i found some enneagram tests i'd never taken this morning, and tried to do the "blindly" - not trying to figure out what the questions were asking, just going through it as quickly as i could and answering on my knee-jerk reactions.
Type 3 - 10.7
Type 7 - 10
Type 9 - 9
Type 4 - 7.3
Type 6 - 5
Type 2 - 2
Wing 3w4 - 14.4
Wing 4w3 - 12.7
Wing 7w6 - 12.5
Wing 7w8 - 12
Wing 3w2 - 11.7
Wing 9w8 - 11
Wing 6w7 - 10
Wing 9w1 - 9.2
Wing 4w5 - 8
Wing 2w3 - 7.4
Wing 6w5 - 5.7
Wing 2w1 - 2.2
Type 7 SX
Type 4 SX
Type 3 SX
Type 2 SX
Type 8 SO
Type 6 SX
Type 9 SX
Type 1 SO
Type 5 SX
Yes, but actually, we tend to adopt negatives sides of both 9 and 3 when we disintegrate, and positives sides of both 9 ans 3 when we integrate. But the wing lead us to take more negatives trait from one specific point than from the other when we integrate eand disintegrate. I mean that 6w5 disintegrate more in 3 than in 9 under stress, hard working, accumulating competence and knowledge and focuseed on one specific point but integrate more in 9 than in 3 in security, economise their energy, allow them to be more opened and warm, stay in their comfort zone and love it. While for 6w7 it is the contrary, they sisintegrate more in 9, conformist, going with the flow and trying to disarm others with personal warmth, and integrate more in 3 in security, are achiever and energetic, often glamorous. We move in the two direction with both wings, but the wing lean a global preference. A coloration.
huh. interesting. i would definitely be 6w7 based on that.
I relate on this totally. Hard working, trustworthy, etc, is my potential and ideal self, but and don't realize it often because I'm too much hesitant, fearful and distrusting, don't know how to use my energy.
my only difference, is that my reasons for not fulfilling those ideals is that i get bored and/or distracted. i don't know if i'm just in a particularly e7 mood today because i have the day off, but i'm not:
reliable - because i'm more interested in something else i'm doing and don't feel like doing the other thing
hard-working - unless i REALLY have a reason to get into whatever i'm doing. then i kick ass, i work fast and hard and finish asap
responsible - well, i am responsible. never mind on that one
trustworthy - ehhh. i tell secrets by accident sometimes. i don't realize, i just want to get in close with whoever i'm with, and say things about other people that are less than charitable. i mean if you TELL me to keep a secret, i'll keep it, but... i think how trustworthy i am depends on the person we're talking about and how much i rely on them (god, i sound like i use people) - but like, if we're talking an SO, i'll be VERY trustworthy, but someone who is entranced with me that i don't really like that much, well, less trustworthy probably...
7w6 are primarly oriented to positive options and trust spontaneously the positive potential of life, as long as they are not stuck in an option, they also tend to embellish their reality. 6w7 are primarly oriented to possibles danger and emphase the world spontaneously with disquietude and see positive possiblities as a secondary source of information that they can't really take seriously or trust.
i seem more 7ish this way... i don't know though. i've always had anxiety issues - had panic attacks when i was younger - how do i tell the difference between being a non-6 with some anxiety and a regular 6? are all anxious people sixes? i tend to trust in the far future being awesome but i get situationally anxious about the near future (will the crowd like me, what if i'm late, what if i can't get out, etc). i see more distrust in my dad (e5w6) than me, though... i tend to get kinda happy-go-lucky IT'LL BE FINE! even though i'm kind of anxious too. i dunno.
i'm just all over the place personality wise
Yeah sure, Brittany Murphy was ENFP also.
makes sense. sad she died
This don't relate very much to 3. Even as Ps, they have hard time to stop working while 6s have difficulties to finish project and still motivated. They are very good to avoid success, often say that they are interested with another thing and/or that they see a falure in the project wich justify to give up, that kind of thing.
yeah. well and i LOVE starting projects, i have a million going at once, but it's the damn follow-through that gets me. usually i only follow through because i need to for a good grade, or i want to please someone. i don't worry about projects failing, though, i have total confidence that i can do just about anything (my worries are much more about how others will react to me than about how i will fail). it's really funny, i've almost worked out a system for creating extrinsic motivation, i somehow wiggle things around so that i need to do something that will improve me by linking it to someone whose opinion i really care about, like so that they know i'm working on it, so i have motivation to finish all the way though
see, and it would be so easy to just say i'm a 7w6 (it would make so much sense), but what about all this 3ish stuff? i don't know. maybe i just seem 3ish because i'm socially anxious and because i have a hangup with self-improvement. or maybe i'm a confused 6w7. lol.
[quote[From I have read, with 3s, a very short time separate thought from action. While 6s have hard time to be engaged in a project, not because they are less energetic or competent, but because they doubt of their capacities or the value of the project. 3s avoid doubting, the more they doubt, the more they try to avoid doubting by cramming their agenda. 3s have as much difficulties to stop than 6s have difficulties to continue. [/quote]
crap, yeah, i don't tend to doubt either myself or the project. i just think of other things i would rather be doing - new projects to start, other things to take care of, etc. i'm so project oriented, i have projects running all the time. i finish maybe 30% of them, but it seems pretty productive because i have so many. and because i lie to make myself sound more productive. haha. i suck.
I've read also that people on the triangle, 3-6-9 are the ones who have the most difficulties to identify their type. 3s because they are transformist and can be whatver type they wan to be, or to believe they are the type they want to be, 9s because they don't know themselves and emphasise with each enneatype and 6 because they perpetually fall in constant auto-contradiction and doubting. I know what I mean, I followed that path.
hmmm. so here's what i'm thinking right this second: i
want to be like a 3, for reasons i don't really know (i mean who doesn't want to be successful), and i try for that in my life, but i'm not convinced that's my baseline. i'm anxious but i'm not really dutiful or committed... but i seem entirely too ok with conflict to be a 9. i don't like to numb out of life at all.
Most of the things you describe here could actually be called "struggle for identity", right ? you explain how you cant relate to overachiever's girl choices/identity which makes you confused, you are searching your identity outside of yourself, that is what 3s do. What is officially the biggest issue of feeling (2,3,4) triad? Identity.
yes, biggest struggle in my life for sure. who i am, what i will become, how i will be important. i know i want to be important. i want to
matter. i think that's my biggest fear in life, not mattering. though if mattering is boring... i don't know. it's the whole 7 pleasure thing, i want to have fun and be an achiever, both. it was so easy when i was younger because i liked school, loved learning. there wasn't a separation. achieving meant i would get better treatment so school was more fun, and doing schoolwork was fun so i would achieve more. they were all tied up in one another, they were the same thing!
yeah, at the same time she used to represent to you whats accepted, wanted, whats The Best, and what culture accepts, but at the other side that's simply not you, you have your personal desires etc. that are not exactly like cultures/hers so you cant look up to her if you want to be yourself.
yeah, exactly. she represents who i want to be but who i am not. i guess i should want to be who i am, but i feel like i should be able to be anything i want, so i should be able to be like her, even though i'm not like that naturally. she's a J and i wish wish wish i was a J.
and she's a 3, lol, so how confused am i? maybe i'm a 7 who wants to be a 3, but what does wanting to be a 3 say about me? do 7s want to be 3s? i don't know! lol! whatever type i am, i think i kind of fail at it.
I see in the bolded part of Palmer's interview exactly what Skylights's been explaining about her own case, that anxiety about "who am i?".
Not all 3s are always 3s, some 3s become 6 and 9s. In my own case, I am a 3, but for example my older sister is an ESTJ and a 3. She took all the lime light, which is one of the reason why I am not so much in 3, I could achieve but my sister was dominant and would get more apraisal, which makes me move more to 9. How I know I am a 3 is that I am incredibely achievement oriented, and it's my Top priority, but achievements wont make me happy by themselves, motives need to be genuine, but I always Ltry to "save myself" by planning big come backs. Nothing can make me more miserable than feeling like a "failure", which is not the case with some of my friends, you can see a clear difference; example INFJ-9.... he is not so vain about success as i am, i dislike letting know my "enemies" my failures
sick. then a 5 friend - he can not believe how obsessed with success I am... it became obvious isince i wasnt as successful in everything, while i was the best in my eyes, i wasnt aware how imp it is for me D
hmm. yeahhh i try to plan big comebacks too. i've been doing it ever since i was fairly young. i would plan how i would change myself over the summer and come back to school really awesome and popular and great in the fall. i hateeee people seeing my failures too. it's the most embarrassing thing, i freak out. i feel like i know what you mean about moving to 9 too. being in the presence of someone who continually overachieves beyond me pushes me to just not care about stuff. i feel like internally i'm pretty obsessed but i don't think anyone would know it externally. i mean i've always gotten high honors and stuff but i don't think it looks like i try, lol. sometimes i don't really, i just get lucky and know how to manipulate a bit.
Example of ENFP and 3. "Transformed"
i like her, she annoyed me at first but made me smile towards the end
she seems totally like a J though. i symphatize, i would go in there worried about what i'd slacked off on, concerned that she'd talk about that. whatever i've screwed up on. i definitely know what intimacy is though :/ interesting how she appears to have a lot of mental chatter though, me too. i thought 3s weren't supposed to have that because they're not head types.
The anxiety about "who I am" is usually felt when the 3 is connected to 6, wich is theorically the security point. The thing is that the security point is often what we avoid. I mean, and this is what I've read from Palmer, that when 3s are in security they can doubt about the genuine of their life and their achievements, and they usually don't want that, and so they try to avoid secured situations, craping their agendas and go further, as you put in your post. They can allow themself to move to 6 when they truly feel secured but other than that, they still in their impression that they are human doing and not human being, and seek to activities to alway still busy and avoid their security point, the 6, until they disintegrate in 9 and become totally unaware of their true self, but at the same time, feel rather happy because they are succesfull and everything seems cool.
huh. i feel like that makes a 3 and 7 sound the same... once you've acheived something / locked something in, you start doubting. when you're in a project or doing stuff it's okay though because you're working towards something. maybe i've misunderstood disintegration though. hm.
So, that part of your post relate to what I said about the difficulty for 3s to stop. It's quite different from what Skylight said I think, she said that she was hesitant and reluctant about jump to success, and tend to withdrawn from this. I think that relate to type 6 even if some of them are obssessed with success also, especially from the Sexual "Strength & Beauty" variant. 6s in their ego typically experiment frequent difficulties to finish projects, and sabote themselves to avoid success. If they find something wich can make them think "I am not true to my self with that success", they would be afraid to be considered as a traitor, or to be stuck and lose themselves, and so to give up, while 3s in their ego would chase that type of thought and pursue the work until the end.
well, not reluctant to jump to success - i love the limelight - but confused as to knowing which direction to go in. it was hard for me to choose electives in high school, hard for me to choose a college, hard for me to choose a major. i'm good at succeeding at what i choose but i have a hard time knowing what i want. i don't sabotage myself because i don't want success... but i do have trouble finishing things sometimes because i stop being interested in them. i see all their problems and i see other things i might want instead. more i'm thinking i'm a 7, sorry about your kidney petra :/
The challenge of the 6 is faith, they want and have difficulties at the same time to believe that they can be and allow them to be powerfull in their life and trust their success without fear the next danger or to not be authentic, while 3s want and experiment difficulties to be genuine and follow authentic success. Wich is very different. This is the perpetual balance between the mental fixation and the holy idea. I must admit that I am myself chronically obsessed with success, but I think finally understood the difference between the 3 style who compulsively identify to potential success and the 6 style who compulsively worry about the potentials wrong aspects of success, and of life in general. Egotic 3s avoid the doubting behavior of the 6 by being more active while 6s avoid the laid back and going with the flow behavior of the 9 by being more doubting, wich very different I think.
yeah it's very hard to see the difference
i think i have doubt in
who i am more than what i can do. i trust what i can do generally. i assume that i will be competent at whatever i try... i've never really been wrong about that. like choosing a career, i'm sure i can be good at whatever i choose. but will it be right? will i like it? will it fit me? will it reflect who i am? dunnooo
What I am saying here is what King-of-Despair realized in his own example while he was posting here, you can browse his posts, he was between 7,5,9,7,5,3,7 switching back and forth and I told him immediately he is a 3, because he vibes this way, months later he said he thought he is a 7 because he values some of seven's attitude so tried to take over that, but realized he is only 3, not a mix.
i think i'm the opposite of king of despair... a 7 who wants to be a 3... wtf
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I'm quite sure all the center types question their type a lot. The only reason why I settled with 9 was because my scores were scattered from 4-7 (who knows, maybe my true type is actually a 6.)
yeah. i thought i was a 9 at first because i couldn't decide what type i was. but to be honest i really don't sound like a 9 at all either
