[INTJ] How Common Is INTJ Enneagram 6

[highlander]

One thing that really surprised me when I was doing this analysis was how different the % of INTJ 6s was between Typology Central and Personality Cafe. At Typology Central, only 5% of INTJs self identified as Enneagram 6. At Personality Cafe, 20% of INTJs said they were Enneagram 6. That makes it 4 times as common. It's not a small sample size on either forum.

It seems implausible to me that there is that big of a difference between the two forums in terms of percentages. I wonder why the difference. Some possible explanations I can think of

• People are mistyped a lot on one of the forums
• The herd effect. It's more popular on Personality Cafe to be a 6 so people identify with that type more frequently

What do you think given the INTJs you've known? Is it 1 out of 5 or 1 out of 20? What possible explanation can you think of for this?

These are the percentages

Color Key of Enneagram Types


Typology Central


Personality Cafe

 

[highlander]

One thing I noticed is that the Type 6 percentages are higher across almost every single MBTI type on Personality Cafe. The only type this didn't occur in was ENTP. The INTJ numbers stood out as an order of magnitude different. Another possible explanation is that ISTJs are mistyped as INTJ on that forum.

 

[1010830]

It's common enough for you be a statistic.
Nothing special here. Move on.

 

[Froody Blue Gem]

Enneagram 6, along with E9 is a common type among all types so I would imagine, fairly common. There is a lot of variety among that type that can be found across the board. An INTJ 6 would look different than a feeler 6 though. Enneagram 1 may be just as common for INTJs, . 1s and 6s can superficially resemble each other so that can feed into it. Both types potentially wanting order and the 5-winged variety of 6s being more subdued than the alternate counterpart. 6w5, I would imagine would be more common than 6w7, perhaps with a strong wing with INTJ 6w5s.

 

[Non_xsense]

Probabily a mistyped or a very rare intj , Almost every intj that i know aren't e6 ... Hell... NT's first e6 is like contradiction .
St first E6 is alot more frecuent .

 

[RadicalDoubt]

It's probably less uncommon than you'd think. 6 traits work with the idea that Ni is fairly future oriented and truth/certainty seeking. In general, 6's aren't described that well, so I'd imagine the only reason you don't see as many 6 INTJs is due to close mistypes (ie. some 5w6's and 1w9s might be 6s for example). My gut tells me that 1 core is probably still a bit more common though.

 

[yeghor]

One thing that really surprised me when I was doing this analysis was how different the % of INTJ 6s was between Typology Central and Personality Cafe. At Typology Central, only 5% of INTJs self identified as Enneagram 6. At Personality Cafe, 20% of INTJs said they were Enneagram 6. That makes it 4 times as common. It's not a small sample size on either forum.

It seems implausible to me that there is that big of a difference between the two forums in terms of percentages. I wonder why the difference. Some possible explanations I can think of

• People are mistyped a lot on one of the forums
• The herd effect. It's more popular on Personality Cafe to be a 6 so people identify with that type more frequently

What do you think given the INTJs you've known? Is it 1 out of 5 or 1 out of 20? What possible explanation can you think of for this?

These are the percentages

Color Key of Enneagram Types


Typology Central


Personality Cafe

My opinion, enneagram 6s are Te-doms, 5s are Ti-doms, 1s are Ni-doms (assuming they are correctly typed under enneagram as well, they might very well have another enneagram preference, these tests are very subjective and prone to personal bias)

According to that data from 2015, 85 to 90% of the self-identified INTJs are actually some other non-Ni type (according to the enneagram correlation I proposed).

 

[JocktheMotie]

My opinion, enneagram 6s are Te-doms, 5s are Ti-doms, 1s are Ni-doms (assuming they are correctly typed under enneagram as well, they might very well have another enneagram preference, these tests are very subjective and prone to personal bias)

According to that data from 2015, 85 to 90% of the self-identified INTJs are actually some other non-Ni type (according to the enneagram correlation I proposed).

I'm surprised you find Ni doms are 1s, maybe NFJs, but INTJs probably skew 6 over 1. The Personality Cafe numbers Highlander shared make more sense to me.

 

[highlander]

My opinion, enneagram 6s are Te-doms, 5s are Ti-doms, 1s are Ni-doms (assuming they are correctly typed under enneagram as well, they might very well have another enneagram preference, these tests are very subjective and prone to personal bias)

According to that data from 2015, 85 to 90% of the self-identified INTJs are actually some other non-Ni type (according to the enneagram correlation I proposed).

The analysis I did showed a different result. What 2015 data are you referring to?

As an aside, Te doms are often 8s, then 3s, then 1s in descending order. Those three types make. up 75% of ENTJs and 88% of ESTJs.

 

[yeghor]

The analysis I did showed a different result. What 2015 data are you referring to?

As an aside, Te doms are often 8s, then 3s, then 1s in descending order. Those three types make. up 75% of ENTJs and 88% of ESTJs.

There is a bar chart in your original post.

8 represents someone prone to rage and who makes decisions by their gut in the heat of the moment. Te-doms are thinkers and decide by their head by weighing pros and cons and not by their gut and are also not prone to rage. Enneagram 8 definition for instance fits with ESxP demeanor, who decide by Se (gut) and are prone to anger.

EDIT:

"Challengers are part of the “body-based” triad, along with Type One and Type Nine. The core emotion experienced by this triad is anger. While Ones and Nines more or less repress or ignore their anger, Eights have no problem accessing their anger, often expressing it impulsively.

Eights are in touch with their instincts and "gut feelings", lending them to react like literal wild animals at the first sign of danger, and will often act irrationally in the eyes most people because of that instinct. More mature Eights will do so less often, but that hot punch to the gut will make them want to throw themselves into action. Eights, being irrationally retaliatory in the face of perceived threats or situations beyond their control, is why they look extremely emotional, and that emotion is often anger.


Out of all the types, Eights have the most access to their anger, which they often describe as a rush of energy or adrenaline. Compared to Nines and Ones, they have far less resistance to confronting people, identifying their anger, or expressing aggressive notions or feelings to others. Paradoxically, because Eights can so easily slip into a rage, it often means that they don't have to, since they come off as naturally intimidating or antisocial. When push comes to shove, and they're forced to retaliate, Eights will react in a burst of anger, like a volcano erupting. Then, as soon as the feelings of anger are discharged, they return to their "normal" state, and rarely feel any sort of guilt or shame for their anger. Once it's over, it's done.

Sexual Eights are charismatic and emotionally intense: they seem to "smolder." These 8s seek intensity through relationship, and the ups and downs of their lives are often seen in terms of relationship. The Sx 8 wants to "imprint" their significant other, to leave their mark. Whether they are dealing with love interests or are engaged in other activities, they enjoy the thrill of intense stimulation and can become addicted to adrenaline rushes."

That indicates there is an inconsistency in that people who claim to be a Te-dom and enneagram 8 at the same time must have mistyped themselves either in enneagram or MBTI or both. Repeating here, Te-doms are thinkers and decide by their head not their gut and are not prone to rage. Enneagram 8 definition for instance fits with ESxP demeanor, who decide by Se (gut) and are prone to anger and addicted to adrenaline rush and excitement.

So that kind of inaccurate data set cannot be relied upon to draw a correct conclusion about enneagram type and MBTI type correlations.

Instead, enneagram type definitions should be matched to MBTI type definitions. It can be done because enneagram and MBTI are actually explaining the same phenomenon but in different terminology.

Tested enneagram type and MBTI type should then be used to cross-check the typings in both systems against each other to measure the consistency of the individual's typing.

Big 5 can also be used as a third layer of consistency cross-check.

 

[highlander]

There is a bar chart in your original post. 8 represents someone prone to rage and who makes decisions by their gut in the heat of the moment. Te-doms are thinkers and decide by their head by weighing pros and cons and not by their gut and are also not prone to rage. Enneagram 8 definition for instance fits with ESxP demeanor, who decide by Se (gut) and are prone to anger. EDIT:

"Challengers are part of the "body-based" triad, along with Type One and Type Nine. The core emotion experienced by this triad is anger. While Ones and Nines more or less repress or ignore their anger, Eights have no problem accessing their anger, often expressing it impulsively. Eights are in touch with their instincts and "gut feelings", lending them to react like literal wild animals at the first sign of danger, and will often act irrationally in the eyes most people because of that instinct. More mature Eights will do so less often, but that hot punch to the gut will make them want to throw themselves into action. Eights, being irrationally retaliatory in the face of perceived threats or situations beyond their control, is why they look extremely emotional, and that emotion is often anger. Out of all the types, Eights have the most access to their anger, which they often describe as a rush of energy or adrenaline. Compared to Nines and Ones, they have far less resistance to confronting people, identifying their anger, or expressing aggressive notions or feelings to others. Paradoxically, because Eights can so easily slip into a rage, it often means that they don't have to, since they come off as naturally intimidating or antisocial. When push comes to shove, and they're forced to retaliate, Eights will react in a burst of anger, like a volcano erupting. Then, as soon as the feelings of anger are discharged, they return to their "normal" state, and rarely feel any sort of guilt or shame for their anger. Once it's over, it's done. Sexual Eights are charismatic and emotionally intense: they seem to "smolder." These 8s seek intensity through relationship, and the ups and downs of their lives are often seen in terms of relationship. The Sx 8 wants to "imprint" their significant other, to leave their mark. Whether they are dealing with love interests or are engaged in other activities, they enjoy the thrill of intense stimulation and can become addicted to adrenaline rushes."

That indicates there is an inconsistency in that people who claim to be a Te-dom and enneagram 8 at the same time must have mistyped themselves either in enneagram or MBTI or both. Repeating here, Te-doms are thinkers and decide by their head not their gut and are not prone to rage. Enneagram 8 definition for instance fits with ESxP demeanor, who decide by Se (gut) and are prone to anger and addicted to adrenaline rush and excitement. So that kind of inaccurate data set cannot be relied upon to draw a correct conclusion about enneagram type and MBTI type correlations. Instead, enneagram type definitions should be matched to MBTI type definitions. It can be done because enneagram and MBTI are actually explaining the same phenomenon but in different terminology. Tested enneagram type and MBTI type should then be used to cross-check the typings in both systems against each other to measure the consistency of the individual's typing. Big 5 can also be used as a third layer of consistency cross-check.

I have known a lot of ESTJ and ENTJs and think the stats seem pretty accurate.

 

[yeghor]

I have known a lot of ESTJ and ENTJs and think the stats seem pretty accurate.

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