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Well, it looks like everyone dropped this series or at least didn't bother to discuss further.
I finally picked up Season 4 earlier this week and just finished. To be honest, I liked it better than Season 3. I think the Underwoods do better when they are under threat and need to work together to keep from going under and to realize their ambitions. This was the effort of the first two seasons, but once Frank became president, then the third season was a bit more unfocused and without as much clarity.
There was something that happens partway into Season 4 (regarding Lukas) that felt very exploitative, the kind of thing that writers do when they don't know what to do with a character or with the plot, so I was kind of rolling my eyes... but there was actually method to the madness. It cleared off part of the board, put a few people in stasis, and the vacuum gave rise to a few other characters taking the initiative to do things. it's interesting to see what happens when the normal characters who command scenes temporarily are not there, so other characters then have space to do something. It also kick-started a few seemingly dead plotlines.
Frank has some pretty disturbing dreams in mid-season, and I love that they actually explore them. They're actually pretty horrific, emotionally; I thought they were great and disturbing. But one thing that does happen is that Frank and Claire are forced to become a team again, and as I noted above, when it's the Underwoods against the world, that's when they become most interesting. I'm glad the series went back to its roots in this way.
And okay -- Ellen Burstyn. I love this woman. (She plays Claire's mom.) She's so great in whatever she's in, one of the best actors currently living today, and here is no different. She elevates the material. There was one episode this season that left me sobbing for a bit, and it's mostly due to her.
Anyway, I have watched Game of Thrones more consistently, and I favor fantasy as a genre above political intrigue (it's just my personal inclination), but I consider House of Cards to be a better show dramatically. There are some basic reasons for this. One is the casting -- Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright ARE their characters, and I believe them when they are on the screen. They both can actually exude the kind of charisma the Underwoods wear as their public face, charming each in their own way (and Claire with a kind of queenly grace, while Francis is more down to earth), but each is also fiercely intimidating and even terrifying when they pull out the stops. And it's scary to witness... like, even as a viewer, I'm just like, "holy shit." (Francis gets a few good sequences in Season 4, the best maybe with Durant in terms of lowering the boom. But Claire as well, she can leave human connection behind when need be and simply be frank, forthright, and ruthless.)
I am not a fan of Joel Kinnaman, although he improved as the season continued -- I didn't much like him in Suicide Squad and any other movie I've seen in him, and he can be pretty damn flat as an actor. I don't find him particularly charismatic, which doesn't gel with him supposedly coming off well on social media. (it feels like a miscast.) However, I found him decent in the 'backroom' scenes and especially the one where he and Francis get together alone. Great scene.
Doug is getting himself in trouble again. I find Doug interesting in that what is happening inside of him seems to be ambiguous both to the audience AND to him. I wonder if he understands why he does the things he does. And of course this ties into his alcoholism. In any case, he seems to be particularly getting himself involved in something that will be doomed to fail in the end because (1) Doug has only one true love and that is Francis Underwood and (2) Doug's a ruthless asshole once he shows his true colors, he's not the nice guy he portrays himself as. He's obsessive and single-minded. Unless the show might be setting up a scenario in which Doug might decide he needs to change his life / finds something better?
Anyway, I thought the season was pretty great from Episode 3-10. The last few episodes got a little muddled, and I'm not sure how I feel about the domestic terrorism thing. Even the last moments of the season... pretty intense and am not sure how i feel.
But to get back to my previous point.... The last reason I really like this show much of the time is, because unlike GoT now, it gives the characters and the scenes space to breathe. Nothing feels rushed. Logistically things make sense. What other show has scenes where the characters say little and sometimes nothing, and simply exist in the same scene, yet that scene says more than any dialogue could say? I love love love that the scenes do not feel hurried and that characters are just being themselves with each other. I could watch most of these episodes again and enjoy them all over again.
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Side note: Neve Campbell looks/sounds an awful lot like Kate Mara in some of these scenes. Just a curiosity. Another side note, I think Rooney Mara is a better actress overall than Kate.
I finally picked up Season 4 earlier this week and just finished. To be honest, I liked it better than Season 3. I think the Underwoods do better when they are under threat and need to work together to keep from going under and to realize their ambitions. This was the effort of the first two seasons, but once Frank became president, then the third season was a bit more unfocused and without as much clarity.
There was something that happens partway into Season 4 (regarding Lukas) that felt very exploitative, the kind of thing that writers do when they don't know what to do with a character or with the plot, so I was kind of rolling my eyes... but there was actually method to the madness. It cleared off part of the board, put a few people in stasis, and the vacuum gave rise to a few other characters taking the initiative to do things. it's interesting to see what happens when the normal characters who command scenes temporarily are not there, so other characters then have space to do something. It also kick-started a few seemingly dead plotlines.
Frank has some pretty disturbing dreams in mid-season, and I love that they actually explore them. They're actually pretty horrific, emotionally; I thought they were great and disturbing. But one thing that does happen is that Frank and Claire are forced to become a team again, and as I noted above, when it's the Underwoods against the world, that's when they become most interesting. I'm glad the series went back to its roots in this way.
And okay -- Ellen Burstyn. I love this woman. (She plays Claire's mom.) She's so great in whatever she's in, one of the best actors currently living today, and here is no different. She elevates the material. There was one episode this season that left me sobbing for a bit, and it's mostly due to her.
Anyway, I have watched Game of Thrones more consistently, and I favor fantasy as a genre above political intrigue (it's just my personal inclination), but I consider House of Cards to be a better show dramatically. There are some basic reasons for this. One is the casting -- Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright ARE their characters, and I believe them when they are on the screen. They both can actually exude the kind of charisma the Underwoods wear as their public face, charming each in their own way (and Claire with a kind of queenly grace, while Francis is more down to earth), but each is also fiercely intimidating and even terrifying when they pull out the stops. And it's scary to witness... like, even as a viewer, I'm just like, "holy shit." (Francis gets a few good sequences in Season 4, the best maybe with Durant in terms of lowering the boom. But Claire as well, she can leave human connection behind when need be and simply be frank, forthright, and ruthless.)
I am not a fan of Joel Kinnaman, although he improved as the season continued -- I didn't much like him in Suicide Squad and any other movie I've seen in him, and he can be pretty damn flat as an actor. I don't find him particularly charismatic, which doesn't gel with him supposedly coming off well on social media. (it feels like a miscast.) However, I found him decent in the 'backroom' scenes and especially the one where he and Francis get together alone. Great scene.
Doug is getting himself in trouble again. I find Doug interesting in that what is happening inside of him seems to be ambiguous both to the audience AND to him. I wonder if he understands why he does the things he does. And of course this ties into his alcoholism. In any case, he seems to be particularly getting himself involved in something that will be doomed to fail in the end because (1) Doug has only one true love and that is Francis Underwood and (2) Doug's a ruthless asshole once he shows his true colors, he's not the nice guy he portrays himself as. He's obsessive and single-minded. Unless the show might be setting up a scenario in which Doug might decide he needs to change his life / finds something better?
Anyway, I thought the season was pretty great from Episode 3-10. The last few episodes got a little muddled, and I'm not sure how I feel about the domestic terrorism thing. Even the last moments of the season... pretty intense and am not sure how i feel.
But to get back to my previous point.... The last reason I really like this show much of the time is, because unlike GoT now, it gives the characters and the scenes space to breathe. Nothing feels rushed. Logistically things make sense. What other show has scenes where the characters say little and sometimes nothing, and simply exist in the same scene, yet that scene says more than any dialogue could say? I love love love that the scenes do not feel hurried and that characters are just being themselves with each other. I could watch most of these episodes again and enjoy them all over again.
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Side note: Neve Campbell looks/sounds an awful lot like Kate Mara in some of these scenes. Just a curiosity. Another side note, I think Rooney Mara is a better actress overall than Kate.