[MENTION=9627]Chawie[/MENTION] showed me a logical proof recently that 'confirms' the existence of a supernatural realm
i am thinking it is a bit like Kant's noumenal realm, but I couldn't quite make out the final points, so i'm not sure
so far as i'm concerned - yes, existence is natural and nature is existence
Yeah, anything that exists is natural.
Although people commonly use it to describe something not caused/created by humans. I think maybe we subconsciously separate ourselves from everything else (nature). But that's an illusion.
But I'm asking if everything is natural, including man-made things.
I dont agree that everything that exists is natural, but how are we defining "natural" to begin with?
Consciously or subconsciously. Do you know what artificial selection is?
if the universe is to be taken as a set, and all within no more than a subset, yes, all is natural
even man-made objects originate dependently from what precedes their creation
bacon said something like, "chance exists so far as the human will does"
and that is where the load-bearing wall lies, with this argument
Yeah. I don't think artificial selection should be considered unnatural. Just a consequence of our existence.
"Natural" means "existing in nature."
What if no human will exists? Does chance then exist?
I feel we will discover more to the nature of chance, these coming few decades.
What does it mean for something to be natural?
Does existing in nature entail that something is natural?
I'd say something free of intervention.
See above. A human could run an experiment on some mice and mutate some genes to run an experiment. These mice are not natural.
What is the nature of nature?
Aren't you a hard determinist?!!?