HongDou
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- Nov 23, 2012
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- MBTI Type
- ENFP
- Enneagram
- 6w7
- Instinctual Variant
- so/sx
if you want to develop a thorough understanding of the Enneagram, then yes, I do. to make it easier though, I recommend skipping to the "trait structure" section (I believe it's section 3)
There is in lust not only pleasure, but pleasure in asserting the satisfaction of impulses, pleasure in the forbidden and, particularly, pleasure in fighting for pleasure.
It is this that makes lust a passion for intensity and not for pleasure alone. The extra intensity, the extra excitement, the “spice,†comes not from instinctual satisfaction, but from a struggle and an implicit triumph.
Another group of traits intimately connected to lust is that which could be labeled punitive, sadistic, exploitative, hostile. Among such traits we can find “bluntness,†“sarcasm,†“irony,†and those of being intimidating, humiliating, and frustrating. Of all characters, this is the most angry and the one least intimidated by anger.
In this overt sense type VIII is not strikingly vindictive; on the contrary, the character retaliates angrily at the moment and gets quickly over his irritation.
It is easy to see how dominance and aggressiveness are in the service of lust; particularly in a world that expects individual restraint, only power and the ability to fight for one’s wishes can allow the individual to indulge in his passion for impulse expression.
Also closely related to the hostile characteristic of ennea-type VIII are traits of toughness, manifest through such descriptors as “confrontativeness,†“intimidation,†“ruthlessness,†“callousness.â€
Related to this unsentimental, realistic, direct, brusque, blunt quality (this one is the total opposite of me, so I'm pasting it here to note that)
Risk-taking, in turn, feeds lust, for the type VII individual has learned to thrive on anxiety as a source of excitement, and rather than suffering, he has—through an implicit masochistic phenomenon—learned to wallow in its sheer intensity.
The cynical attitude to life of the exploitative personality is underscored by Fromm’s traits of skepticism, the tendency to look upon virtue as always hypocritical, distrust in the motives of others, and so on. (again, not me)
Ennea-type VIII people are entertaining, witty, and often charming, yet not vain in the sense of being concerned with how they appear.
As Horney has remarked, we could not expect anything other than self-reliance in one who approaches others as potential competitors or targets of exploitation.
Concentration on the present is not simply as a manifestation of mental health as it could be in other character dispositions, but the consequence of not deeming anything real that is not tangible and an immediate stimulus to the senses. (not me)