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Infps are perfectly capable of reason before their 20s. Mbti is about preference. Otherwise, no ixfps would ever make it through school. Everyone uses all the functions. I could be good at using Ti but have an innate preference to make decisions on my own values anyway.

The problem with this is they are about different things. Enneagram is about what motivates us; mbti is about how we prefer to process. Enneagram is why; mbti is how. Enneagram is about our deepest unconscious fears; mbti is surface level how we deal with the world.

I beg to differ but will leave it at that. It is up to people to find out about their personality type and I am not going to dictate them their type.

I offered my viewpoint. It is up to people to accept it or reject it. But my conviction remains the same.
 

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Infps are perfectly capable of reason before their 20s. Mbti is about preference. Otherwise, no ixfps would ever make it through school. Everyone uses all the functions. I could be good at using Ti but have an innate preference to make decisions on my own values anyway.
Yes. The ability to reason, just like the capacity to feel emotion, are human qualities experienced by any/all types. It is true that we tend to get better at what we prefer, because we reach for it more often and may be more comfortable developing it. Sometimes circumstances lead us to develop our lesser preferences just out of necessity. Gender expectations, for instance, often lead male F-types to act in more T-like ways. I have known plenty of INFPs, male and female, who have no problem applying logic to situations when they think it is a good or necessary approach. This includes a university student I mentored in engineering, who was as good as anyone else at what would be considered the "thinking" aspects of the job. His perhaps uncommon type for the field gave a whole other dimension to his overall presentation, which made him a real breath of fresh air in our group. This is a good time for a reminder about the pitfalls of typing based on behavior. Any type can behave in any way. We need to consider the how and why of it to get more reliable insight on their type.

The problem with this is they are about different things. Enneagram is about what motivates us; mbti is about how we prefer to process. Enneagram is why; mbti is how. Enneagram is about our deepest unconscious fears; mbti is surface level how we deal with the world.
The two systems are independent, and efforts to map the one onto the other are not very satisfying or helpful. Each system should be able to describe a person independently of the other. Of course when you divide all humanity into 9 or 16 boxes, there will be considerable variation within each one. Looking at the other system can account for some of these differences. For instance, INTJs with enneagram core 1, 5, 6, 8, and 9 will be different; just like core 5's who are INTJ, INTP, INFJ, etc.
 

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Interesting view. May I ask you to give a guess about me aswell?
 

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I toyed alot with your test because I really like it. So far I never could get my first result after careful reading everything again and to go deep inside myself evaluating each decision. There were no big differences just minor and here is the result.
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Does this help?
 

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I toyed alot with your test because I really like it. So far I never could get my first result after careful reading everything again and to go deep inside myself evaluating each decision. There were no big differences just minor and here is the result.
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Does this help?

Ok, its still a monday in the US so here am I on the right dayXD! Even though for Germany it is no longer monday and neither where I live, but for this forum its the US that counts. You are at Germany, right?

Well, anyway... Discussion is hot, this is one of the longest type me threads ever, I might join the discussion later or just leave it, but for now I will just focus on your type with the info you have been posting - from 5 pages and up I just read your posts and not others.

Well, looking at everything at the same time - HEXACO, my own test, the characters relationship, first post, cognitive function tests, and that is a lot of things! But first I need to post the HEXACO conversion, which goes as:

MBTI

ISTP 0.96
ESTP 1.02
ESFP 1.04
INTP 1.19
ENTP 1.34
ENFP 1.36
ISFP 1.44
ESTJ 1.57
INFP 1.58
ISTJ 1.58
ENTJ 1.66
INTJ 1.68
INFJ 1.70
ESFJ 1.76
ENFJ 1.89
ISFJ 1.92

Enneagram

E1 1.33
E5 1.33
E7 1.33
E9 1.36
E8 1.48
E6 1.51
E3 1.53
E4 1.54
E2 1.55

MBTI/Ennea combined


1 - ESTP 9
2 - ISTP 7
3 - ISTP 9

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Lowest numbers are the closest to you. In yellow there are some combos which I have some reasons to think that they might not exist or maybe they do - the ones I am secure don't exist are in blank already.

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So for enneagram there is a tie between 1, 5, 7 and 9.
However, as I explained on my yesterday's post (for US time), that leads to 9 - like a 9 with some elements of 1, 5 and 7.
So enneagram 9 seems pretty conclusive for me, based on first post observations plus HEXACO.
The character connection showing up 7, 9, 6 and 4 sort of tells the same story a bit.
About tri-type in specific, you were already picking yourself and I can say that 9-7-X seems to be the best according to both HEXACO and characters.
9-7-2 in general leads mostly to EXFP.
9-7-4 in general leads mostly to XXFP.
9-7-3 diverges, XXXP.

So for MBTI at first things really did strike to me as being inconsistent - aka you self-report differently, at the beginning.
However, my first observation of "you don't seem to have a preferring function" strikes higher.
I have saw some Sakinorva test results and, although I never had build references, your functions seems less differentiated there. I mean, they are more close to each other - Ti, Fe and Fi are basically the same, Ne and Ni are similar, Se is slightly higher than Si, and that means that your Feeling and Intuition are purely ambivert - none of them seem to have any E/I orientation, while S barely has an Extravert orientation that is not useful to be counted, while Ti>Te which suggest you are more "Te/Fi" axis (but using proper theory that doesn't lead to anything if you are not a T or a F dom).
The differences between your functions is lower - people in general show up with higher differences on that test than you.
Per Sakinorva, you seem to be N>F=T>S, that would be your stack, simply a N-dom, but that does not match with my test, which gives a F>N=S>T for you.

While in HEXACO you seem like a T-dom, due to low emotionality and slightly lower agreeableness mainly.

The thing is, well, since the difference between your functions is low - it is hard to spot anything on your first post, sakinorva seems low - it would be expected that your type can change conform to the test. I mean, if one has less differences on the functions, one is expected to be a F-dom, T-dom or N-dom depending on how functions are defined - when somebody who has more of a clear preference might score higher or lower depending on the test definitions or day but it would still get the same dom. function over and over again. I, for example, after you convert the functions to Ne+Ni = N, Se+Si = S and goes on on the cognitive functions test, I got N-dom every single time in years, even on times where Ti or Fi or Ne happened to be the highest and I got quite different types because of that - from INTJ to ENFP.

There is one thing on my test is that not only uses wider definitions (which actually gives more security) but it gets back to some classic definitions of Jung... And they change a bit.
On Jung's feeling, and I have followed that way, feeling is a judging function where one judges and selects things by whatever the person likes or does not likes - the person judgment process is related to what the person values (what they like) and what they don't value (what they don't like). Value here does have nothing to do with ethics - that was post-addition, and I think I barely used on that test.

Jung said:
Feeling is primarily a process that takes place between the ego (q.v.) and a given content, a process, moreover, that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection (“like” or “dislike”).
The process can also appear isolated, as it were, in the form of a “mood,”regardless of the momentary contents of consciousness or momentary sensations. The mood may be causally related to earlier conscious contents, though not necessarily so, since, as psychopathology amply proves, it may equally well arise from unconscious contents. But even a mood, whether it be a general or only a partial feeling, implies a valuation; not of one definite, individual conscious content, but of the whole conscious situation at the moment, and, once again, with special reference to the question of acceptance or rejection.

But how many of cognitive function tests uses feeling definitions on this way?
Well, I only stop to think about today, and I think the answer is none (only my test and it isn't a cognitive test, but rather a Jung typology test with functions - no cognitive).
That might change the results a bit, although since I am being wide I am less prone to these kinds of things, so people doesn't have much to complain about big mismatches because of definitions.

I think you also mentioned earlier that you usually take different types depending on the test with some good variety of types - more than 4.

So, yeah, I believe that the whole MBTI system might disserve you for one reason: you don't seem to have really a more straight function type and you seem to be an ambivert; Which in other words just "blow" the whole system. However, I may say sorry to you because I am not a 100% sure of that, for one reason: My own test is supposed to flag when that happens with the undifferentiated type. Your first time just having F - Feeling type may indicate already less differentiation, but not fully. So I am not really sure about that - you may be self-report differently from each test, although I can't say that with much clarity because the differences are not high and only HEXACO got facets... Or you may be less differentiated yet my test is underestimating that, or maybe the tests may have too much unlike definitions between each other - like the differences of meaning on "value" for feeling.

Jung sees this in a bad way - he allowed for such cases but he does not have a positive light about them. However, on HEXACO, there are some more clearer trends and I just have observed in other cases and test results that some people might show up as less differentiated in one system and more on another - people with no function type but with a clearer Big 5 type and vice versa, I never took note but I remember spotting a few.

Just today you sort of let me inspire to ask myself: Is there a way I can measure or try to measure which system serves a person best? I reached the conclusion that for Big 5 with facets, HEXACO with facets and MBTI with facets such comparison is possible, but that would demand you to do even more tests - Imma sorry if I ask too much but I don't know, you seem to be on great humor and having great fun taking them? So if ya wanna I could evaluate which of these 3 serves you best - you would need to do a IPIP Big 5 test, from here:

Personality Assessor | IPIP-120 Personality Test
(short version)

Personality Assessor | IPIP-300 Personality Test
(long v.)

And MBTI with facets:

mbti form q

Now speaking of combos, MBTI/Ennea combined at the same time... I think that EXXP 9 are the most interesting ones for you to considerate, ESTP 9, ENTP 9, ENFP 9 or ESFP 9. However, any dominant function here is weak - think of a weak Se or weak Ne as dominant functions. Just remembering: You are a Perceiver in both 1st post text, Im pretty sure as dichotomy and that is true on HEXACO as well, you just may sometimes show up as a J for cognitive function test because Ni may show up sometimes, there is the risk of Si and Fe sometimes showing up, although these should be rarer. These types are relatively rare as far as I remember - so they won't show up much combined in characters quiz due to not much characters with these combs existing.

I think this is the far as I can suggest for both enneagram and MBTI. Sorry for not being quite conclusive or not being able to add much from what I previously said in the end. For now on, at best I can evaluate, with the facets, which of these: Big 5, HEXACO and dichotomy MBTI serves you best.
 

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I was (and still am)excited to see your post. It doesn't matter when but just that you did.
I know the thread went big so fast and I guess it's just something I needed aswell as getting your insight.
In the past when I did something like this I got 3-6 different results, some explanation and still was confused.
So you are helping me out a lot.
Your chart and your insight are really interesting. I've read the Estp and esfp text the first time and there are for sure some things I can relate to but entp and enfp was already before the whole questioning here relevant for me so for sure there are things I can relate to aswell.

While I also can relate to some istp things they strike me to much as practical doers and there were alot of things I couldn't agree with but maybe it's just different with a 9.
Your Point about EXXP seems interesting aswell and I considered it aswell but always thought I have intuition on the stronger side but the real good discussion with yeghor showed me that I may be wrong.

Regarding the tritypes the funny thing is besides 972 I was going to also write 974 in my post but saw 972 slightly higher.

As you may have already noticed I am glad and excited to do both test you mentioned and here are the results:

Personality Assessor | IPIP-300 Personality Test

Screenshot-20210511-090140 — ImgBB

I'm really looking forward to your next post and if you ever need a person for testing some of you theories and concepts who probably get some weird results then just text me :)

Edit: I found this link
Funky MBTI in Fiction — Enneagram 9: The Peacemaker

and if the descriptions are right then ISTP ESTP and ESFP sounds very good. ENTP aren't so far either and ENFP I have a bit trouble to understand.
 

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I was (and still am)excited to see your post. It doesn't matter when but just that you did.
I know the thread went big so fast and I guess it's just something I needed aswell as getting your insight.
In the past when I did something like this I got 3-6 different results, some explanation and still was confused.
So you are helping me out a lot.
Your chart and your insight are really interesting. I've read the Estp and esfp text the first time and there are for sure some things I can relate to but entp and enfp was already before the whole questioning here relevant for me so for sure there are things I can relate to aswell.

While I also can relate to some istp things they strike me to much as practical doers and there were alot of things I couldn't agree with but maybe it's just different with a 9.
Your Point about EXXP seems interesting aswell and I considered it aswell but always thought I have intuition on the stronger side but the real good discussion with yeghor showed me that I may be wrong.

Regarding the tritypes the funny thing is besides 972 I was going to also write 974 in my post but saw 972 slightly higher.

As you may have already noticed I am glad and excited to do both test you mentioned and here are the results:

Personality Assessor | IPIP-300 Personality Test

Screenshot-20210511-090140 — ImgBB

I'm really looking forward to your next post and if you ever need a person for testing some of you theories and concepts who probably get some weird results then just text me :)

Edit: I found this link
Funky MBTI in Fiction — Enneagram 9: The Peacemaker

and if the descriptions are right then ISTP ESTP and ESFP sounds very good. ENTP aren't so far either and ENFP I have a bit trouble to understand.

I am not really sure their descriptions are really much accurate - I read the ENFP and INFP and I wouldn't strongly argue against them except for the tertiary except that they don't actually tell much.

Ok, I did it here...

First, that Big 5 result is friendly to type 9 - the normal type 9 looks exactly like that except with more Agreeableness and 9s are a little bit introverted rather than ambivert.
I put the Big 5 result on my own Big 5 converter to MBTI and it had this order of results: 1 - ESTP, 2 - ESFP, 3 - ISTP, 4 - ISFP, 5 - ENFP, 6 - ESTJ, so anything below ESTJ is to be taken out of consideration from this converter cause you are surely a P.
So in general it does points towards ESTP 9, which is an unusual combo.
The main reason for why I put ESTP 9 in yellow was dichotomy - there is no conflict between 9 and Se dom, but there is a bit with 9 and EXTX types, but these relies mostly on ENTJ and ESTJ, ENTJ 9 I am secure it doesn't exist, while ESTJ 9 is extremely unlikely.

So I measured which system did fit you best, from HEXACO, Big 5 and MBTI dichotomy, traitly speaking. HEXACO was the best, MBTI was the 2nd right after and Big 5 in 3rd was the worst.
Let me first explain because it is easy to understand what is "the principle" behind it. I will explain by an example that is unrealistically simplified but explains well.

Lets construct an Extraversion dichotomy of two words: Talkative and Outgoing. In my own definition for the example, Extraverts are talkative and outgoing, just that.
So on a self-report test, you can have a "I am talkative", "I am outgoing" and you can mark Much Agree, Agree, indifferent, Disagree, Much Disagree, and these gives origin to the dichotomy "Extraversion".
If you mark both indifferent and one of them much agree and the other much disagree, these are entirely two different cases where Extraversion has the same score. In the first one, you are neither talkative nor outgoing. On the second one, you are simply a talkative that is not outgoing or a person who goes out often and is silent.

When you mark both talkative and outgoing at the same level - and that what Big 5 and HEXACO does expect and MBTI too - then the dimension "Extraversion" exists for you, since they are synchronized with each. If, however, you mark them on the opposite sides, then they are completely out of sync - that means that this dimension does not exist for you, there is no such thing as "Extraversion - talkative and outgoing" for somebody who is silent and outgoing. So the dimension fully does not exist here - 100% of disconnection. While if they are perfectly marked on the exactly same level - such as both 'Agree' - they have 0% of disconnection.
Randomly, as a matter of simplification and due to me not wanting to get deep on the math, I intuitively estimated that by chance, a random results for talkative and outgoing in long term would in average get a 50% disconnection - basically the same disconnection for agree and disagree.

The same thing can be applied for multiple questions on an essay and this can be applied to the facets. So, when the facets of one dimension goes back and forth on high or low for someone who is on the middle of that dimension, there is a big disconnection, so that dimension/factor doesn't exist for the person. If, however, all facets are on the middle and the dimension is on the middle, the dimension 'exists' and its on the middle. You can do that to any level even though there is a natural tendency for the facet to exist for those who are on the extreme sides of it.
So a 50-100 means big disconnection above random average - basically, that dimension have a weak coherence for you.
25-50 is ok.
0-25 means that the facets are quite connected and on synch (rigorously these are not the right words here, but I will use them for the sake of simplicity).
(actually, its 0.5-1, 0.25-0.5, 0.00-0.25, these are percentages)

Although this is more for trait theory and is incredibly valid for Big 5, this is a little bit less valid for other typologies who also uses other things than just trait. But even Jung typology cannot deny traits, even Jung expects traits to correlate between each and be synchronized for each person, such as being internally oriented and being cautious, both Introversion aspects in Jung, so a person who is externally oriented and cautious would be a "desynch".

So now that I explain, here are for every test:

MBTI
Extraversion Existence 0.29
Intuition Existence 0.44
Thinking Existence 0.21
Judgment Existence 0.18
AVG Existence 0.28

Big 5
Extraversion Exist. 0.43
Agreeagleness Exist. 0.38
Conscientiousness Exist. 0.26
Neurotic Exist. 0.23
Openness Exist. 0.50
AVG Exist. 0.36

Honesty-Humility Exist. 0.13
Emotionality Exist. 0.17
Extroversion Exist. 0.25
Agreeableness Exist. 0.34
Conscientiousness Exist. 0.36
Openness Exist. 0.19
AVG Exist. 0.24

Just for reference, from about 40 people on BIg 5, the AVG. Exist is 0.33. From about 50 on HEXACO, the AVG. Exist. is 0.26.
If we look at Big 5 Openness and MBTI Intuition, they are very close to 0.5 meaning that for you the dimension of Openness-Intuition, except on the HEXACO, barely exists - so the definitions of N/S may not suit you well (this can really get controversial for those who believe that the functions exists universally for a 100% of people).
But the HEXACO Openness can be the best replacement for N/S and it indicates sensor for you.

If we look at E/I, on all systems its all right and on the middle, so there is such a thing as E/I for you and you seem to be an ambivert.
If we look at T/F, individually it seems to exist, while for the related to T/F on the other systems - basically emotionality and agreeableness - it seems to exist as well, and, well, as we see on the other results it seems you are more on the middle of it.

Dichotomy J/P seems to exist for you and consistent with P on each system.

Agreeableness and emotionality and neuroticism seems to apply to.

So, basically, this doesn't change my EXXP 9 & ESTP 9 suggestion at all, Big only seems to reinforce it. However, you will have a very hard time seeing your self as Se-dom, Ne-dom or even in Ni-dom and Si-dom if you consider and if you go by trait route (its almost impossible to define these without defining traits, but there might be a person or two who might claim they can do) because your N/S "doesn't exist much" or you go back and forth on the highs and lows of it.

So, yeah, I think this is finally all I got to say.

PS: Self-report are not always reliable and the truth.
In my own example, I did behaviour big 5 test and figured that I terribly self-reported for agreeableness and tried to adjust it later. Agreeableness for Big 5 initially did work terribly for me - 0.72 on my first test ever from years ago 0.4 and something in general, but that I could say it was bad self-report.
I also do have issues with Big 5 Openness as well - mine also goes back and forth - but I don't have with HEXACO Openness and MBTI Intuition.

EDIT: [MENTION=40271]mancino[/MENTION] and [MENTION=39780]noname3788[/MENTION].
 

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Just wow..

First I want to say thank you for anyone who helped me a bit here on my journey. I learned alot just through discussing. Because of all of this talk I kinda found out why I made some decisions in the past and I'm sure I have a better knowledge on what to do in the future.Thank you [MENTION=20531]yeghor[/MENTION] for finding out about my existing sensing which I did not sense :D and of course all the anime and gaming talk. [MENTION=35566]Luminous[/MENTION] for giving me alot of insight about MBTI and tritypes aswell on various topics. [MENTION=32874]Vendrah[/MENTION] for doing a scientifically research with me on a lot of different personality tests without getting anything physical in return. (let me know if you need something). I invite all of you and other people to discuss even further if you want.

[MENTION=32874]Vendrah[/MENTION]
My last impression was ESTP 9 aswell but I didn't know with your yellow text if it really could exist. Especially the "thrill seeking from ESTP but minus risktaking from 9". Maybe thats why I though 9w8 could fit better than 9w1. I totally get the point with talkative and outgoing. Thats something I asked me myself.
I'm so relieved to finally end this journey, which os of course just the start of a new one :)


Really nice community here on typologycentral.com


Have all a wondeful day and life!

Fukuro
 

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It was a pleasure discussing with you! Take good care of yourself! :)
 

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Just wow..

First I want to say thank you for anyone who helped me a bit here on my journey. I learned alot just through discussing. Because of all of this talk I kinda found out why I made some decisions in the past and I'm sure I have a better knowledge on what to do in the future.Thank you [MENTION=20531]yeghor[/MENTION] for finding out about my existing sensing which I did not sense :D and of course all the anime and gaming talk. [MENTION=35566]Luminous[/MENTION] for giving me alot of insight about MBTI and tritypes aswell on various topics. [MENTION=32874]Vendrah[/MENTION] for doing a scientifically research with me on a lot of different personality tests without getting anything physical in return. (let me know if you need something). I invite all of you and other people to discuss even further if you want.

[MENTION=32874]Vendrah[/MENTION]
My last impression was ESTP 9 aswell but I didn't know with your yellow text if it really could exist. Especially the "thrill seeking from ESTP but minus risktaking from 9". Maybe thats why I though 9w8 could fit better than 9w1. I totally get the point with talkative and outgoing. Thats something I asked me myself.
I'm so relieved to finally end this journey, which os of course just the start of a new one :)


Really nice community here on typologycentral.com


Have all a wondeful day and life!

Fukuro

Wow that was a quick journey from our point of view.

I did read now the discussion and, well, I may diverge too much to discuss it.
I mean, as you noticed I had quite different conceptions from community in general.
I mix typologies and for me that helps not only to "see the big picture" but also to spot their flaws, which sometimes make me quite critical, specially for the enneagram. I am also not much charismatic and a good bunch of things lose their magic when it comes from my words.

Have a wonderful day and life too, liked how polite and "sympathetic" and open (more on a politeness way than on an empathetic way) you were here!

And think positively: ESTP 9 can be considered quite of an unicorn on the combos, maybe soo much unicorn to even be painted in yellow by me XD!
 

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Yes very very quick. On a sidenote I looked up in personality database to find a ESTP 9 and there I saw Aladdin from 2019 (with Will Smith in it) and I totally see me in him (Aladdin) even if he is mistyped.
The Personality Database | Personality Types for Famous & Fictional People
I also loved Aladdin as a kid. Totally forgot about him. And in yeghor's gamified mbti I can see me more in a berserker as in a Paladin. I really liked the playstyle in diablo.

Thank you for your compliments :) . Totally could relate to your scientific approach and you made it easily understandable for me. I liked it and I loved your personality test. I also can see why it is good to mix up things.
 

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Yes very very quick. On a sidenote I looked up in personality database to find a ESTP 9 and there I saw Aladdin from 2019 with Will Smith and I totally see me in him (even if he is mistyped).
The Personality Database | Personality Types for Famous & Fictional People
I also loved Aladdin as a kid. Totally forgot about him. And in yeghor's gamified mbti I can see me more in a berserker as in a Paladin. I really liked the playstyle in diablo.

Thank you for your compliments :) . Totally could relate to your scientific approach and you made it easily understandable for me. I liked it and I loved your personality test. I also can see why it is good to mix up things.

In your first post, you said you had these enneagram results:

6 years ago Recent Difference

Typ 1: 10,11% 14% 40%

Typ 2: 6,74 % 11% 50%

Typ 3: 8,99% 12% 40%

Typ 4: 7,87% 9% 15%

Typ 5: 11,24% 13% 15%

Typ 6: 13,48% 9% 50%

Typ 7: 12,36% 9% 40%

Typ 8: 13,48% 6% 120%

Typ 9: 15,73% 17% 10%


If you identified with ESTP, I would expect you to be strongest in enneagram 8. It deviated by 120% percent in two tests and is not your strongest in either. Type 2 attitude also deviated by 50%.

Type 9, 4, 5 scores seem to have the least deviation when compared in both tests. That would make you tritype 954, ISTJ or ISFJ.

Will smith's Genie character comes across a bit less serious and more fun oriented than an ESTP, an ESFP perhaps. They seem to have typed Genie as ENFP on several sites so ESFP for him is plausible.

ESFP = ISFJ turned inside out. ESFP would be boastful and loud and action/fun oriented like dancing, drinking, partying to excess. They would get bored if they stayed indoors for long. This does not fit with your narrative about your lifestyle.

Are you seeking partying and dancing everyday or every once in a while. What is more important to you? Solitude and calm, or seeking out fun?
 

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Yeah and I had a enneagram test with 7 as the highest aswell(and then 9). I didn't mean the character genie. I mean Aladdin himself just mentioned the movie where will Smith also is in.
The point is no I'm not seeking to party and dance everytime but I seek constantly fun but I also want solitude and calmness. I really like excitement but do I have to go to a party for that? My party age is long over. You could be totally right with ISFJ but what Vendrah says just makes so much sense for me if ESTP and enneagram 9 fusion together. ESTP alone is not me but ISFJ alone is not me either. I really don't think that Si is my strongest sensing ability. I'm also kinda carefree and live in the moment.
Your argument that I should have Ti is very good. I then instantly thought that it had to be in second position because its not something that I recently developed. I also liked the thing where you mentioned I'm more sensing and that Se is more aggression. So I think SeTi with underdeveloped Se and higher Fe and Ni could work.
Like I said I could be wrong but for me it's making more sense in my logical world. So I'll go with that but I hope I did not offend you in anyway. There is always more than one truth depending on the point of view. Maybe my view will change because once in a while I tend to overthink some things and decisions. Right now I'm happy as it turned out for me.

Edit : really weird I thing on this test 8 is very high

Typ 1: 10,11% 14% 40%

Typ 2: 6,74% 11% 50%

Typ 3: 8,99% 12% 40%

Typ 4: 7,87% 9% 15%

Typ 5: 11,24% 13% 15%

Typ 6: 13,48% 9% 50%

Typ 7: 12,36% 9% 40%

Typ 8: 13,48% 6% 120%

Typ 9: 15,73% 17% 10%

So 9 >8>6>7>5>1>3>4>2 I see here and this test gave 9w8 6 years ago.
 

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Yeah and I had a enneagram test with 7 as the highest aswell(and then 9). I didn't mean the character genie. I mean Aladdin himself just mentioned the movie where will Smith also is in.
The point is no I'm not seeking to party and dance everytime but I seek constantly fun but I also want solitude and calmness. I really like excitement but do I have to go to a party for that? My party age is long over. You could be totally right with ISFJ but what Vendrah says just makes so much sense for me if ESTP and enneagram 9 fusion together. ESTP alone is not me but ISFJ alone is not me either. I really don't think that Si is my strongest sensing ability. I'm also kinda carefree and live in the moment.
Your argument that I should have Ti is very good. I then instantly thought that it had to be in second position because its not something that I recently developed. I also liked the thing where you mentioned I'm more sensing and that Se is more aggression. So I think SeTi with underdeveloped Se and higher Fe and Ni could work.
Like I said I could be wrong but for me it's making more sense in my logical world. So I'll go with that but I hope I did not offend you in anyway. There is always more than one truth depending on the point of view. Maybe my view will change because once in a while I tend to overthink some things and decisions. Right now I'm happy as it turned out for me.

Edit : really weird I thing on this test 8 is very high

Typ 1: 10,11% 14% 40%

Typ 2: 6,74% 11% 50%

Typ 3: 8,99% 12% 40%

Typ 4: 7,87% 9% 15%

Typ 5: 11,24% 13% 15%

Typ 6: 13,48% 9% 50%

Typ 7: 12,36% 9% 40%

Typ 8: 13,48% 6% 120%

Typ 9: 15,73% 17% 10%

So 9 >8>6>7>5>1>3>4>2 I see here and this test gave 9w8 6 years ago.

Bear with me please:

1) "I really like excitement but do I have to go to a party for that? " Se types seek out adrenaline rush in risky and extreme behaviour such as brawling, skydiving, gambling, drugs, speedracing, dogfighting etc. It signifies such an addiction for adrenaline. What did you use to do for fun/excitement before Covid and how often?

2) Tha actor looks like an ESTP and olsa Christiano Ronaldo a bit. Can you tumble like him, cause Se types have high kinestethics ability?


3) The other thing is enneagram 9 and 8 are like opposite attitudes, it is odd for both to come high. If you are sure you are an ESTP, your ennagram should be 8w9 instead.

4) What happened to the monk idea? Monks are not extraverted? They are into meditation and stuff?
 

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First I have to say I don't think I'm the stereotypically Estp. I think I'm not even stereotypical of any 4 letters. That's why I had trouble I guess. So EXXP 9 was a combination who felt good after the explanations and own research. ESTP 9 seemed closest but only in this combination. You state if I am ESTP I should atleast be 8w9 but I think that maybe is potential true for a lot of people but I don't think it's right on me.

You say ESTP has to be very risky which might be right but is a ESTP totally risky or maybe a bit risk-averse.
No getting adrenaline doesn't have to do anything with getting excited I don't know why it has to be. What I did was paragliding and climbing on a mountain but not for the adrenalin but for the new experience it gave me and sure not hot-headed without safety measurements. And it's not something I do regularly because then I would have pointed it out in my first post. I did many different things and sports so far. Always trying out if it's something fun for me.
If you just gave me the description of ESTP then I would say no but I would say it on any description.

Ehm.. Is the tumbling something special? Why should I could not do that? Is having great hand-eye coordination Se aswell? Because that's something I definitely have.

For the thing with 8 and 9 being high it was just on this test 6 years ago. On your test it was 957218 and another I don't have a picture it was 7 slightly better than 9 on vendrah's post it was 9571 tied. I'm just saying ESTP 9 without adding a wing because I'm not sure there.

Oh I really like the monk idea but I was searching for a class who is more a type 9 and Paladin isn't for me a 9. I think druids could possible be one too but I don't know what the other enneagram might be. With tryingto fit into the isfj idea I saw the monk better there than the druid. I only said could identify me a bit more not totally. OK I have to admit I can't totally identify with berserk. Maybe a calm berserk? 😅 Or a mercenary who gets hired but who doesn't do it for money but for the experience you get and the money is just a win-win (but still with having principles).

I'm neither extrovert nor introvert, ambivert fits here and I often thought so. ESTP+9 seem more introvert than extrovert. What I also learned with MBTI the last days were that e. g. ESTP means he is extraverted sensing and not that he had to be social extraverted. I guess that is what leads to many wrong stereotypes.
I'm not into mediation. I would get bored I guess. I'm just sometimes in my own world which could seem like meditation. So if meditation here is just being in the own head then yes that fits.
You see after all this talk I believe I don't fit in the mbti system like it was built. But If I take for example ESTP + 972 tritypes than it could be closer. Just saying closer and not completely fitting. I just can't say the same with ISFJ and 9 who in my eyes seems like selfless, giving, generous sweethearts...

To wrap it all up no I'm not sure that I am an ESTP but I guess ESTP 9 seems like the closest it can be and it feels right + makes sense in my eyes.
 

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First I have to say I don't think I'm the stereotypically Estp. I think I'm not even stereotypical of any 4 letters. That's why I had trouble I guess. So EXXP 9 was a combination who felt good after the explanations and own research. ESTP 9 seemed closest but only in this combination. You state if I am ESTP I should atleast be 8w9 but I think that maybe is potential true for a lot of people but I don't think it's right on me.

You say ESTP has to be very risky which might be right but is a ESTP totally risky or maybe a bit risk-averse. No getting adrenaline doesn't have to do anything with getting excited I don't know why it has to be.

What I did was paragliding and climbing on a mountain but not for the adrenalin but for the new experience it gave me and sure not hot-headed without safety measurements. And it's not something I do regularly because then I would have pointed it out in my first post. I did many different things and sports so far. Always trying out if it's something fun for me.

If you just gave me the description of ESTP then I would say no but I would say it on any description.

Ehm.. Is the tumbling something special? Why should I could not do that? Is having great hand-eye coordination Se aswell? Because that's something I definitely have.

SeTi (ESTP) — Type in Mind

Extraverted Sensing (Se) vs. Introverted Sensing (Si)

Personality Hacker | Your Personality Type

"Or a mercenary who gets hired but who doesn't do it for money but for the experience you get and the money is just a win-win (but still with having principles)." There's something here but I do not know what to do about it.

What are those principles?
 

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Funny enough I already read all the linked article which is one thing why I am not believing Si is my strong side.

The principle I mean is I would not take any job where I actively would cause pain or which I just don't like. That wouldn't be fun for me. Maybe adventurer would work too but an adventurer would be a bit more active for me and with more planning involved also I really would like to work in a group. I don't like working alone and as a mercenary atleast one would hire me. One other principle would be that if I don't like the person it would be very hard that I would let me get hired. Maybe I'm a bad mercenary🤔

I'll forgot to thank you in my last post because of you I had to google kinesthetic because I wasn't completely sure on the meaning. I found out about kinesthetic learning and that sounds very suitable to me and I might add that how to learn things better. I still have to read lot on that topic.
 

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Funny enough I already read all the linked article which is one thing why I am not believing Si is my strong side.

The principle I mean is I would not take any job where I actively would cause pain or which I just don't like. That wouldn't be fun for me. Maybe adventurer would work too but an adventurer would be a bit more active for me and with more planning involved also I really would like to work in a group. I don't like working alone and as a mercenary atleast one would hire me. One other principle would be that if I don't like the person it would be very hard that I would let me get hired. Maybe I'm a bad mercenary🤔

I'll forgot to thank you in my last post because of you I had to google kinesthetic because I wasn't completely sure on the meaning. I found out about kinesthetic learning and that sounds very suitable to me and I might add that how to learn things better. I still have to read lot on that topic.

What would/did make you like or dislike a potential client?
 

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That is something hard to describe. It could be his attitude towards me or maybe to other people. Where I dont have good "gut" feeling aswell. I know I would get paid so he dont has to be my best friend but what I don't like is bad vibes or a bad workling clima.
I want to have a good time and sure I will do my work what i have been paid to do but not for any price. If I made contract with the person and later it seems i misjudged him and I dislike him then I would try to barely fulfill my task as fast as possible to go somewhere else.

Its very difficult to just throw out some adjectives like being arrogant I think arrogance for example is not just on or off. It has many different nuances which could disturb me or not. One thing I dislike about "Paladin" was that they normally see the world in good or evil black and white.
I see a lot of different greys aswell. Sure I dislike some darker shades. Is ISFJ the same with black and white thinking?

Maybe I'm a better berserk/fighter companion because I'm not much in the material stuff (money in this case), but it would sure help me on my journey. Hmm I guess I like companion more because then i wouldn't be commited to something.

Edit: I want to eddit that ISTP 7 totally sounds fine for me aswell but I know that I'm a 9 so it hast to be ESTP 9
 

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That is something hard to describe. It could be his attitude towards me or maybe to other people. Where I dont have good "gut" feeling aswell. I know I would get paid so he dont has to be my best friend but what I don't like is bad vibes or a bad workling clima.
I want to have a good time and sure I will do my work what i have been paid to do but not for any price. If I made contract with the person and later it seems i misjudged him and I dislike him then I would try to barely fulfill my task as fast as possible to go somewhere else.

Its very difficult to just throw out some adjectives like being arrogant I think arrogance for example is not just on or off. It has many different nuances which could disturb me or not. One thing I dislike about "Paladin" was that they normally see the world in good or evil black and white.
I see a lot of different greys aswell. Sure I dislike some darker shades. Is ISFJ the same with black and white thinking?

Maybe I'm a better berserk/fighter companion because I'm not much in the material stuff (money in this case), but it would sure help me on my journey. Hmm I guess I like companion more because then i wouldn't be commited to something.

Edit: I want to eddit that ISTP 7 totally sounds fine for me aswell but I know that I'm a 9 so it hast to be ESTP 9

By companion, you are a sidekick to a hero?

ISFJ and ISTJ would depend on prevailing traditional moral values (customs or laws) to make judgments about what is good and what is bad and what is neither.

When was the last time you got a bad vibe from someone, can you tell what you noticed in particular in them and what kind of perception did it evoke in you?
 
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