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[INFJ] INFJ use of Fe

FemMecha

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To the INFJs on the forum, how would describe the way you relate to Fe?

How would you describe the way you relate to people in general with strangers and acquaintances?
Do you want them to like you or feel hurt if they don't?
How much effort do you invest in pleasing them?
How much of yourself do you change to create peace or approval?
How do you feel when they are hostile or reject you?

How would you describe the way you relate to people you could generally call friends and acquaintances?
How much effort or personal change do you invest to seek approval and peace?
How often do you host or initiate social gatherings?
Do you feel comfortable socializing and communicating in a group of friends?
How effectively do you manage groups of people?

How would you describe the way you relate to people in your inner circle?
How does your behavior differ with these people compared with strangers and acquaintance friends?
 

Fidelia

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Hey! Just saw this. Will be back to answer in the morning.
 

Polaris

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How would you describe the way you relate to people in general with strangers and acquaintances?
There isn't really any specific way that I relate to people in general other than wishing them well.

Do you want them to like you or feel hurt if they don't?
The vast majority of the time, yes.

How much effort do you invest in pleasing them?
Not enough effort to make me exhausted; enough effort to get positive results.

How much of yourself do you change to create peace or approval?
I naturally adapt to my social setting in order to achieve a comfortable balance between approval and self-expression (with approval typically getting more weight), and the difference between me in one case and me in another case can be drastic. It doesn't feel like I'm being artificial so much as it feels like I have a flexible persona.

How do you feel when they are hostile or reject you?
When people are hostile towards me, it feels like a nightmare if I'm at all close to them.

How would you describe the way you relate to people you could generally call friends and acquaintances?
This varies quite a bit. What is appropriate with one friend may not be appropriate with another.

How much effort or personal change do you invest to seek approval and peace?
My personality can change a lot in order to get me approval and peace, but it doesn't feel like an effort. It's natural to me.

How often do you host or initiate social gatherings?
Never. I don't have enough acquaintances near enough to me to do anything like that.

Do you feel comfortable socializing and communicating in a group of friends?
I'm not very good with groups, because I have social anxiety disorder.

How effectively do you manage groups of people?
I'm never really in a situation where I have to handle a group of people, so I don't know.

How would you describe the way you relate to people in your inner circle?
I think I relate in a very normal way to the people in my inner circle. I'm less censored with them, and I feel closer to them than I do to strangers.

How does your behavior differ with these people compared with strangers and acquaintance friends?
I have a sense of their boundaries, and so there is not very much testing to be done, unlike with strangers or mere acquaintances.
 

FemMecha

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Yay! People are responding! I was going to tag people, but then didn't want to forget someone. I'm really curious to see responses in part because I think I'm pretty set on my function order N-F-T-S, but am not clear about introversion/extroversion of each function. I'll respond at some point, but I'm looking forward to seeing what others say.
 

Fidelia

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I'm pretty open to people generally, although I tend to watch for little signs in their response that indicates how much we have in common, what sort of information I'd share with them, how akin we are and so on. People who don't know me well don't see my sense of humour or playful side nearly as much as the people I'm quite comfortable with. If people look ill at ease or are quieter, I am very comfortable being more extraverted. If I'm in a big group or if certain people are domineering, I tend to withdraw a bit. Most of this is unconsciously done.

It used to bother me worse when people didn't like me. I'm more likely now to evaluate factors about them and about even how much I care about their regard before feeling badly if they don't respond the way I expected to me. Mostly there's information that we're missing when people respond badly. I've also learned that if you openly express your opinions, more people will like you and more people will dislike you. The response is more polarized. I used to present a more blank canvas that people would project their own imagined perceptions of me onto, or else just think of me as kind of blandly nice. I don't know that I still give them enough to work with when I'm unsure of my surroundings, but I at least understand the problem now. Mostly it doesn't bother me if people whose regard isn't important to me dislike me.

I used to bend over backwards to accommodate while still fuming inside at times at people's lack of reciprocation. I did this because I found their unpredictable negative response to my boundaries or preferences was harder to process than my predictable inward response at having to overaccomodate. It wasn't that I was a doormat, but that I wanted to conserve my emotional energy for something that I valued. I'm working now on getting better at stating my preferences more, as I think it gives people a better idea of who I am, I'm not making decisions for them, resentment builds up less, it creates a much more equal dynamic that makes the relationship more sustainable, and it's only through being presented with the unexpected that you can get better at processing what to do faster, which overall will conserve a lot of energy and make me more flexible and well rounded as a person. Otherwise, I'm always trying to project exactly what to expect and how I will respond to it and if it is unexpectedly negative (as opposed to having expected a negative response), then it is distressing because it makes me doubt my navigational skills in perceiving the world correctly.

Overall, I'm not afraid of conflict, but probably do hold back parts of myself depending on the person, if I care how they respond or what they think of the thing that matters a lot to me, because it by extension feels like they are passing judgment on my taste or ability to discriminate and I don't want to feel hurt or angry at them. I am not great at convincing people something that has value to me is important or interesting, but it hurts me if I share it and they unwittingly tromp on that offering of vulnerability to them. I'm quite good at confronting or holding the line if it seems like it's going to be necessary for the health of the relationship or to be able to effectively continue in that particular environment, but I prefer to agree and usually would not highlight differences with other people unless there was a reason compelling enough to outweigh the discomfort of doing so.

I find hostility and rejection devastating with people I love, anxiety producing with people who have power or influence in my life, and frustrating if it skews others' opinions of me unfairly, but overall, I don't really feel like I can change myself for other people and I don't want to (other than the normal things that annoy them or are issues I need to address, etc).

Friends and acquaintances are important to me, although I am sporadic in connecting with them. Usually if they just remain at that level, it is because we don't have enough common ground, live too far apart, our lives are too busy, or they are not interested in the friendship going deeper. I'm pretty open with people, as long as I feel like they are asking for information for the right reasons. I don't really enjoy a lot of superficial friendships or large groups to manage. I generally like people slightly more extroverted than me, but who do not have to be in the spotlight all the time. I tend to follow other people's lead too much, rather than setting the course or suggesting things. I've realized over time that this too is a way of avoiding being shot down or feeling vulnerable if people reject my suggestion or proposal, because it feels like a rejection of me. Probably I need to get used to doing it more, till it feels like less of a big deal. I generally am fairly easy going though about what we do or where we go, so it's easy to fall into going with what they'd like, particular when they are often more extroverted. My default for going out for an evening or to a new proposal is no, so I appreciate people who can convince me to try new things or get me to do something because I usually am happy once I've committed to doing it. I just don't like trading something I know I'll like for something that could go either way, especially in times when I'm busy and don't have a lot of down time.

I don't invest a ton of effort in seeking approval from them, but I probably don't say all I could in the interests of peace. I think people can sometimes sense that though and it may come off as judginess or shyness when it is neither. I probably initiate or host about 1/2 to 1/3 of the time. Really it depends on the person and where we know each other from and the dynamic. I'm pretty hospitable though and our family has a constant stream of company and visitors. I feel pretty comfortable socializing and communicating in a group of friends, although it depends on the dynamics between everyone and on how well I know the different people in the group. I have no problem thinking of conversation. It's more whether my way of interacting suits them. I'm not so good in groups that require juggling varying dynamics or a large group conversation or an activity that I don't value. I'm good at managing groups of people in a school setting with kids. I think I find it harder with peers and so usually stick with smallish, like minded groups, even if each smallish group may be quite different from one another. But I know my role within it. I have a hard time really letting loose till I don't have to monitor myself and what my job is etc.

The people in my inner circle are very important to me. I want to connect with them in every way possible and preferably be in daily connect. I tend to panic a bit if the pattern of communication (even if less frequent than daily) suddenly changes without explanation. There are few questions from them that I wouldn't answer if asked. I want to be known and understood by them and know them in return. I have very few people in this category. If they do not want the same degree of closeness, or if they withhold information that they would share with other people they know less, or if they change suddenly, I find it hard not to feel deeply rejected, so much so that I find it hard to even talk about with them. At the same time, I think I'm pretty low maintenance and am very nurturing and accommodating if the people around me tell me what they need from me. I would prefer for them to be straight up about their needs and I find it hard not to hover if they won't tell me what's going on with them when they act uncharacteristically, even though I'm not a clingy person. I don't do well with ambiguity - I like knowing the terms of our relationship, the other person's expectations or wishes, etc. I find it very distressing to be in conflict with them. Sometimes I find it hard to be honest with them if I think I will disappoint them or if they will respond in a way that I will feel hurt by, so my first instinct sometimes is to withhold information. In later years though, I've been experimenting with really being vulnerable and stating my needs, the things that hurt me, resolving conflict, etc but when it works, it builds such a sense of closeness and trust. I trust that process, however uncomfortable, more than I used to, but still recognize that with some people there are limitations or factors that they are unconsciously pushed around by that make it hard to be totally naked emotionally with each other. I find it easier to open up to people who will not respond in a very emotional way but who are committed to hearing me and being a part of solving whatever is going on. To be in my inner circle, most people have to know how to listen in a way that doesn't scramble my own emotional signals, as I often have a hard time determining the degree to which I myself feel something or what I need. I really need someone to be able to make room for my emotions, and in doing so, I actually take up much less space with them than when they or I try to suppress them or rationalize them away. People who do that for me are the most valued people in my life.

I am much more physically touchy with people in my inner circle. I like to be close (even outside of it being a romantic connection). With friends and acquaintances, it really would depend on the person and how they approached me, whether I would allow them into my space beyond what normal social interaction requires. I might cry in front of people in my inner circle, which I wouldn't voluntarily do in front of others. I probably would call them on their stuff and also state my preferences more with the people in my inner circle. With the others, I'd just accommodate or avoid them as needed if I didn't think the potential conflict was worth it. I would be very verbally appreciative and specific about what I value or like in the people in my inner circle and would also regularly express love towards them. I might talk more openly about some things to my friends and acquaintances because the stakes are not as high as they are in my very inner circle relationships, but generally I'd prefer to be open with the people I'm closest to. I take more chances socially with the inner circle people and might display a surprising snarky or racy sense of humour and more playfulness. I like having pet names or jokes or sayings with those people - stuff that distinguishes them for the history they have with me and for their importance to me. I would prefer to share the same basic beliefs or important values with the people in my inner circle, although it doesn't always work that way. The more we have in common, the easier I find it is to share who I really am without fear of what their private opinions about it are.
 

Jellyfish1234

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How would you describe the way you relate to people in general with strangers and acquaintances?
Hmmm. I think I just try to see things from their point of view. It's rare I'll get offended or annoyed by a stranger/acquaintance because I'll realize that from their point of view they were probably justified in whatever they did somehow. I'll usually watch them and pick up on things about their personalities - or at least think I do - and use that to speak their language in a sense. Sometimes I go into the realm of lying and being fake just so I can get on with them in the conversation and make them feel as though I'm like-minded even when I'm not, though, because I hate conflict and if it's just a stranger then I'll probably just nod and say "yes" so as not to get into a disagreement.

Do you want them to like you or feel hurt if they don't?
Yes. Even if it's a complete stranger, I feel hurt if they seem to take a disliking to me. I feel like a bit of a failure.

How much effort do you invest in pleasing them?
If it's just a stranger or acquaintance I won't go to huge lengths, but I'll just make sure I'm agreeable and polite - just want to get the conversation over without struggle.

How much of yourself do you change to create peace or approval?
I won't go against my values or do something I think is dangerous/wrong just to fit in, but I'm fine with just pretending I agree with someone just for the sake of it because I don't want to upset them and it doesn't really matter anyway. If I think my opinion will matter or make some difference then I'd stick with it, but if it's just a general casual pointless conversation I'll probably just nod along and try to fit their 'vibe'. But if there's something silly like wearing certain clothes to fit in or using certain words to fit in, I'll sometimes purposefully not because I don't like the idea that I'm being controlled.

How do you feel when they are hostile or reject you?
Upset, and have to convince myself that I wasn't being unreasonable or a failure, they were, but it's not easy for me to do that.

How would you describe the way you relate to people you could generally call friends and acquaintances?
If they're my friends I'll probably know them quite well and so can use my perception of them to understand their take on things and why they did the things they did/why they think the things they think, but I probably wouldn't invest that much effort into relating to them if they're just acquaintances, but I'll understand where they're coming from and make excuses for them for any behaviour I might initially consider wrong. I'll usually feel different from them, because they're different people to me, and I'll feel a bit like sometimes I'm in a bit of a different realm to them, but that's obviously not true and is just me feeling as though I'm alone in my quirks I suppose.

How much effort or personal change do you invest to seek approval and peace?
Nothing major. I'm not going to get down on my knees and change my being just for approval and peace, and I certainly won't be a "sheep" and follow stupid trends just to fit in. The most I'll do is be polite and if I feel it's unnecessary to cause any kind of conflict/disagreement, I'll just please them and pretend I agree, even if I don't. With closer friends who I'm more comfortable with I'll likely just say when I disagree with something because I know we're not going to get into any actual conflict, just a discussion.

How often do you host or initiate social gatherings?
Never. I don't think I have any desire to, and never have.

Do you feel comfortable socializing and communicating in a group of friends?
If they're people I consider friends, then yes, as 'friend' to me means someone I feel comfortable with.

How effectively do you manage groups of people?
Hmm. It depends. Online I've managed groups of people before and I've always done well because they've liked me and respected me for respecting them and I've managed the group by talking to them as a friend and not bossing them around, but I've never done it IRL, and I don't think I'd be very good at it because I'm too nervous and shy to feel comfortable managing people. Plus I'm a bit of a dimwit and am not good with carrying out tasks and managing things in the real world.

How would you describe the way you relate to people in your inner circle?
I don't think I really have an "inner circle" who I share everything with, I do have a couple of friends who I consider to be my best friends though, and I relate to them by understanding who they are because I've spent time with them and analysed them (unintentionally) and gotten a good feel for how their minds work and what goes on beneath the surface - their motivations etc. So I don't struggle relating to them at all. They're my kind of people too, so I don't feel as much of an alien with them, because we're all a bit quirky.

How does your behaviour differ with these people compared with strangers and acquaintance friends?
I am much more comfortable with close friends. I'll feel free to make stupid jokes and do stupid stuff without (much) fear of the reactions. I'll feel comfortable opening up to them if I'm upset, which is rare for me to do, and I never do it with strangers/acquaintances/not-very-close-friends. I'm much more open about what /I/ actually think in a discussion. I'm more happy. Whereas with strangers I always feel as though I'm walking on eggshells, terrified of doing something to make them dislike me, but at the same time unwilling to lose myself just for them to like me, like so many of my peers did at school. I was the one kid who refused to wear his uniform in the "cool-but-against-the-rules-way", and I wasn't disrespected for it because I'd befriend anyone who would find my behaviour a bit strange. I was the one who refused to not wear a helmet on a bicycle, because as far as I was concerned, I'd rather be an alive wimp than a dead cool kid with no helmet. I refused to follow my brother's stupid friends in doing dangerous things or going against the law, and didn't care whether that made them hate me. I just wanted to know I could be liked by sensible people, and if I found them to be idiotic, as often kids are, I'd just not really care. Nowadays I'm a bit more concerned with people liking me and a bit more concerned with offending total strangers, but I'm not /hugely/ concerned with it - as long as I have my close friends to back to at the end of the day to make it all seem unimportant now that I was safe with them, I won't be too upset if I offend a stranger, but I do get upset. Not that long ago I cried because my landlord seemed annoyed with me for losing my keys. And the other day a man was a bit passive aggressive to me and made me feel stupid, which upset me for an hour or so. Anyway, I seem to have gone off topic. I'm more comfortable and feel as though I don't have to follow so many rules and be so worried about offending or irking anyone when I'm with close friends - being with strangers is stressful. I'm a bit tense and wanting to seem totally completely normal and agreeable when with strangers, and probably come off as very dull but nice, like a dog who will just listen and never offend you and wag their tail, but with close friends I can just relax and have fun.

If I decide I'm ISFJ, I'll try to let you know so that you can discard this.
 

Hypatia

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What Fe?

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I'm fucking waiting for my Chinese food right now, that's Fe to you.

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What the fuck, that was supposed to be two posts! Not this scary robot auto-correct again. That is not what I meant.
 

Lily Bart

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Fe usually comes pretty easily, till I get bored and lose my stride, so to speak. With people I don't know well, I usually relate well to them. I'm not hurt if we don't hit it off, but I get irked if they don't use good manners and at least try to relate to me. Some people are controlling and some are jerks and I just go with the flow because nothing changes about who I really am -- they just never get to see it! With people I'm close to I can relax and be a little more caustic and also discuss things that really interest me rather than just being polite. They also allow me to "introvert out loud" if that makes any sense. I find it very stressful when issues arise with people I'm close to -- how do I remain true to myself and yet honor how they feel? I really hate having to deal with such things more than anything. With people I'm not close to I can just walk away, but not with people I'm close to, even if I really, really want to! I used to host events a lot -- I love entertaining, but people just don't reciprocate anymore so I tend to confine hostessing to a smaller circle of friends (who frankly don't reciprocate much either, but I enjoy their company, so it's worth it). People seem to respond well to being managed by me, but it gets to be a bother having to deal with all the personalities and trivialities, so unless it's something I'm highly motivated to do (or I'm working with a highly motivated group), I tend to avoid it. As is often noted about INFJ's, I can appear to really like someone or something one time and seem to have absolutely no interest the next time (drives my husband nuts: "but I thought you really liked so-and-so. You seemed to be having a great time!). I guess it's the act of experiencing rather than the experience itself that attracts me, if that makes sense.
 
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