entropie: But that doesnt mean the NT is more prone to have less Ne. If you would have a more Te prone ENFP for example, this could also work as a regulating mechanism for him.
Yes, the actual amount of Ne would and could be the same. The difference lies in the restraint or the indulgence of said Ne.
Te will restrain Ne, but theoretically not as much as Ti because (1) Te is a tertiary function in ENFPs and (2) because what mediates self-indulgent behavior (such as talking too much (Ne) is introverted jugdment (Ti/Fi).
Now I'm not saying its impossible for Fi to restrain Ne, just that I haven't seen this self-discipline yet, nor understood the theoretical basis of how this should be done
jenocyde: I don't understand what you mean by "split", can you please explain?
by split i mean percentages of the population at large. the ratio of xSFx to xSTx is roughly 50/50 whereas the ratio of xNFx to is roughly 67/33.
blackwater: Lots of potential whims will automatically be filtered from conciousness of the NT.
jenocyde: How are you basing this?
Gifts Differing, for example, says that Thinkiers dismiss irrelevancies.
Jung says so as well.
or more philosophically, logic is impersonal (although it can certainly be construed) - logic only allows for certain conclusions and so restricts the no. of possiblie conclusions one can come to on a topic.
by contrast, if feeling is defined as in opposition to logic and person-based (rather than object or systems-based) and pertaining to what values are true for the individual, then we have the standpoint of Protagoras:
"The way things appear to me, in that way they exist for me; and the way things appears to you, in that way they exist for you"
which allows for an endless number of conclusions
Blackwater: Though Athenian200, even though you could argue that from an indoling point of view N and T do not naturally go together, don't you think that sometimes, the adverse effects of the NT combination turn out to be better than the synergic effects of the NF combination? - Here I am thinking specifically of the ENTPs vs. ENFPs: Ne-users can really be a strain, talking too much and trusting blindly in their whim and spontaneous associations. With Ti, Ne is disciplined whereas with Fi, Ne is encouraged, regardless of the actual worth of the Ne.
jenocyde:This is completely subjective and irrelevant, imo.
i abhor statements like these. if you're going to dismiss what I have, at least take the trouble to formulate an actual critique. thanks.
jenocyde: N being with T must be natural, I don't believe that any of us are unnatural.
ok, natural isn't the best word.
let me give you another example of what I mean: 1,5% of the ethnic arab population naturally have blue eyes and red/blond hair and yet people say that it is 'natural' for arabs to have black hair and brown eyes.
in the same way, most iNtuitives are Feelers, but ~33% of them are Thinkers.
we could also call it 'expected' or another word all together.
jenocyde: I think that if people are saying that N and F are "feminine traits" and S and T are "masculine traits", then NT or SF should be more balanced, not less balanced
that was actually what I was getting at above ("the adverse effects of the NT combination turn out to be better than the synergic effects of the NF combination"), only you were too busy dismissing me out of hand to notice. hooray for you! :rolli: