And this. I really had no idea what to make of most of this whole post, but if nothing else I may as well clarify that mostly I was hoping the ridiculous ‘burning suns’ exaggeration (had it done its job and been funny) would extinguish any drama by being so ‘over the top’ it would be making fun of unnecessary drama before it even happened. Clearly that didn’t work. ...
If I really believed you hated us I wouldn’t have made the comment and I wouldn’t have brought your name up at all. I generally stay the hell away from people who clearly dislike me.
I'd like to believe that's true. But my bullshit meter just had an epileptic fit.
One thing that makes it hard to believe is that your whole argument boils down to "leave state alone, he's right about Salomé, she's evil and we know this from experience", from which the "she hates us with the power of a thousand suns" absurdity follows quite naturally. Unless your entire post was a joke? (Which, of course it is, in one sense.)
I'm prepared to accept you were being hyperbolic, (in addition to completely wrong) but since when was the employment of hyperbole an effective means of
defusing drama?
I don't know which is more distasteful, your sad attack, or this sadder retraction...
The irony is, that it is you who consistently disparage NTPs. Come to think of it, in all of our exchanges, it has been me, defending myself and/or my type against your ill-judged attacks.
I suppose that's not so much ironic as entirely predictable...
We all have our own reasons for disliking others. I'm sorta inclined to think there's just as much (if not more) potential for self-examination in looking at who we 'hate' ourselves, especially where that feeling is particularly strong.
Yes. Quite.
I am probably going to regret writing this, however, I have to somewhat "take up" for the INFJ's in this case. Especially all IXXJ's.
As an INTP, our dominant function is a judging one.
Regret it because you are wrong? Quite possibly. Of course, you may not be INTP either. If you were, I suspect what I am about to say would be self-evident to you.
It is wrong to categorise INTPs as Judgers. It is a fallacious misreading of the properties of type. One can only be J in relation to the world of external things. That's what it
means! It means you extrovert your judging function.
Ji is not like Je. To be Ji dominant is to turn one's judgement and critical faculty inward, while remaining open to new information and changeable circumstances. To be Je dominant is the opposite of that. Je uses judgement as a defence, Ji uses it to navigate, while always remembering that "the map is not the territory". Despite our interest in models, (or perhaps because of it) we do not as frequently fall victim to the fallacy of misplaced concreteness. (I use "we" loosely). We don't mistake our impressions for Truth.
INTPs do not like premature closure or quick judgements. We like to keep doors open. We have feline instincts. If you close a door a cat will develop an insatiable curiosity to know what is on the other side. They do not like escape routes to be closed off. INTPs are the same. (It's why we often become hackers - we don't like closed doors and derive great satisfaction from opening them.) But. We are critical above all else. We do not accept anything on face value. Everything is subject to rigorous scrutiny and testing. That might look like being judgemental, it's not. It's kind of the opposite. It's because we do not trust judgement (our own or anyone else's) that we are so rigorous and strive to be so objective. All theories are speculative. All conclusions are tentative. All models are provisional. The only thing one can say with certainty is whether or not a system is internally consistent. So that is what we focus on. We often arrive at understanding via a process of elimination. And we do not try to impose (the working model of) our world view on anyone else.
I do relate to a knee-jerk "No" response. That's not about being quick to judge either. I don't do this because I know immediately that I don't want something (I rarely know), I do it to allow myself the
space to decide. It's about not wanting to be trapped by someone else's schedule. To say "yes" to one thing is to say "no" to everything else. It closes off other options. To reject it leaves the door open to revision, whilst not committing oneself to anything. I am unhappy to commit to future engagements, precisely because I want to remain open to changing circumstances. So again, your conclusion is based on a misunderstanding.
Of course people are illogical. That's doesn't mean logic doesn't exist or cannot be employed by humans (with varying degrees of success).