with the world.
Because of the sensitivity, I'll just avoid things if I think there might be a high chance of me crying around people. I hate when movies make me cry too, because I feel like they're manipulating my emotions..

Thanks for your answers. I know we spoke in PM and there is so much that you mention that resonates strongly with me. I'm SLI, same tri-type as yourself.

I know you're E9 tho and I can see that in conflict avoidance.

The things you described as touching, sentimental? I would agree with and I may even tear up at hearing or thinking about them deeply, but I can't relate to having emotions that are as frequent as you describe and as powerful.

Have you looked up information on HSP's?


Do you think that you may be, and that is overshadowing type?

 

[ChocolateMoose123]

I also hate bringing up topics that touch on those very sensitive areas because of all the pain they bring up...even though I've worked to process them...I can still feel the pain.
My Infp ex (4sx) used to love to get those types of reactions out of me. And I'd come away feeing exhausted and need to numb out to recover, while she can just get back to normal after her periods of intense emotion. Maybe that's an Fi-Ne difference...or a 4 quality.

I'm sorry. I share that trauma of childhood abuse. It took me a while to get into feeling anything, really. Then when I did, it was overwhelming but it was more sadness, pain, for my situation. It was hard to empathize with others. That was very difficult to learn.


So, I'm reading this and don't wish you any pain but I am wondering if you have had any counseling for that history? If this is too personal, just tell me so. Or PM if you desire.

I just know pain always catches up and trips you when you run ahead of it.

 

[Xena]

The things are not always past related that I find touching. They're often conceptual...that transcend what's seen on the surface. Things like altruism, humanity, unconditional love, when you see the good in people come out...
Things that hurt me the most are suffering.. my uncle posted a video on FB that where some guy was running over a dog multiple times on purpose while the dog was trying to bite at the tires as the car ran over him. That was back when I had autoplay on my feed. I saw that and I swear to god my kids and my ex saw me and thought a relative had died. I was sobbing... and the picture kept replaying in my head for days. I told my uncle to take it down because I was worried someone else would see it and be traumatized like I was.


I am HSP. I've known about that for years now and it explained why I didn't like being touched too much, always had to wear sunglasses outside, sounds could get too loud really quickly... but I think I've also got the emotional HSP aspects as well. I'm not sure if it could obscure type or not. Me being HSP is another major reason my ex thinks I'm an INFJ. And I've searched online before to see how common an HSP ISTP is, and from what I found, it seems almost non-existent. But ISFP's were represented in the HSP population, albeit much lower numbers than the NF types.

 

[Mal12345]

It's possible. Yes, Ti is inherently at odds with Fi,

How so?

 

[Xena]

Thank you for being considerate... I have had counseling around the past pain I suffered, I've even went through some EDMR treatment to process through those early memories that seemed pretty horrible.

I think it's a blessing I don't have Si and think about the past much...I'm really focused on moving forward, but I understand that if you're just looking forward, you'll carry those same wounds with you into the future. So they need to be dealt with.

I didn't feel like counseling was all that helpful to be honest. After the first session and I spill my guts, then I've released the emotions...so the motivation to keep going and working through stuff just isn't there. I've persisted for months before, even though I didn't feel like it was helping because I wanted to give it a chance. I think I've learned more helpful stuff from understanding the enneagram and analyzing the types of those around me more so than anything the psychologists have said.

I never had any issues with empathizing with people. I think I can do that too much some times, so I end up being a doormat. People frequently underestimate me...but I think that's my own fault for not speaking my mind when transgressions first happen.

 

[Mal12345]

The things are not always past related that I find touching. They're often conceptual...that transcend what's seen on the surface. Things like altruism, humanity, unconditional love, when you see the good in people come out...

That's Ni-tertiary, not Ti.

Things that hurt me the most are suffering.. my uncle posted a video on FB that where some guy was running over a dog multiple times on purpose while the dog was trying to bite at the tires as the car ran over him. That was back when I had autoplay on my feed. I saw that and I swear to god my kids and my ex saw me and thought a relative had died. I was sobbing... and the picture kept replaying in my head for days. I told my uncle to take it down because I was worried someone else would see it and be traumatized like I was.
I am HSP. I've known about that for years now and it explained why I didn't like being touched too much, always had to wear sunglasses outside, sounds could get too loud really quickly... but I think I've also got the emotional HSP aspects as well. I'm not sure if it could obscure type or not. Me being HSP is another major reason my ex thinks I'm an INFJ. And I've searched online before to see how common an HSP ISTP is, and from what I found, it seems almost on-existent. But ISFP's were represented in the HSP population, albeit much lower numbers than the NF types.

You're thinking in terms of types instead of functions. If you see NF as Ni/Fi, with Ni in the tertiary position, then it's easier to understand how you can be HSP.

 

[Xena]

That's Ni-tertiary, not Ti.



You're thinking in terms of types instead of functions. If you see NF as Ni/Fi, with Ni in the tertiary position, then it's easier to understand how you can be HSP.

What you said makes a lot of sense. And I agree with tertiary Ni....for sure. I think that's why it was so easy for me to come to a conclusion on the Ni/Se axis was because it was in the middle conscious part of my function stack. I "see" Ni quite a bit in perspectiving and following conclusions to their culmination... but definitely not to the degree an NJ could.

I had a hard time "seeing" Se in me because I tended to love introverting way more than anything else. But it's obviously there in how the present supercedes the future when making my choices...it's why I'm so impulsive.

The infp ex had to take over grocery shopping because I would blow the budget...I hate budgets. I would try to be good and make a list, but if opportunities came up to grab something on sale, or the kids wanted a favorite food...I would take advantage of it.

I see the Fi/Ni looking more like Fe because it feels I'm always projecting how someone would feel in a certain situation. I think this is why I would have been a good actor, and I see that side come out when I play with my kids.

 

[Allywally]

Isn't Ti for ISFP the demon function. It's something they don't like. Unsual for ISFP to be high Ti.

I quite agree with this statement. Logic is the enemy

 

[Xena]

I don't like logic when it comes to my values, in those cases, I do what feels right even if it doesn't make sense..... but I do tend to assimilate information in a Ti way...and I seem to be using it when I fix things IRL.

 

[Verona]

Do you think Dario Nardi's research is accurate? Do you think it is between ISTP and INFJ for you because of your test results? Or do you not agree with the results?

 

[Xena]

Do you think Dario Nardi's research is accurate? Do you think it is between ISTP and INFJ for you because of your test results? Or do you not agree with the results?

I believe his findings are accurate. That I do favor those regions, because when I read about them, it described the ways I tend to use my brain most often. And I do agree with the holistic starburst pattern because I'm able to figure out things pretty quickly, and I'm not even sure how it happens...it just comes to me.

What I disagree with are the mbti conclusions. He wasn't saying that I was for sure those types. All he can show are correlations. And the sample size is limited. When I told him I didn't think I was Ni dominant, but I learned intuitively, he said that many people underestimate the influence of the tertiary function on type. He said he has had the occasional ISFP, ISFJ, and a left-handed ESFP show a starburst pattern....those people typically were either left-handed or in creative professions. And the starburst pattern wasn't as strong as mine.

I'm thinking what may be going on is that I'm actually a 6w5 ISFP, so I tend to use more of the analytical regions of my brain. That's where I put most of my effort.... the wiring looking like an introverted feeler makes sense because as we get older, those strong pathways don't require as much focus in order for us to be strong in them. It's like driving....we don't even have to think about it after awhile.

He said it was common with people in my age group to have our brains show effort in areas of the brain that tend to be the opposite of our type. In my case, the feeling part was the foundation, and the thinking part is something I've strived for.

Sorry, I think I'm just rambling at this point.

 

[Fun in the Sun]

Type theory is kind of confusing and doesn't make a lot of sense. I know I can be logical, but I give up my other strengths when I am, kind of a trade off.