I Was Supposed To Type You, Didn't I?

[Norrsken]

First of all, I want to say that I appreciate this question and in general that people are now trying to understand why I type ISFJ. I thought this day would never come to be honest but it's actually pretty touching that it has and what that means: people are trying to understand me. Which is all I have wanted for a very long time.

Anyway, if you meant what does it mean to me personally, the ISFJ type symbolizes how unattached to my ego my relationship to typology has become after so many years. It is the second or third type with the least social or whatever value (ESFJ is the one people really don't want to be, but ISFJ is pretty low on that totem pole too just because those descriptions don't appeal to the fundamental seeking for self and self alone of human nature) and I sort of feel like I am not someone who tries to make it any more conventionally beautiful but rather like it just as it is. Because it ironically lacking conventional appeal on paper doesn't signal that it lacks anything I consider important. Similarly, from experience (it could be argued that this is just projection then lol) it's like when people cling too tightly to an ostensibly less common type to justify their wrongness or their wrongness as signaling such a type, as I did with 4 when I was 18, they don't understand that in their conception that it is possible to be born special, you lose the chance to make yourself special with your own two hands. Which is a total travesty, because it leads to entitlement and excuse making/stagnation at it's worst.

None of which is to say we aren't all born valuable or that I don't understand/see legitimacy in using a type as a crutch on the way to healing. What I'm saying here more takes issue with narcissism than anything else.

I understand.

So if the ISFJ wasn't so low on that totem pole, would you still feel a natural affinity to that type? Which situations does the leading function Si come into play for you, personally? How do you make decisions with the Fe? Do you engage with Ti in times of relaxation and if so, how? What happens when your Ne comes out?

I can definitely see where you're coming from on this one. I don't think I ever actually act the way 9's are portrayed or thought of any time I'm not depressed.

As for ambition, I would actually say I'm ambitious. However, I'm not interested in money, power, or fame so I can see how it might look as if I am not. I like to be the best if I'm perfectly honest. Though I've never been willing to do things like slit people's throats or even cheat to get there.

Of the two below regarding enneagram 4 and their wings, which one is more you? Now that you mentioned this, I could see a balanced 4 in you better, but again, I want to gauge your reactions:

4 wing 3:
4 brokenness from a place of 3 marketability and extraversion
want to appear broken from a place of being still received by others, being beautiful or desirable in their signature way
more image-conscious, able to modulate themselves to others but feel inauthentic about it
an "aesthetic of broken," want to be seen for all their ugly parts and accepted, creating a dramatic presentation of shame
more outwardly "poor me," can seem outgoing rather than classically withdrawn, but will still have moments of withdrawal from area of instinctual shame
more of a drive to counter the 4 inferiority and go out and accomplish things, "I'll show them!"

4 wing 5:
​4 brokenness from a place of 5 hiddenness
less able to be likeable or extraverted, stuck in an existential black hole, nihilistic
more authentic because they are less able to modulate themselves for public consumption, that's their tragic circumstance
more gritty and less focus on being aesthetically beautiful, less friendly
can be more attracted to bizarre or grotesque subjects
less image centre, gauging their authenticity more on the self rather than others' perceptions

This is a very interesting and accurate observation. My bf's have all been sx/so. Thus was my poision and to some extent it still is
Though as I've grown older, I have become more attracted to sx/sp because they're the only ones who share my esoteric and focused romance style.

And not just in romantic settings, but what I observe from your forum activity is that even though you may come out disagreeing (or even outright arguing) with someone else in a more passionate way, more of than not the opponent is an sx/so or so/sx. I mean, maybe you've have had the same with sp firsts folks, I don't know since I am not the eyes and ears of this forum lmao. But I'll just say this, this might be personal, but since you appreciate rawness in people, I was really happy when you talked to me publicly on Discord when I discussed my experiences with the magpie situation and.. we both had a moment where we just talked and understood each other and for that, I will always cherish you for that. I think the people that bothers us the most at times are sometimes the ones we need the most, if that makes any sense.

But yes, I think I'm too restless, verbose, and emotive for sp/sx. They always strike me as very solid people, who are far less extra than I am lol. In terms of subtypes, sp 4 (endures pain silently) and sp 9 (concrete and has trouble verbalizing) both don't fit. But in sx 4 I identified with the vulnerable, watery version of 8 the description painted when I was 18 for a reason. And sx 9 fits best of all the e9 subtypes as well. Though I see what you mean here as well.

I feel like sx 9 people are hypnotically intense with their need to merge with people while the sx 4 is very outward with their suffering to a general audience. Yeah nah sp 4 and sp 9 both don't sound like you, I agree with you there. But out of the two, it is very hard to say since you both fit in there pretty well, then again if I really had to choose at gunpoint, I'd go with 9 because you have more control over your emotions than e4 folks tend to be.

Thank you for your insights and perspective. It was as interesting as I expected it would be. Also, sorry for the novel length response, I cannot mitigate or condense apparently haha.

It's quite alright, I'm just glad I could be of some help.

 

[Norrsken]

[MENTION=26674]Pluvio[/MENTION] my questionnaire answers:

classification bandwagon party

Hi! :hi:

H'okay, you are one funny man and I really love your answers on the questionnaire. A bunch of cognitive functions jumped out at me: Te, Fi, then Te again, Ni, Se (which I thought was in your aux), Se (but suddenly it sounded like an inferior function), and more Fi.

Your answers about inactivity made me think about the socionics Ni definition:

Introverted intuition is an introverted, irrational, and dynamic information element. It is also called Ni, T, temporal intuition, or white intuition. Ni is generally associated with the ability to recognize the unfolding of processes over time (how one event leads to another), have visions of the past and future, develop mental imagery, and see intangible hints of relationships between processes or objects. Types that value Ni always like to have in mind a specific plan for how their life will develop in the future. Thus they have little time for the concept of "living for the moment" or "making the best of the present". They generally engage in pure leisure activities only for short periods of time, and even then their leisure activities generally involve a psychologically demanding or competitive aspect.

Ni as Leading Function
As a base function, Ni generally manifests itself through a lack of direct attention to the world around oneself, and a sense of detachment or freedom from worldly affairs. This can lead to a highly developed imagination and very unique mental world, but it can also result in a great deal of laziness and apparent inactivity. Because the individual gets his or her primary information about the world through imagination, a person with leading Ni may be able to thrive in situations where data are scarce, or where he or she lacks the usual prerequisite experience. However, this may also become a disadvantage if the person ignores real data about the world too much. The ability to transcend the axis of time and understand the cause and effect relationships that occur is also a feature, sometimes resulting in the ability to accurately predict general future trends and outcomes of certain events.

Now, a lot of people have many differing opinions about the overall correlations between sociotypes and the MBTI type systems. The quote above does seem like what I would find if I were to go and research the introverted intuition in INxJ types:

Introverted intuition, also called Ni, is the ability to recognize patterns and foresee future events and possibilities extremely clearly. It takes in the information it receives in the present and forms conclusions based on implications and consequences.

So, it's safe to say that you are a Ni-dominant. Because I don't see any instances of Fe or Ti in your questionnaire answers, all I'm left is you being an INTJ. Your answers about unhealthy overindulges in food, drugs/alcohol, and etc kinda solidifies that you use Se in your inferior. I feel like INTJs are more likely to use harder drugs than INFJs, in a way.

Now, you are an incredibly strange INTJ. I hope that wasn't offensive of me to say. What I meant to say was that your intense obsession and being uncomfortable with anger/wrath/rage is something I would find in e6 and e9 types, both of which aren't usually found in the general INTJ population. Most INTJs, I come to find, are either e5 or e8.

Enneagram 9 Key Traits
​
Defence mechanism: dissociation, narcotization, forgetting
Over-adjustment and Over-empathizing: 9's unconsciously take in the ideas, positions, feelings of others as if they were their own so they lose access to their own agenda, merging, natural therapists (they will even merge with the types in their own tritype and wing, becoming a foggy less committed version of those types, can often mistype as one of their fixes or wing so as to identify with a more solid aspect of themselves)
Resignation: go along to get along, anger can bubble and fade, "why bother?", go with the flow, take things as they come, don't force it
Passivity/Easygoing: not demanding, stable, congenial; aggression comes in a series of passive avoidances; anger can unleash itself and the 9 blames external circumstances; won't react "big" enough to things
Indecision: procrastination, disconnected from internal guidance system, get stuck moving through unimportant details and can fail to see the big picture of what needs to be done
Being stuck: will get stuck in a peripheral task or thought process as a means of avoiding the need to assert head-on
Confusion: can see the multiple landscapes of their lives that surround them and walk through each comfortably, can find a little piece of themselves in each scene, hard to type themselves solidly; separateness of existence is blurred and so are thoughts, they become entangled
Deflecting attention away from self: can find it difficult to have too much spotlight on themselves, sometimes hard to articulate their own thoughts and feelings, will turn the attention back to you
Connectedness: feeling that somehow everyone and everything is connected due to the blurred body boundary, everything is water
Shadow/Lost self: unaware of their anger and aggression, afraid that if they release it they will become disconnected from people, prefer to keep the peace
Core fears: Conflict, being overlooked and ignored, being loveless, complication, discord, being shut out, inharmonious
Wants Harmony

Reading the e6 description, though, I know for sure you can't be a core 6 at all. You're wayyyyyyy too "idc" for that, if I had to put it down in such a elementary manner. I'd go with 9w8 for you:

9 wing 8:
9 calm and fluidity from a place of 8 grandiosity
9w8 is calm, and you're not, and that's you're problem; they have less anxiety about why others aren't calm
8 gives 9 licence to be as 9 as they want, there's no superego over being too 9
more dissociated and visceral, can be more mute
apathetic to things that are pointless, why bother

Also, your answer for number 16 was very interesting to me. When you are depressed, what do you think about? How do you feel?

16) What do you hope to avoid being? If it helps, describe a person who embodies what you avoid/you as a villain, ect.

I would like to avoid losing any curiosity or interest in the world. That's where I tend to go when I get depressed, and it's a miserable, pointless state of being.

I like your answer in question number 6 in regards to shame. Sounds 7-ish, in that they squash any negative emotions when it comes to fun. 7w8?

7 wing 8:
7 optimism and play from a place of 8 unapologetic "being"
lots more gut energy, can easily seem like 8w7
don't show signs of vulnerability or anxiety, not manic, more steady and grounded, less magical thinking
can be bratty and pushy, no superego influence
can be "savage" and sarcastic, less concerned with polling others than 7w6, more independent and "I don't give a fuck," cannot be "taken," not self-deprecating

Your distaste in people who value common knowledge and popularity tests are rejecting in both Si and Fe. ESFJ people should know better than to mess with you.

I'm putting your 9w8 in your sx.

SX 9: Merging with attraction, triangulation with people, not fully present to attractions, won't be firm on what they want, attracting and withdrawing, Dracula's mist.

7w8 in your so.

SO 7: Positive social role, fun, sparkly, not too serious

Overall, though, you sound so-blind. Sx/Sp.

Your heart type is kind of hard to find. You are pretty closed off in that regards to your questionnaire. Because of this, I can't tell if you have 2, 3, or 4 in your heart triad. Therefore, I can't give you a complete tritype reading. So far all I got from you is 9w8-???-7w8 Sx/sp/so.


Whew! Hope that helped a bit?

Gonna do more tomorrow, I'm getting tired.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Hi! :hi:

H'okay, you are one funny man and I really love your answers on the questionnaire. A bunch of cognitive functions jumped out at me: Te, Fi, then Te again, Ni, Se (which I thought was in your aux), Se (but suddenly it sounded like an inferior function), and more Fi.

Your answers about inactivity made me think about the socionics Ni definition:



Now, a lot of people have many differing opinions about the overall correlations between sociotypes and the MBTI type systems. The quote above does seem like what I would find if I were to go and research the introverted intuition in INxJ types:



So, it's safe to say that you are a Ni-dominant. Because I don't see any instances of Fe or Ti in your questionnaire answers, all I'm left is you being an INTJ. Your answers about unhealthy overindulges in food, drugs/alcohol, and etc kinda solidifies that you use Se in your inferior. I feel like INTJs are more likely to use harder drugs than INFJs, in a way.

Now, you are an incredibly strange INTJ. I hope that wasn't offensive of me to say. What I meant to say was that your intense obsession and being uncomfortable with anger/wrath/rage is something I would find in e6 and e9 types, both of which aren't usually found in the general INTJ population. Most INTJs, I come to find, are either e5 or e8.



Reading the e6 description, though, I know for sure you can't be a core 6 at all. You're wayyyyyyy too "idc" for that, if I had to put it down in such a elementary manner. I'd go with 9w8 for you:



Also, your answer for number 16 was very interesting to me. When you are depressed, what do you think about? How do you feel?



I like your answer in question number 6 in regards to shame. Sounds 7-ish, in that they squash any negative emotions when it comes to fun. 7w8?



Your distaste in people who value common knowledge and popularity tests are rejecting in both Si and Fe. ESFJ people should know better than to mess with you.

I'm putting your 9w8 in your sx.



7w8 in your so.



Overall, though, you sound so-blind. Sx/Sp.

Your heart type is kind of hard to find. You are pretty closed off in that regards to your questionnaire. Because of this, I can't tell if you have 2, 3, or 4 in your heart triad. Therefore, I can't give you a complete tritype reading. So far all I got from you is 9w8-???-7w8 Sx/sp/so.


Whew! Hope that helped a bit?

Gonna do more tomorrow, I'm getting tired.

Thank you for taking the time for such an in-depth analysis. I really appreciate your insights and knowledge. I hope you don’t mind if I repost your analysis in my typing thread so I can easily reference/reread it later.

 

[Lady Lazarus]

I understand.

So if the ISFJ wasn't so low on that totem pole, would you still feel a natural affinity to that type? Which situations does the leading function Si come into play for you, personally? How do you make decisions with the Fe? Do you engage with Ti in times of relaxation and if so, how? What happens when your Ne comes out?

I wouldn't say I possess a natural (or otherwise) affinity for the type or that I do so because it is low on the totem pole. Rather, I identify as it and accept it as is. (Because it is what I am.) Hence, my mention of not making it out to be conventionally beautiful or anything. It's a handy summary within the framework of my journey, a symbol. Though one that could be replaced with anything so long as the important part, the meaning remained. But of itself, I regard it neutrally. My apologies if my description of what it personally means to me made it seem that way.

As for my functions, I do believe I lead with Si in that I immediately internalize information/stimuli though I don't think this was obvious to myself at first because of how archaically I organize these things and how overburdened with subjectivity the process is for me. It almost seems as if the stimuli is forgone completely because I create weird extremely subjective impressions of it in my mind. In other words, I am incredibly subjective and see only the shadows of the flames on the cave wall. I think Si as per the popular conception is imbued with a Te empiricist flavor, hence that entire thing I've noticed about ISJ's being percieved as needing details and pieces in order to construct the whole. The rationalist flavor of Ti provides more fluidity and room for heuristics. I percieve that I create modular structures that I can easily use to skip over the minutae when the impressions contain similar pieces. Which is to say, that the atomistic building of the whole is what I have mostly seen from Te aux and doms, not Si doms or auxes. The only time I see it from Fe-Ti is when they are a 6 and therefore have security attachments to knowledge so, naturally gravitate toward more limited epistemic relationships via empiricism in order to ensure and have a way to confirm. But I don't think I am a 6. Further, I can see the manner in which I connect things is a manner arcane but not abstract. If I took proper time and effort, all of my impressions could be unpacked like Russian dolls, because the shadows belong to the flames and did not come from anywhere but the world of the concrete. Though they are not the object themselves like Se, that is clear. This metaphor, in its original context, makes Si out negatively but out of it's context as I am presenting it now it just illustrates my conception of it lol.

My making decisions with Fe was admittedly more obvious when I was younger and my Ti bled into/balanced it less (I have gained the ability of critical thinking since I was a teenager). But when I was younger, I would always look outward for the "right" answer or action from the objective then pursue it agressively, unquestionably, and fall back upon it when came time to defend myself. I believed there was a correct reality and way to be. I was often typed as a cp6 because I would react so strongly to external forces/pressures. I was not one step removed from them the way Fi doms and auxes are. In reality I was reacting to the lack of congruence (and not from internal values of themselves), which freaked me out as both 9 and Fe need it. This can still be seen to some extent in how meddlesome I can be, even when I appear to be passive sometimes I am in reality too sensitive to congurence/incongruence with the external to be truly passive. Fi is commonly associated with that sort of thing because Fe is percieved as only taking place in congruence. But Fe is really both sides of the coin directly. Fi is only secondarily concerned with that dichotomy, it's not directly concerned with it. That is, what I experience is my values as external and interacting/clashing with the objective structure of value thus demanding a reaction from me. Either convince/force congruence or give in (which can either be rebellion or alignment in reaction to the external but it's not trying to get people to agree with me).

Ti is my relief function, the one I go toward in times of great pain and distress. During the darkest period of my life (20- 22), I seemed to be incredibly detached and obsessed with subsuming everything to my framework (someone even told me "not everything has to make sense") because I was in such a stygian state that I had to detach from the correct narrative I no longer fit into and found relief only in destablizing everything I took for certain once a la the objective structures of Fe. I also looked the least Fe during this time because value judgements were subourdianted completely and instead I only picked everything apart. It looked almost like a Si-Ti loop in that all was information gathering, dismantaling, and integration into my own understanding of things.

My inferior Ne has a very disintegration to 6 flavor in that I create these very paranoid narratives for people with many branching possibilities of duplicity and ulterior motivations that I believe whole heartedly enough to act on them. It's not dismillar to the classic "1,000 worst case scenerios" portrait painted of inferior Ne imo. When I am in this mode I am making up possibilities that may not exist and if one doesn't fit, I have more.

Of the two below regarding enneagram 4 and their wings, which one is more you? Now that you mentioned this, I could see a balanced 4 in you better, but again, I want to gauge your reactions:

Based on these, I relate a bit to 4w3 but mostly to 4w5. So, I agree with your 4w5>4w3. I think competitiveness is just not uncommon for sx doms all things considered.

And not just in romantic settings, but what I observe from your forum activity is that even though you may come out disagreeing (or even outright arguing) with someone else in a more passionate way, more of than not the opponent is an sx/so or so/sx. I mean, maybe you've have had the same with sp firsts folks, I don't know since I am not the eyes and ears of this forum lmao. But I'll just say this, this might be personal, but since you appreciate rawness in people, I was really happy when you talked to me publicly on Discord when I discussed my experiences with the magpie situation and.. we both had a moment where we just talked and understood each other and for that, I will always cherish you for that. I think the people that bothers us the most at times are sometimes the ones we need the most, if that makes any sense.

I appreciate your rawness here indeed and when we spoke as well. I thought the fact that you gave me a chance to explain things spoke many good things about your character and so, I did not hesitate when you offered to be friends again. I liked your compassion and boldness therein. So yes, the feeling is mutual and it was a moving experience for me too. Thank you for that.

It does make sense and I can see what you mean.

 

[Norrsken]

Done!

1) Context:
a) What is your age range and general location (Country so that cultural values can be taken into account)? Do you have any impairments that may affect the way that you answer this questionnaire? Any religious or political beliefs (or anything else along those lines) that also might have an effect?

- Mid-twenties, West Coast region, U.S.A.
- Not that I'm aware of.
- Ehh...sort of, but they are personal.

b) Which types are you currently considering? Why are you considering them and why haven’t you decided on one?

ISFP, but I almost always test as an INFP now as I've grown older. Also 4w5 for the enneagram, or maybe 4w3 if social blind. Might even be open to 9 in some cases.

2) What do you deem as your purpose in life?

Being an artist primarily, while bringing a new, creative way of looking at the world through an artistic lens.

3) Of the seven deadly sins, which one(s) do you relate to the most and the least and why?

Most

Envy: It used to be pretty terrible, but over the years it's gotten better. I've trained myself to not give into it as much as I used to and to focus primarily on self-improvement.

Sloth: Still have issues here. Structure is a big one.

Least

Wrath: I seldom get intense bouts of anger.

4) Analyzing your relationships with others, briefly describe:
a) The type of people you are drawn to

Interesting, kind, humorous, eccentric, open-minded, clever, artistically interested people.

b) The type of people who are drawn to you

Outgoing people and Fe types. Not sure why. I guess they find me mysterious or something?

c) The type of people you are repulsed by

Rude, mean-spirited, conniving assholes.

5)What are the traits in others that you admire but you cannot emulate yourself? Elaborate.

Strong, fearless, ass-kicking women. Most of my biggest influences are women who display these traits. I'm unfortunately not as brave as they are and pretty lame in comparison.

Also admire the ever so humble e9 spiritual hippie guru types. They have this pure, innocent aura about them that's not overcome by jealousy, this ethereal groundedness that I will probably never amount to no matter how many kundalini awakenings I go through in this lifetime.

6) Describe your relationship with the following:

a) Anger: It's more passive and often converts to sadness. It manifests more as passive aggression than raging outbursts. I often try to suppress it and it usually doesn't last very long either, as I can't hold a grudge to save my life.

b) Shame: This is a big one. I hold a lot of it and keep most of it to myself. I very rarely approach people if something is bothering me because I'm too embarrassed to talk in depth about it, get overly emotional, and loathe appearing needy.

c) Fear: I hold plenty of anxiety. A lot of it is restrained though, but it's there. I tend to avoid a lot of my fears rather than confront them head on.

d) Love/passion: I need to have something outward from myself to dedicate my time to. A love for something, especially a passion and purpose of sorts, is probably the highest on my list.

e) Conflict: I often avoid as much as possible. I'm the type that needs to escape from anything I consider overbearing. A need to be by myself in order to recharge from all that gunk.

7) What are some of the themes that have played a prominent role in your life (ie. A struggle you’ve been unable to conquer, ect)?

Wanting to get close as possible to accomplishing my ideals, yet often feeling either unsatisfied afterwards or never reaching them. Also, never seeming to find a place in this world and feeling like an alien. Rinse, repeat.

8) Answer only one of the following:
a) [College aged and above] What is your area of work/study? Why did you choose this and would you change it? If so, what would be your ideal?

Graphic design. However, I would have gone another route and maybe would have skipped the latter part of college altogether knowing what I know now, but I'm unsure I would have been able to because...parents' influence. I would have put most of my time towards painting instead.

9) When meeting a new person, what do you tend to focus on?

To see if we have anything in common. Sometimes I get perceptions of who I think they are and that can cloud my vision towards a more objective perspective. As of now, I also try to find a good trait in everyone out of habit.

10) How do you feel about humanity as a whole? What do you feel are some of the biggest problems the human race faces and why?

I'm not very impressed with humanity as a whole, especially where we seem to be going as a species. I think one of the biggest problems besides corruption, poverty, environmental and "earthling" rights issues that's not addressed as often is social isolation. Humans are very tribal people, and I believe having a group of people to depend on and communicate with on a regular basis is healthy for us in general, regardless of our level of introversion. Many people, at least in the part of the western world I reside in, rarely if ever socialize with their neighbors anymore, lack a community of sorts, etc. It's probably a big reason why there are so many young people today feeling alienated and lost. Many of us cling to technology (including myself) without embracing the real world as much as we used to. I feel as much as technology has been a wonderful asset, it's also been a huge detriment in other ways. I vote for a future where communal living will be the new norm to counteract this.

11) What are some of your hobbies and interests?

Painting, anything artistic and a bit underground/counterculture, yoga, music collecting, reading, health, veganism, spiritual matters and forms of divination connected to it.

13) How do you usually “hang out” with your friend(s)? When answering, think about what activities you tend to choose, whether you hang out with one person at once or many, whether or not you initiate the interaction.

I don't see them very often anymore, but we usually socialize together and catch up on our own lives. Nowadays it's mostly a little get-together. I don't initiate as much as I used to either.

14) What is more important, actions or words? Why?

Overall, actions over words. However, words can definitely be powerful depending on the circumstances.

15) Oh dear, you’ve been cursed by a witch! It’s ok though, you get a choice on which curse you will receive. Will you choose….
a) To never be able to experience the sensation of taste
b) To be immortal
c) To lose your memories
d) To be poor for the rest of your life
e) Or to never experience passion
Elaborate on why!

Probably A. I can live without taste and would prefer to "eat to live" rather than "live to eat" for health reasons.

16) What do you hope to avoid being? If it helps, describe a person who embodies what you avoid/you as a villain, ect.

I hope to avoid being absolutely useless as a human. I'd want to contribute something to the world, and also to those I love the most. I want to be a good person overall, one that doesn't possess most of those deadly sins...

Also wouldn't want to be "average", as grossly pompous as that sounds.

17) How do you relate to obsession? Do you tend to "merge" with others or your interests? How do you feel about the idea of doing this?

I can be really obsessed with the object of my desire. I can actually merge to an extent with other people if we have a connection, and especially with my interests. I don't have as many issues with this because I think without obsessing over something, greatness would never be achieved. It all depends on what you obsess over and if something practical can come out of it for best results. However, it's important to be aware of how much of an addictive personality one has and to stay away from potentially destructive areas where it could lead to that, if possible. I need to start taking notes...

18) Organized or messy? Plans and blueprints or impulse and surprises? What are you preferences and tendencies?

I'm a hopeless mess in real life. Being organized is something that takes A LOT of effort.

I would rather it be a bit of both. I prefer being notified for important stuff ahead of time, but I think a life without surprises, both good and bad, would be awfully boring.

19) How do you subjectively view comfort and how do you create comfort in your life and surroundings?

I view comfort as something where I'm totally content in life. I don't have as many worries and can freely do what I desire. I also see it physically, in the form of needing some sort of sanctuary for myself in order to be completely free, especially important since I'm extremely introverted. And to be in good physical and mental health, because otherwise it messes with my mind and makes me feel like I'm going insane. Adding to that, a support system with as few toxic people as possible would make life that much easier too.

Your initial typing for ISFP sounds spot on, honestly! Great job!

You're very very enneagram 4-core. You have all the classic hits: Feeling like an alien, having a flair for the artistic side of life, feeling envy/jealousy over other people, fear of settling, and distaste for being average. You don't have a gritty feel of a 4w5, and instead have a more flirty and airy 4w3 feel instead. That's not to say that you aren't deep.. you are plenty deep, and you are unusually perceptive of yourself and other people.

Speaking of other people, your criticisms about humanity and society as a whole seems like something an So-leading or secondary would think. E-4 So people are quite critical of the state of society from an "outsider's perspective" like the one you hold, which is wonderful, because we need people like you to call it like it is. You are right.. we aren't as connected to each other as we should be. And it is doing a world of a lot of pain and suffering as a result.

You do hold lots of sx intensity in you, which I suspect is in your 9. I was going to suggest 1w9 for you, but you don't seem to hold a lot of rigid boundaries in general.. so 9w1 might be your best bet. Type 1s are very judgmental, and are quite vocal about this: 9 folks, like yourself, retreat and are conflict-avoidant.

I'm stuck between So/Sx and So/Sp for you, weirdly enough. Here is one quote about e-4 so/sx:

Social/Sexual

This is overall the “lightest” type Four when it comes to social interaction. They are likely to utilize charm and humor. This type is more scattered and can be down right disorganized. They can drift through life always feeling like an outsider, yet they usually have friends. They can alternate from being the life of the party to withdrawing. Intimates will know of their insecurities and dark moody side while acquaintances will see a softer, friendlier side. This subtype’s energy is geared towards people, but they never feel as though they really fit in. They are often quite creative, talented people who have many interests, but they frequently lack the energy to actually accomplish what they would like. They can drift and withdraw very easily. When healthy and with the right support from friends (and perhaps a little push) they tap into their instinctual energy. When they do this, they begin to see how much they can accomplish. A positive connection to others helps them stay focused.

And here's a quote for e-4 so/sp:

Social/Self-pres

This subtype can mimic type One when it comes to social values. They can be harsh critics of the current mores. They have romantic ideals of what the world should be like; reality always falls short. Ironically, this type can be the most withdrawn of the Fours. Social anxiety combines with the Four’s shame issues to make this type feel that the pressure associated with “fitting in” is just not worth it. They are also the most likely of the Fours to intellectualize their emotions and in this way resemble type Five.

The social instinct tends to give the personality a focus on being included, fitting in, or finding a way to make a valued contribution. This agenda conflicts with the Four’s sense of being “different from” or “other than.” The Four’s need to establish a separate identity conflicts with the social instinct’s drive towards inclusion. The social Four often deals with this dilemma by defining themselves as being outside the social system. By defining themselves always in terms of the system, even if it is to establish distance, this Four stays essentially tied to it. Fours with the social/self-pres stacking tend to acutely feel a sense of social shame at not quite belonging.

When this subtype is reasonably healthy, they are often gifted critics of the prevailing culture. They develop true insight into social dynamics and have an eye for the nuances and subtleties of social interactions. Many Four writers are soc/self.

Which one do you agree with most?

Tritype wise, you seem 4w3-9w1-6w7/7w6. In order for me to find out which head type you are, are you naturally optimistic? If so, you are 7. If you are more aligned to the feeling of being responsible most of the time, then you are 6.

 

[The Cat]

why not do a typology thread on a typology forum, how novel Jack.

Thank you Other Jack.

Mighty [MENTION=26674]Pluvio[/MENTION] rain thy typological wisdom down upon us.

 

[Norrsken]

Squeezing in as well since I'm interested now with how I see you type people here. You did reply to my questionnaire but I'll link it again: IX does Kray's Questionnaire mostly because what you posted went off initial / first impressions. If you are willing to go more in depth especially with enneagram, I'd love that but if you can't or want to give it more time that's also fine.

Hi dear.

I'll be frank, I don't know if I can see you as a 5-core because 5-cores are usually good at avoiding people and unnecessary socializing, if they can help it. I don't see that in you so far in our conversations, nor do I see you pull back in a 5 fashion when you are on Discord. But I will say this. I agree with your sp-leading typing, and the sp/so in general. I don't see any intensity in you whatsoever. Intensity, sexuality, merging, infusing yourself in others, all of that.. it just isn't there within you, I think.

You don't seem gut leading, so I'll take that out. Image concerns are so-so in you, but not so much that I think it is your leading function. That leaves me with head types.

Types 5, 6, and 7 have distortions in their thinking. The head centre let us know the wisdom of now, that presence is intelligence. When we lose presence, we lose connection with this capacity. The mind has to keep all the defenses and construct a dissociated sense of self, the ego sense of self. The mental activity is our effort to create a ground for a sense of ourselves, and to produce a sense of guidance and direction.

The common emotion of the head centre is fear. When we can experience the stillness and presence directly, we experience it as the ground of everything, and especially the ground of us. That knowing is the basis of faith. So when we lose the sense of presence, we lose the ground that supporting, holding and guiding us, we become panic and fearful. The head centre types want security and are concerned with strategies and beliefs.

Is it possible that you are 7 core, do you think?

Then again, when I read your questionnaire answers carefully, a lot of patterns emerged for me. You have a lot of respect for intelligent people, and have a natural bond with them to mingle seamlessly as a result. You have a distaste for religious practices, because you articulate that good morals can be found within the self/the ego rather than external values. Enneagram 5 people, I find, are mostly religiously critical and found on the atheism spectrum because of this. So I could agree with 5 over 7 for you. Maybe you just like to behave silly on Discord, which I can be the same as well. It's like we can let our hair down with each other in that realm of communication.

I could argue enneagram 6 as well, since I find it to be the best middle-ground typing between 5 (isolated/dry) and 7 (gregarious/overemotional at times). What says you?

6 vs 5: 5's are comfortable being completely separate from others, they have differing views, 6's wrestle with counterphobia and fear when they withdraw or go up against others, 5's love knowledge for the sake of it, 6's are searching for truths, 5's aren't great with people and 6's usually have a natural friendliness, 5's can be intellectually elitist and arrogance, 6's generally avoid elitism, 5's are not reactive, 6's are especially sensitive to power structures and injustices, 5's tend to romanticize isolation and introversion whereas 6's have more of a superego about removing themselves even when introverted, 6's search for knowledge is usually more based around finding out secrets or having some kind of practical knowledge, 5's are more impractical.

Body wise, you sound 1-ish for some reason. You don't seem so in-your-face like an 8 can be, and at the same time, you don't swallow and diffuse anger so much like a 9 core tend to do. You could be either 1w9 or a 1 with balanced wings.

Heart wise, yeah, 3 sounds about right. 3w4, I don't sense any 2ness to you at all, and that goes with the 1w2 as well, hence why I chose 1w9 instead.

Tritype: 5w6/6w7-1w9-3w4 sp/so/sx.

MBTI: You know what I'm going to say lmao but.. There's really nothing else except Ni dominance for you. INFJ or INTJ. The only thing I can ask of you to help me soldify which one is your correct type is this. When you were growing up, what did you do in order to feel acceptance in your peer group, family, teachers, institutions, and so on? Did you tried really hard to become other-oriented and helping others to the point of self-deteriorate.. or becoming orderly, efficient, methodical, and systematic to the point of ignoring your intuitive powers?

 

[Norrsken]

I will answer RooibosKrayfish and senza tema tomorrow. Anyone else who would like to be typed are free to hop in anytime and I'll get back to you as soon as I am able. (;

 

[Obfuscate]

*butts in* i am curious...

1) Context:
a) What is your age range and general location (Country so that cultural values can be taken into account)? Do you have any impairments that may affect the way that you answer this questionnaire? Any religious or political beliefs (or anything else along those lines) that also might have an effect?

i'm from northern idaho, have lived in every state in the northwest (north dakota also), and have spent a significant period of time traveling broke... i'm 33...

i am not aware of anything i would call an "impairment"...

i am a nonpracticing christian (belief without action)... i also used to be an armchair occultist (i read but didn't take action)..

b) Which types are you currently considering? Why are you considering them and why haven’t you decided on one?

it's on my profile, but i don't see why my determinations should cloud your own...

2) What do you deem as your purpose in life?

life does not have an instrinsic purpose... however, i do believe that there is value in assigning purpose to life... my assigned purpose is to be helpful within my limits while improving myself...

3) Of the seven deadly sins, which one(s) do you relate to the most and the least and why?

sloth and lust are easy to identify with... if something absolutely needs to be done or i feel obligated to do it, i work hard... otherwise i am perfectly content procrastinating indefinitely... as for lust, i don't see the point in describing it...

i don't really relate to the others whatsoever...

4) Analyzing your relationships with others, briefly describe:
a) The type of people you are drawn to

anyone who deviates from what i most often encounter and/or that shares traits with my immeadiate family that i find admirable... folks with kind hearts, exotic/deviant tastes, capable of higher thought, extremely comfortable/uncomfortable in their own skin, or those in need of what i can offer...

b) The type of people who are drawn to you

it is difficult to draw a common thread between them... i have had a very eclectic mixture of friends...

c) The type of people you are repulsed by

those who are arrogant, cruel, self centered, willfully stupid, rude without purpose, and/or actively attempt to annoy me...

5)What are the traits in others that you admire but you cannot emulate yourself? Elaborate.

people who set and achieve goals... i am capable of setting and achieving goals, but i can rarely find motivation to do so... i guess it would be more accurate to say i am a bit disappointed that i don't desire anything strongly... i think people are satisfied by achievement, and i think it would be nice to want to achieve something...

6) Describe your relationship with the following:
a) Anger

i tend to avoid angry people... i had bad experiences when i was young with someone who was perpetually becoming enraged over what i considered to be nothing... if all possible triggers were removed, one would be invented... sometimes angry people cause me to laugh uncontrolably...

when i get angry i supress it and attempt to leave... if for some reason i feel unable or unwilling to leave, i sort of blow up (verbally so far)... my upper lip gets extremely twitchy and i get very quiet... i maintain eye contact and assess exits, weapons, relative positions, and the odds of a physical fight... after a bit of that (if i remain triggered), i go about trying to kick the shit out of someone's emotions using logic... it's like i want them to feel like shit for days (or more)... there was a time with the person mentioned in the previous paragraph that i blacked out... i was standing minding my own business one minute; and the next thing i knew i was behind them holding a tire iron like i was about to swing it... i tossed it to the ground and moved out within a couple days...

b) Shame

i avoid it... i am most embaressed when i am not confronted... if confronted the odds are high i will become stubborn and act like it was all exactly as i meant it to be...

c) Fear

i dunno... i am scared of physical things, i.e. a tree that is falling towards me... i am also paranoid about social relationships and i avoid dependency upon them... there are parts of me that just really want to isolate myself so nothing can go wrong...

d) Love/passion

i am not very passionate... i become attatched easily, so i limit my exposure to people i am not willing to have some sort of love for...

e) Conflict

i fucking hate it... i am willing to take drastic steps to remove sources of constant conflict...

7) What are some of the themes that have played a prominent role in your life (ie. A struggle you’ve been unable to conquer, ect)?

leaving everything behind: possesions, people, responsibilites, percieved needs, identifying traits, emotions, and anything else... there has been a lot of self loathing... mmmm... lots of finding people with emotional needs to tend to when i feel down... depression... mmm... not being taken care of or taking care of myself... fuck, i dunno... i have often ran my life like a train wreck, and sometimes i just feel more comfortable when everything and everyone is shitty... it can be a relief sonetimes to not worry about when things will fall apart...

8) Answer only one of the following:
a) [College aged and above] What is your area of work/study? Why did you choose this and would you change it? If so, what would be your ideal?

i do a bit of everything... i get bored of a job easily, and like to stay in motion... i really would have liked to be in a scientific field, but my life just wasn't conducive to achieving that goal (so i didn't even try)...

b)[Under college aged] What do you plan on studying/working as in the future? How did you go about deciding this? If this is not your ideal area of pursuit, what would be?

9) When meeting a new person, what do you tend to focus on?

reading their intentions and tracking their verbal/nonverbal output... i want to know what motivates them and how that will impact me and the social climate... i try to identify people to help or avoid...

10) How do you feel about humanity as a whole? What do you feel are some of the biggest problems the human race faces and why?

ummm... i think people are selfish... i think they generally stick to habitual behavior and imitate those around them when confused... i think people are safest when you know what they want... i think people like to internally and/or externally blame others and take credit whenever it is beneficial/comfortable... i think that while noone is exactly the same, there are a lot of really conmon patterns...

i think the world's biggest problem is mismanagement... i think that social/industrial/government systems could be better organized to reward "good"/"kind" behavior... the way things are going now, i would not be shocked to see a drastic/rapid reduction of population...

11) What are some of your hobbies and interests?

i like trying new things, but not seeking them... i like playing games, writing poetry, camping/hiking, rainbow gatherings, barter fairs, concerts, hitch hiking, getting fucked up, reading, downhill skiing, one on one conversation, sex, listening to music, watching films/shows/documentries, and just doing what seems right any given moment...

13) How do you usually “hang out” with your friend(s)? When answering, think about what activities you tend to choose, whether you hang out with one person at once or many, whether or not you initiate the interaction.

i tend to do what they like... if i am not in the mood for their interests, i don't visit them...

14) What is more important, actions or words? Why?

actions i guess... words are generally just noise, but actions get shit done...

15) Oh dear, you’ve been cursed by a witch! It’s ok though, you get a choice on which curse you will receive. Will you choose….
a) To never be able to experience the sensation of taste
b) To be immortal
c) To lose your memories
d) To be poor for the rest of your life
e) Or to never experience passion
Elaborate on why!

i'ld take e i guess... i don't think it would change all that much in my life....

16) What do you hope to avoid being? If it helps, describe a person who embodies what you avoid/you as a villain, ect.

ummm.... being immoral, inflicting undesired pain, dependent, rude, ignorant, dull, cruel, cocky, incompetent, foolish, degraded, manipulative, banal, selfish, generally shitty as a human being, and controlling are all things i avoid...

17) How do you relate to obsession? Do you tend to "merge" with others or your interests? How do you feel about the idea of doing this?

i have no idea how i feel about it... i guess i feel like that is fine for people that get obssesed if they leave me out of it... merging? sounds shitty... i like to be close to other independent agents who share goals, interests, and sentiments... that shit sounds like dependency...

18) Organized or messy? Plans and blueprints or impulse and surprises? What are you preferences and tendencies?

i hate the process of organizing and feel more comfortable with some clutter... i like a multitude of contingency plans, buy to go with th flow until i need one...

19) How do you subjectively view comfort and how do you create comfort in your life and surroundings?

comfort is nice, but i don't do much to ensure it... life isn't always comfortable, so i don't mind suffering a bit to ensure i don't become too soft... when comfort is easy to achieve without causing others discomfort/inconvenience i'll pounce on it...

 

[Hiraeth]

Your initial typing for ISFP sounds spot on, honestly! Great job!

You're very very enneagram 4-core. You have all the classic hits: Feeling like an alien, having a flair for the artistic side of life, feeling envy/jealousy over other people, fear of settling, and distaste for being average. You don't have a gritty feel of a 4w5, and instead have a more flirty and airy 4w3 feel instead. That's not to say that you aren't deep.. you are plenty deep, and you are unusually perceptive of yourself and other people.

Speaking of other people, your criticisms about humanity and society as a whole seems like something an So-leading or secondary would think. E-4 So people are quite critical of the state of society from an "outsider's perspective" like the one you hold, which is wonderful, because we need people like you to call it like it is. You are right.. we aren't as connected to each other as we should be. And it is doing a world of a lot of pain and suffering as a result.

You do hold lots of sx intensity in you, which I suspect is in your 9. I was going to suggest 1w9 for you, but you don't seem to hold a lot of rigid boundaries in general.. so 9w1 might be your best bet. Type 1s are very judgmental, and are quite vocal about this: 9 folks, like yourself, retreat and are conflict-avoidant.

I'm stuck between So/Sx and So/Sp for you, weirdly enough. Here is one quote about e-4 so/sx:



And here's a quote for e-4 so/sp:



Which one do you agree with most?

Tritype wise, you seem 4w3-9w1-6w7/7w6. In order for me to find out which head type you are, are you naturally optimistic? If so, you are 7. If you are more aligned to the feeling of being responsible most of the time, then you are 6.

I always related to being the so/sp subtype over so/sx, especially having bad social anxiety almost my entire life and being uncomfortable getting too close to people in general. I am not nearly as people oriented or even charming in real life nor would anyone ever consider me the life of a party, let alone rarely ever go to parties unless they are family or close friend related (I didn't even go to parties in high school or college lol). But in the purest sense of the instinct, I'm way too into health and not spontaneous enough to be sp last, I think, though I am awful with financial stuff, so I still may consider that an option. I've always related to 5 over 7 though, so I'm surprised that is not at all in my tri-type. I assumed for a time I could be a core 4w3, but when I read Beatrice Chestnut's chapter on 3, I didn't relate to nearly anything in her descriptions, whereas I related almost entirely with 5 to the point I could even see it being a strong fix or even a core (avarice especially being something prominent in me), though I'm certain I'm of the 469 tri-type knowing how I was as a child. I did relate to some 7 things like gluttony and a need to be content in life, though I am not nearly adventurous and am okay with simplicity in day to day matters. Also, while I consider myself pretty optimistic nowadays, I was never this way when I was younger and was known for being a negative buzzkill in my youth. I honestly think yoga and diet change have helped me immensely over the years in that department, but there are people who still think I have issues with enjoying life even after I've changed my mindset for some reason.

Additionally, I've always assumed 4w3 with a social subtype would be way more ambiverted than I am (almost every description of 4w3 indicates that and I consider myself on the far end toward introversion, so I always felt I had to defend this type when I did identify with it before when people would suggest they were more charming and outgoing or whatever, but deep down I always related to the 4w5 descriptions). I'm also extremely reserved about my interests/artwork outside from here, even among close friends and family. I do research a lot in particular about topics that interest me, but I do it primarily for interest and not to prepare for the world necessarily (unless divination practices count lol), so I can relate more to w3 in that regard and also about achieving what I want out of life too, though it's not really on a materialistic level and more for self-fulfillment in general.

I do agree completely with the 9w1 fix, though I am not nearly responsible as a 6 nor inherently positive as a 7, as the aforementioned change due to lifestyle in addition to finding inspiration in external references and by forcing myself to be mentally stronger so I can quit being a victim about my past/present situation in order to chase after my dreams. However, I do believe I am naturally a 6 fix from displaying phobic 6 traits of being a constant worry wart as a child and reacting pretty strongly towards anything I feared, but again that has diminished as I've grown older because.... yoga lol. I am also completely aware a lot of this wouldn't show up on the questionnaire itself.

With that said, I am actually quite pleased that people seem to think of me as charming and cheerful on here. I don't think anyone has ever told me that in real life, so that is rather nice to hear. And I also really appreciate this thorough analysis, knowing how long this takes overall. Thank you.

 

[Norrsken]

Heyyyy idk how many people you have on your list, but if you feel like adding another person to that list I'd also like to be typed? If not that's also cool, again I'm not sure how many people are on your list. Here's my typing thread anyways: Type The Blob!

Hey there.

I see lots of Fi, respect and admiration/usage of Te, no Fe at all, Ti is sprinkled just a tad, Se is no where to be found, Ni ain't there, so with all that said and done.. Your MBTI is painfully ENFP, though I have a hidden concern about you somehow trying super hard in training your Te usage over your Ne. I think because of the career you have, though, that you feel somewhat forced to use that function over your dominant function. And it makes sense. Nothing wrong with it. I have a theory that Ne-doms and Ni-doms are quite aware of how unsupported society views their dominant functions, so they stress their auxiliary or their tert functions in order to fit in better. I was gonna give you an INFP typing, but something stuck out at me.

You said:

While I’ve pushed myself to be direct and organized, I’m fairly hopeless. When I try to do this, it always results in a “tunnel vision” sort of reaction where I focus excessively on one detail/task and completely forget something else that was equally important.

Someone can call my ass out if I'm wrong about this, but I believe the inferior Si may erupt in focusing too much attention to one tiny detail that will then override the entire forest for the trees.

Inferior Si (ENxP): Since Ne values freedom of thought, hope, and inspiration, if the resultant behaviors get too extreme, Ne dominants are likely to become increasingly scattered or overextended in chasing after the positive possibilities they envision. When dominant behaviors lead to too much unrealized potential, unconscious inferior Si impulses start to rise up and overwhelm Ne’s natural optimism. When in Si grip, Ne dominants are likely to become troubled, demoralized, or uptight, e.g.: they may feel like they have nothing to show for themselves (and perhaps try desperately to refocus/redouble their efforts); they may feel deeply haunted by past events/mistakes and then fear that the future is ruined as a result; they may become irrationally pedantic or fussy about tiny details in vain attempts to avoid facing reality. Generally speaking, their tendency to believe that the rules of the world do not apply to them makes them too impatient to methodically build detailed knowledge like the best Si dominants, therefore, their unconscious attempts to use Si to compensate for Ne extremes do not tend to turn out well, especially when under stress (due to poorly developed judging functions that lead to bad decision making).

Enneagram wise, you are correct in that you have 3 and 1 traits. I'd choose 3w4 over 3w2, and 1w9 over 1w2. I do not see any 2 need for love or acceptance from others. Of all the head types, I'm quite firm in you being a 6 as well. 6w7 over 6w5.. your "Type The Blob LOL" humor seems 7-ish. You are also correct in your core type being head first, so that leaves me in figuring out if the 1 comes next or the 3..

The Taskmaster: 136, 361, 613

Gut: 1 Heart: 3 Head: 6

As a technical expert you are incredibly discerning, focused and responsible type. She said they will be the most inclined to want to live up to a successful image by societal standards and to focus on duty in order to feel valuable. She called it the “true taskmaster” that is inclined to create structure and rules that others in society can follow and to implement them. She said the blindspot is that one can be so overly focused on the rules that they can lose touch with their own values and feelings in deference to what is acceptable or societally defined. you are diligent, focused and knowledgeable. Elegant, stoic and resolute with a loyal professional veneer. Very self critical. Strong ideas about how they should act and have man guidelines that they must follow and cannot deter from. They can feel like a break from work is a sin, and sometimes only feel okay working. This is one of the hardest workers, if not the hardest worker of the 27 archetypes.

631--A 6 with a strong superego. Lots of issues regarding personal competency. At lower health, the most likely of the 6s to respond negatively and reactively to pressure from others, since there is already a nearly unbearable pressure from within.
--The first impression I get from this tritype is a strong image orientation. There's a constant need to impress others and to have a positive place in the social sphere. I see a need for perfection in all things, partly out of ego and partly out of duty. There's strong loyalty to causes, but more so community ones and not personal ones. But this is a very hands-on tritype who will work to achieve what (s)he wants to achieve. I see less manipulation here than the 3 might otherwise indicate, and more focus and drive.

... Yeah, fuck it, your tritype is 6w7-1w9-3w4. You are very sx blind.. sp/so/sx.

SP 6: Over-concern with an element of SP and double-checking, tightening the screw so tightly that it breaks the wood
SO 1: Double super ego, focus on good behaviour, ideals, morals, lofty, rigid
SX 3: Being successful at SX, the best at hooking people

Now that I think about it again and re-reading your answers, I guess I can see where your 5 wing comes in. Dammit. 6w5 it is!

So really, I don't agree with your INTP typing, you use too much Te otherwise. INTPs usage of Si is more sentimental and finding comfort in, say, eating the same darn dinner for like.. years and years because they love it and that's what's up. My INTP brother eats the same dinner from my mom.. rice, lentils, chicken breasts, broccoli. Always. No matter what. I love him but I'm ready to strangle him for not branching out. ENFP sees the sentimentally of it as restricting as well. At least, that's how I'm perceiving them.

Any questions or concerns, give me a hoot.

 

[Norrsken]

Did I make the deadline???

Here is a link to my thread. Thanks Nori.

Hmmmm. Either my brain is shutting down or I'm not getting much read except sx, INFx, an aversion to Se but not a lot of Si, introversion in general, lots of envy over others (sounds 4-ish or 2-ish, not sure.). I do see loooooooooots of 1 shame, like, it blinds me so lol. You seem pretty gut first all else considered. 1w9.

1 wing 9:
1 principles from a place of 9 detached calm
more "autistic" than 1w2
abstract ideals, lofty principles, crystallized virtues
can be people-focused but from a more detached place, less action-oriented than 1w2
double gut, a sense of all-knowing rooted in the body and eternity of earth

I sense no 2 or 3 from you.. so heart wise, you are a 4 enneagram. 4w5.

4 wing 5:
​4 brokenness from a place of 5 hiddenness
less able to be likeable or extraverted, stuck in an existential black hole, nihilistic
more authentic because they are less able to modulate themselves for public consumption, that's their tragic circumstance
more gritty and less focus on being aesthetically beautiful, less friendly
can be more attracted to bizarre or grotesque subjects
less image centre, gauging their authenticity more on the self rather than others' perceptions

Head wise, this is difficult to say. 7 can't be it because they don't like being uncomfortable while you seem to.. not care so much, sometimes to the point of it being unhealthy to you. That seems like you don't have Si bodily awareness. You also don't seem too over the top anxious like a 6 would, so really all I'm left to work with is the 5.

5 wing 6:
5 hiddenness and cerebral orientation from a place of 6 discovery and mental energy
focused on discovery and investigation, feel like they've examined the world more than others
more systematizing and methodical, scientific
with SX or 4 fix can still be artistic
more friendly, yet emotionally detached

Then again, I'm not too sure.

145 The Researcher
For the 145 type, fulfillment in life can be found through the process of study, learning, and teaching. The combination of the ever higher expectations of 1, the individual quest for truth of 4, and the voracious intellectual appetite of 5 motivates this type to always seek out truth and answers that can then be taught to the world. Without some humility to temper it though, the 145 can get so engrossed in their learning that they become know-it-alls that too quickly dismiss the voices of others.

What says you?

MBTI wise, I have a good feeling you are an INFJ of the IEI-Ni subtype.

 

[senza tema]

Hmmmm. Either my brain is shutting down or I'm not getting much read except sx, INFx, an aversion to Se but not a lot of Si, introversion in general, lots of envy over others (sounds 4-ish or 2-ish, not sure.). I do see loooooooooots of 1 shame, like, it blinds me so lol. You seem pretty gut first all else considered. 1w9.



I sense no 2 or 3 from you.. so heart wise, you are a 4 enneagram. 4w5.



Head wise, this is difficult to say. 7 can't be it because they don't like being uncomfortable while you seem to.. not care so much, sometimes to the point of it being unhealthy to you. That seems like you don't have Si bodily awareness. You also don't seem too over the top anxious like a 6 would, so really all I'm left to work with is the 5.



Then again, I'm not too sure.

What says you?

MBTI wise, I have a good feeling you are an INFJ of the IEI-Ni subtype.

Thanks Norr for the analysis!

Enneagram-wise, I am core 4w5, I think. The sin of envy feels so close to home it makes me feel sick, to be honest. Gut fix is pretty comfortably 1w9. I used to think I was core 9 once upon a time but thanks to Starry, those days have longed passed. Re: head fix, 5 seemed like a superficially easy answer except for the fact that I am kind of intellectually shallow. I flit from theme to them and interest to interest and don't care about depth and precision as much as I do about having fun and not being bored. Which is why I think I'm a 7w6 head fix (and have actually considered 7 core but am just not positive outlook enough.) Physical comfort isn't as crucial to me but I deal very poorly with mental discomfort (boredom), which must be avoided if at all possible.

For some reason I've hoodwinked people into thinking I'm deeper and know more than I really do. IT'S ALL A SHAM.

Ahem. Anyhow.

MBTI and socionics I unfortunately do not do! But INFJ is a typing I have received before so it is within my realm of comprehension, haha. I do wonder why it seems that way to you?

 

[RadicalDoubt]

Hey there.

I see lots of Fi, respect and admiration/usage of Te, no Fe at all, Ti is sprinkled just a tad, Se is no where to be found, Ni ain't there, so with all that said and done.. Your MBTI is painfully ENFP, though I have a hidden concern about you somehow trying super hard in training your Te usage over your Ne. I think because of the career you have, though, that you feel somewhat forced to use that function over your dominant function. And it makes sense. Nothing wrong with it. I have a theory that Ne-doms and Ni-doms are quite aware of how unsupported society views their dominant functions, so they stress their auxiliary or their tert functions in order to fit in better. I was gonna give you an INFP typing, but something stuck out at me.

Thank you for the input! Interesting, I've always related more to Fe than Fi, but every time I say that I'm quickly called for my lack of Fe lol. I'm sort of surprised the Fi was as evident as you pegged it to be, I always have difficulty pegging how/where I use it (which is why I entertained the Ti types). The only way I was able justify my ENFP typing was through low Te. I go back and forth a lot, but I'd probably peg myself with a lean for F over T anyhow dichotomy wise, so that might make more sense than INTP (Ji dom doesn't seem right anyhow).

Someone can call my ass out if I'm wrong about this, but I believe the inferior Si may erupt in focusing too much attention to one tiny detail that will then override the entire forest for the trees.

I'm pretty sure this reasoning works, that's always how I've interpreted low Si anyhow.

Enneagram wise, you are correct in that you have 3 and 1 traits. I'd choose 3w4 over 3w2, and 1w9 over 1w2. I do not see any 2 need for love or acceptance from others. Of all the head types, I'm quite firm in you being a 6 as well. 6w7 over 6w5.. your "Type The Blob LOL" humor seems 7-ish. You are also correct in your core type being head first, so that leaves me in figuring out if the 1 comes next or the 3..

... Yeah, fuck it, your tritype is 6w7-1w9-3w4. You are very sx blind.. sp/so/sx.

SP 6: Over-concern with an element of SP and double-checking, tightening the screw so tightly that it breaks the wood
SO 1: Double super ego, focus on good behaviour, ideals, morals, lofty, rigid
SX 3: Being successful at SX, the best at hooking people

Now that I think about it again and re-reading your answers, I guess I can see where your 5 wing comes in. Dammit. 6w5 it is!

People have always been really confused as to whether my preference leans more towards 5 or 7, I've had arguments for balanced wings before anyhow so I see where the hesitance comes in. I've always just assumed the Ne mixes things up a bit (I lack hedonistic traits and am not evasive of my problems/inner world enough for 7 I think).

So really, I don't agree with your INTP typing, you use too much Te otherwise. INTPs usage of Si is more sentimental and finding comfort in, say, eating the same darn dinner for like.. years and years because they love it and that's what's up. My INTP brother eats the same dinner from my mom.. rice, lentils, chicken breasts, broccoli. Always. No matter what. I love him but I'm ready to strangle him for not branching out. ENFP sees the sentimentally of it as restricting as well. At least, that's how I'm perceiving them.

Yeah that's always been my biggest problem with typing Tert Si anyhow. I'm not sentimental at all and actually being too comfortable makes me feel out of control (I guess that might also be the 6 though, who knows). I've always just wondered if I'm too cautious/consequence oriented for an ExxP temperament... Realistically speaking though, going with the idea that I am on the Fi-Te axis, I probably do use Te over Si, so that probably just comes from sp.

Nonetheless thanks again for the input, I appreciate it. Unless you feel like pointing out some of my more Fi moments, I have no questions

 

[Wunjo]

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[Norrsken]

Reserving a seat.

*butts in* i am curious...

1) Context:
a) What is your age range and general location (Country so that cultural values can be taken into account)? Do you have any impairments that may affect the way that you answer this questionnaire? Any religious or political beliefs (or anything else along those lines) that also might have an effect?

i'm from northern idaho, have lived in every state in the northwest (north dakota also), and have spent a significant period of time traveling broke... i'm 33...

i am not aware of anything i would call an "impairment"...

i am a nonpracticing christian (belief without action)... i also used to be an armchair occultist (i read but didn't take action)..

b) Which types are you currently considering? Why are you considering them and why haven’t you decided on one?

it's on my profile, but i don't see why my determinations should cloud your own...

2) What do you deem as your purpose in life?

life does not have an instrinsic purpose... however, i do believe that there is value in assigning purpose to life... my assigned purpose is to be helpful within my limits while improving myself...

3) Of the seven deadly sins, which one(s) do you relate to the most and the least and why?

sloth and lust are easy to identify with... if something absolutely needs to be done or i feel obligated to do it, i work hard... otherwise i am perfectly content procrastinating indefinitely... as for lust, i don't see the point in describing it...

i don't really relate to the others whatsoever...

4) Analyzing your relationships with others, briefly describe:
a) The type of people you are drawn to

anyone who deviates from what i most often encounter and/or that shares traits with my immeadiate family that i find admirable... folks with kind hearts, exotic/deviant tastes, capable of higher thought, extremely comfortable/uncomfortable in their own skin, or those in need of what i can offer...

b) The type of people who are drawn to you

it is difficult to draw a common thread between them... i have had a very eclectic mixture of friends...

c) The type of people you are repulsed by

those who are arrogant, cruel, self centered, willfully stupid, rude without purpose, and/or actively attempt to annoy me...

5)What are the traits in others that you admire but you cannot emulate yourself? Elaborate.

people who set and achieve goals... i am capable of setting and achieving goals, but i can rarely find motivation to do so... i guess it would be more accurate to say i am a bit disappointed that i don't desire anything strongly... i think people are satisfied by achievement, and i think it would be nice to want to achieve something...

6) Describe your relationship with the following:
a) Anger

i tend to avoid angry people... i had bad experiences when i was young with someone who was perpetually becoming enraged over what i considered to be nothing... if all possible triggers were removed, one would be invented... sometimes angry people cause me to laugh uncontrolably...

when i get angry i supress it and attempt to leave... if for some reason i feel unable or unwilling to leave, i sort of blow up (verbally so far)... my upper lip gets extremely twitchy and i get very quiet... i maintain eye contact and assess exits, weapons, relative positions, and the odds of a physical fight... after a bit of that (if i remain triggered), i go about trying to kick the shit out of someone's emotions using logic... it's like i want them to feel like shit for days (or more)... there was a time with the person mentioned in the previous paragraph that i blacked out... i was standing minding my own business one minute; and the next thing i knew i was behind them holding a tire iron like i was about to swing it... i tossed it to the ground and moved out within a couple days...

b) Shame

i avoid it... i am most embaressed when i am not confronted... if confronted the odds are high i will become stubborn and act like it was all exactly as i meant it to be...

c) Fear

i dunno... i am scared of physical things, i.e. a tree that is falling towards me... i am also paranoid about social relationships and i avoid dependency upon them... there are parts of me that just really want to isolate myself so nothing can go wrong...

d) Love/passion

i am not very passionate... i become attatched easily, so i limit my exposure to people i am not willing to have some sort of love for...

e) Conflict

i fucking hate it... i am willing to take drastic steps to remove sources of constant conflict...

7) What are some of the themes that have played a prominent role in your life (ie. A struggle you’ve been unable to conquer, ect)?

leaving everything behind: possesions, people, responsibilites, percieved needs, identifying traits, emotions, and anything else... there has been a lot of self loathing... mmmm... lots of finding people with emotional needs to tend to when i feel down... depression... mmm... not being taken care of or taking care of myself... fuck, i dunno... i have often ran my life like a train wreck, and sometimes i just feel more comfortable when everything and everyone is shitty... it can be a relief sonetimes to not worry about when things will fall apart...

8) Answer only one of the following:
a) [College aged and above] What is your area of work/study? Why did you choose this and would you change it? If so, what would be your ideal?

i do a bit of everything... i get bored of a job easily, and like to stay in motion... i really would have liked to be in a scientific field, but my life just wasn't conducive to achieving that goal (so i didn't even try)...

b)[Under college aged] What do you plan on studying/working as in the future? How did you go about deciding this? If this is not your ideal area of pursuit, what would be?

9) When meeting a new person, what do you tend to focus on?

reading their intentions and tracking their verbal/nonverbal output... i want to know what motivates them and how that will impact me and the social climate... i try to identify people to help or avoid...

10) How do you feel about humanity as a whole? What do you feel are some of the biggest problems the human race faces and why?

ummm... i think people are selfish... i think they generally stick to habitual behavior and imitate those around them when confused... i think people are safest when you know what they want... i think people like to internally and/or externally blame others and take credit whenever it is beneficial/comfortable... i think that while noone is exactly the same, there are a lot of really conmon patterns...

i think the world's biggest problem is mismanagement... i think that social/industrial/government systems could be better organized to reward "good"/"kind" behavior... the way things are going now, i would not be shocked to see a drastic/rapid reduction of population...

11) What are some of your hobbies and interests?

i like trying new things, but not seeking them... i like playing games, writing poetry, camping/hiking, rainbow gatherings, barter fairs, concerts, hitch hiking, getting fucked up, reading, downhill skiing, one on one conversation, sex, listening to music, watching films/shows/documentries, and just doing what seems right any given moment...

13) How do you usually “hang out” with your friend(s)? When answering, think about what activities you tend to choose, whether you hang out with one person at once or many, whether or not you initiate the interaction.

i tend to do what they like... if i am not in the mood for their interests, i don't visit them...

14) What is more important, actions or words? Why?

actions i guess... words are generally just noise, but actions get shit done...

15) Oh dear, you’ve been cursed by a witch! It’s ok though, you get a choice on which curse you will receive. Will you choose….
a) To never be able to experience the sensation of taste
b) To be immortal
c) To lose your memories
d) To be poor for the rest of your life
e) Or to never experience passion
Elaborate on why!

i'ld take e i guess... i don't think it would change all that much in my life....

16) What do you hope to avoid being? If it helps, describe a person who embodies what you avoid/you as a villain, ect.

ummm.... being immoral, inflicting undesired pain, dependent, rude, ignorant, dull, cruel, cocky, incompetent, foolish, degraded, manipulative, banal, selfish, generally shitty as a human being, and controlling are all things i avoid...

17) How do you relate to obsession? Do you tend to "merge" with others or your interests? How do you feel about the idea of doing this?

i have no idea how i feel about it... i guess i feel like that is fine for people that get obssesed if they leave me out of it... merging? sounds shitty... i like to be close to other independent agents who share goals, interests, and sentiments... that shit sounds like dependency...

18) Organized or messy? Plans and blueprints or impulse and surprises? What are you preferences and tendencies?

i hate the process of organizing and feel more comfortable with some clutter... i like a multitude of contingency plans, buy to go with th flow until i need one...

19) How do you subjectively view comfort and how do you create comfort in your life and surroundings?

comfort is nice, but i don't do much to ensure it... life isn't always comfortable, so i don't mind suffering a bit to ensure i don't become too soft... when comfort is easy to achieve without causing others discomfort/inconvenience i'll pounce on it...

I'm typing the both of you tomorrow on the 27th. Good night!

 

[Norrsken]

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Hmmm. You're a bit hard to read. But I am seeing patterns of the following functions: Ti (and lots of it), Se, Ni, maybe Ne but maybe I'm high af right now, and a very tiny dash of Fe. Suffice to say, you're a Ti-dom/Fe-inferior type. I find your paragraph about viciously protecting yourself quite interesting. I sense 5 cutting logic and 8 combativeness when shit hits the fan, so to speak. You behave and say that you are very impassionate, so I think you are sx-blind for this reason. Your quip about dependency kinda hit the nail for me.

When I talk to you on Discord, you get to the point and you don't waste time. So I wonder if INTP is even your type, and would perhaps consider putting ISTP as your type instead. You can def challenge me if you must and I'll get back to you on this.

5 moves to 8:
Positive: get in touch with body and out of their heads, trust their instinct, become spontaneous and assertive, use anger to motivate them rather than shying away from it
Negative: continue to ignore other people's feelings and desires, but do it blatantly and punitively

You are, I think, 5w6 over 5w4. With the 8, I think 8w9 makes more sense than 8w7. However, 9w8 is also another strong possibility.

Tritype wise.. hmm. 594? I don't see you as a 584 triple dark person. 5w6-9w8-4w5 sp/so/sx.