Hello everyone! In this interview, I got a chance to talk to Heather and Holly about their similarities and differences as standard and jumper ESTJs. We started with Heather, who is the standard ESTJ, explaining her compulsion to narrow things down as soon as she is presented with information. Heather said that chaos is not a huge problem, it's more of a nuisance but nothing she can't deal with. Holly, who is the jumper ESTJ, talked about wanting the new and having trouble narrowing things down. Similar to Heather, she doesn't like chaos either but she's more in touch with it seeing as she is an ExxJ-ExxP. We then got into the topic of Fi and they talked about feeling like a bad person if they try to do what they want. So instead, they try to mold themselves to the tribe which ends up badly because they blow up later for not being able to be themselves. They also discussed the differences between blast and consume. Heather talked about just wanting to get started while Holly wanted to keep gathering new information because she feels she doesn't have enough. Mainly, Holly said she doesn't want to get caught by the tribe not knowing something so she goes to gather more information which ends up being a vicious cycle. We also discussed values and how as ESTJs, building themselves is actually more important than building in one specific career path. Watch this interview here: