Oh, one thing I wanted to say. I think most EXFP so/sx types seem more 9-ish than they necessarily are. I'm married to an ESFP so/sx and I thought he had a 9 gut but the more I considered he for sure has a 1 gut. EXFP so/sx is such a fun, open, agreeable type it can be misleading.
So here I am, confusing you
No, this isn't confusing at all! Your experience with your EFP so/sx hubby definitely provides a lot of insight.
I agree with you (and I'm sure [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] has been mentioning it too) that a type like this is probably so open and agreeable, especially when my other fixes are positive outlook types, that it might make someone like they have a 9-fix when on a more personal level the general fear and motivation is 1 or 8. Plus what Nic was saying earlier made a lot of sense for the differences between us.
I think with a 1 fix you will see a lot of guilt, concern that they are a bad person or could become a bad person. They will use the words good/bad, right/wrong when upset or provoked. They can be angry when they do it, but they will use words like that. They will also feel a lot of 'shoulds' about things, like I should be a better person, I should be doing this and since I'm not I am a bad person. One fixers really work at being better people.
Haha yeah...you won't get this from me.
I certainly admire people like this though, always trying to better themselves.
8 fix, it's more about stepping on the person's toes. If they feel challenged or controlled or like you are challenging or controlling their people they will get angry. It's an explosion of energy and it feels more like 'I swear I will kill you if you mess with me or with that person.' It's not about right/wrong. It feels totally irrational and there is no controlling it. Eight fixers want to deal with things right the hell now, not when they've waited to cool off or whatever. NOW.
Hmm, in a 728 fixer though?
And so/sx. I am definitely protective over my sense of autonomy and my people and it's definitely a lot less rational. But I'm not as explosive as that for sure. I do want to deal with things as they come (minus things like you know...work and obligations, an E7's nightmare), but I also think about the future and how to cover for that as well while dealing with it immediately. That sounds more like 6 influence to me though.
I'm so blown away by...not just Elfboy's descriptions but pretty much everyone's for 2 reasons: 1.) how limited the range of behaviors seem to be for each type being discussed. And 2.) how it almost seems people are expecting each type to express itself in equal strength whether it be a core, wing or fix. This is all rather unthinkable to me but I have no problems imagining that I'm wrong in this regard so I'm now asking you to teach me...
These are both true. Especially since my gut fix is the least apparent in general, I'd expect in another universe where I would be the other fix I'm not here there wouldn't be much of a difference if that makes sense. I feel like people put too much weight into tritype. I remember Elfboy linked me a video of 729 which was all rainbows, sunshines, and unicorns and then the 728 video suddenly turned into these gangsters getting women and talking about their money and throwing around guns and stuff. I mean 9 and 8 are different types but that difference is just...way too different to be explained by only one fix haha unless it was core 9 vs a core 8.
Starting here: I've seen mentioned throughout this thread over and over just how assertive the e7 type is...and so what I'm now looking for from you is a 7 description that still makes use of the word assertive once 'wing 8' has been removed from the mix. While the 7w6 may be an optimist and forward-moving...none of that adds up to the authentic assertiveness of the 7w8. In fact, that 6 wing, from everything I've ever read, heralds in a good deal of anxiousness and paranioa and second-guessing...none of which are conducive to confidence and force. I have never understood the 7w6 as assertive on its own so I need you to tell me where I've gone wrong...
I think you're totally right here. Once again, now you're pushing me towards 8.
Starry, your intelligence is too much to handle! I'm wavering back and forth as the replies come. I think core 7s are generally upfront about what they want (hence, they're in the assertive triad), but I think you're right in saying that the 6 wing (especially for me since my 6 wing tends to go more phobic than counterphobic) adds a sense of insecurity, second-guessing, hesitation, etc. I think these triads are also taken a bit too seriously when really they're more just observed patterns, and wings can also factor into the equation and throw things off. 6 wing also adds more of a need to know where they stand with people, preserving their sense of security with others, so me being "pretty dominant" as you described might better be explained by an 8 fix than being E7.
Sorry for the late reply btw.
Also I decided that if I'm an 8-fixer, 8w7 is the way to go.
Although now my thoughts are pushing me back towards 9w1. Ahh, this is such a decision. Not gonna change who I am either way, but this is hard because my gut seems so hidden from me!