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Cold war 2.0

yeghor

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My views mostly align with these guys. It's a 78 minute discussion, I'd recommend everyone to watch it if they have time, you can accelerate it up to 2x speed on youtube if you like.

I guess they are FJs, probably IxFJs (left-centrists), so it can give you an idea about the FJ mindset when it comes to US and Global politics.

People's Podcast by Garland Nixon

Edit: Karyn might be an ENFP, and Sabria and Nick xNFJs, Garland an ISFJ.
 

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Daughter of 'spiritual guide' to Putin's Ukraine invasion killed in car explosion: Russian media

...the car she was traveling in belonged to her father. He believed Alexander was the true target of the blast, or possibly both of them.
"It's her father's car," Krasnov told TASS. "Dasha (Darya) drives another car, but she drove his car today, and Alexander went separately."
The senior Dugin is a far-right Russian author and ideologue, credited with being the architect or "spiritual guide" to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. He is purported to have significant influence over Russian President Vladimir Putin and is frequently described as "Putin's Brain."
 

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Summary of the war in Ukraine today:

Key Takeaways

  • Russian occupation officials in Crimea reported another drone attack on the Russian Black Sea Fleet Headquarters in Sevastopol and are likely considering strengthening security on the peninsula.
  • Russian forces conducted unsuccessful assaults across the Eastern Axis.
  • Russian forces attempted limited, failed assaults north of Kharkiv City.
  • Russian forces failed to advance after several assaults northwest of Kherson City and east of Mykolaiv City.
  • Ukrainian forces continued to strike Russian ammunition depots and positions in Kherson and Zaporizhia Oblasts.
  • Russian and proxy forces are continuing mobilization efforts, including forced mobilization in occupied territories and advertising campaigns.
  • Russian occupation authorities continued coercive measures to force civilian cooperation with the occupation administrations.
  • Conditions in occupied territories continued to deteriorate, indicating ineffective governance.
 

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Russian academic Alexander Dugin and his Daughter Darya Dugin, who was killed by explosives rigged to her father's car, probably meant for her father. Dugin says they've been receiving death threats from Ukrainian ultranationalists for a while.

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I think you are overapplying MBTI where it doesn't belong. That's not how psychology works and that's not how politics work.
 

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Russian academic Alexander Dugin and his Daughter Darya Dugin, who was killed by explosives rigged to her father's car, probably meant for her father. Dugin says they've been receiving death threats from Ukrainian ultranationalists for a while.

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Russia said Monday that Ukraine was behind a car bombing in the outskirts of Moscow that killed the daughter of hard-line Russian ideologue Alexander Dugin, an attack that President Vladimir Putin called a “vile crime.” Dugin — an outspoken ultranationalist intellectual and a vocal supporter of the Kremlin's offensive in Ukraine — is thought to have been the likely target of the attack.

Daria Dugina was killed Saturday when a bomb placed in a Toyota Land Cruiser went off as she drove on a highway some 40 kilometers (25 miles) outside Moscow.

"The crime was prepared and committed by Ukrainian special services," the FSB security service said in a statement carried by Russian news agencies. It added that the perpetrator — a female Ukrainian citizen born in 1979 — on Sunday fled to EU member Estonia. The FSB in its statement identified the woman as Natalia Vovk.

According to the FSB statement, the attacker arrived in Russia in July 2022 with her underage daughter and rented an apartment in the same building where Dugina lived. The supposed attacker followed Dugina in a Mini Cooper with registration plates issued in Kazakhstan, Ukraine and in the breakaway Donetsk People's Republic in eastern Ukraine, the FSB added. The FSB said the attacker was at a festival outside Moscow that Dugin and his daughter attended on Saturday.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022...r-death-of-kremlin-ideologues-daughter-a78627
 

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Russian academic Alexander Dugin and his Daughter Darya Dugin, who was killed by explosives rigged to her father's car, probably meant for her father. Dugin says they've been receiving death threats from Ukrainian ultranationalists for a while.

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Russia Claims Ukrainian Daria Dughina's Assassin (Natalia Vovk) Came to Moscow with her Daughter and Killed Darya Dugina with Car Bomb and Fled to Estonia.

The victim of the car explosion, Daria Dugina

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Russian law enforcement (FSB) asserts that the assassin has been identified as Natalia Vovk, a 43 years old Ukrainian citizen, and member of the Ukrainian ultranationalist Azov battalion, who was assigned by Ukraine's secret services.

The Ukrainian Presidency previously denied any connection to the attack. “Ukraine has absolutely nothing to do with the explosion (on Saturday), because we are not a criminal state,” said adviser to the Ukrainian presidency Mikhailo Podoliak.

The FSB’s story collides with the skepticism of those who are still waiting for detailed explanations of what happened at the scene, how the bomb was planted and why there were security cameras turned off in key places.

The following alleged photos of Natalia Vovk was subsequently released for identification.

Natalia Vovk
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Natalia Vovk
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The image of Dugin looking on at moment the explosion happened is quite shocking. It makes one think about how many such moments in have gone unrecorded and how much suffering in war has been completely lost to history. Not even lost: history never had them in the first place and it never will.

In any case, what is the most worrying is that the United States and NATO are repeating the same mistakes with Vladimir Putin that we made with Saddam Hussein in the 1990s, in that period between the First and Second Gulf Wars. Of course, Russia is not Iraq, Putin is not the same as Saddam (or not exactly identical at any rate), and Ukraine is not Kuwait (and Kurdistan), but the parallels are too close for me to ignore. The war where almost nothing is what it seems. (Notice the "this time is different" reasoning implied in the title?)
The sanctions have had mixed results, partly because much of the world has refused to join the West in condemning Russia. China has backed the Kremlin diplomatically, though it has been careful about sending weapons. India, like a lot of countries, has chosen not to impose sanctions but instead called for all sides to talk peace. Both have bought extra Russian oil, dulling the impact of Western sanctions. Some countries are sympathetic to Russia’s argument that America and the West arrogantly throw their weight around; some are angry at the suffering caused by expensive oil and food—though the prices of both have started to abate. (In the case of grain that is partly because Russia and Ukraine came to an agreement about shipments out of Odessa.) Few countries seem to agree with the Western argument that they have an interest in upholding the principle that a big power should not invade its neighbours.
 

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The image of Dugin looking on at moment the explosion happened is quite shocking. It makes one think about how many such moments in have gone unrecorded and how much suffering in war has been completely lost to history. Not even lost: history never had them in the first place and it never will.

In any case, what is the most worrying is that the United States and NATO are repeating the same mistakes with Vladimir Putin that we made with Saddam Hussein in the 1990s, in that period between the First and Second Gulf Wars. Of course, Russia is not Iraq, Putin is not the same as Saddam (or not exactly identical at any rate), and Ukraine is not Kuwait (and Kurdistan), but the parallels are too close for me to ignore. The war where almost nothing is what it seems. (Notice the "this time is different" reasoning implied in the title?)

First Gulf War justication - Saddam invaded Kuwait yet turns out CIA gave him the green light.

Second Gulf War justification - Saddam had chemical weapons of mass destruction, turns out to be bogus.

Result, Dictator who refuses to be controlled removed, Iraq still unstable after 20 years, country's resources exploited by US corporations by bribing corrupt Iraqi officials.

EDIT: Need to add that while waging those wars, US taxpayers' money (public funds) are being grabbed by US corporations (the military industrial complex and their political lackeys) as well.

What's the mistake here?
 
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Why the Russian economy keeps beating expectations
The Economist’s analysis of data from a wide variety of sources suggests that Russia’s economy is doing better than even the most upbeat forecasts predicted, as sales of hydrocarbons have fuelled a record current-account surplus. (Me: It's difficult not to see the irony here) Take, for example, a “current-activity indicator” published by Goldman Sachs, a bank, a real-time measure of economic growth. This declined dramatically in March and April, if not on a scale comparable with the global financial crisis of 2007-09 or even the invasion of Ukraine in 2014. In subsequent months it has recovered.
Further:
The third factor relates to hydrocarbons. Sanctions have had a limited impact on Russian oil output, according to a recent report by the International Energy Agency. Since the invasion Russia has sold in the region of $85bn-worth of fossil fuels to the eu. The way in which Russia spends the foreign currency thus accumulated is something of a mystery, given sanctions on the government. There is little doubt, though, that these sales are helping Russia to continue to buy imports—not to mention pay soldiers and buy weapons.
Like I said, @yeghor, the situation with respect to Russia and Vladimir Putin is not identical to that of Saddam Hussein and Iraq during the Clinton administration (and also during the first Bush administration after the First Gulf War). I merely want to point out that the approach the United States and NATO are taking is the same, and is unsurprisingly having the same lack of results.
 

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Mmmm that sweet sweet grey area between plausible deniability and science fiction. The stuff dreams are made of, the seeds of folk lore planted in the fertile soil of the human mind. The last time this happened we got some of the greatest urban legends of our time...I can't wait to see what stories grow from this....​
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ign-journalists-who-are-not-respectful-report

Solomon Islands to ban foreign journalists who are not ‘respectful’ – report​

PM office says journalists cannot operate in the Pacific as they do in other countries, accusing Australia’s ABC of ‘racial profiling’ in China coverage

The Solomon Islands government has reportedly threatened to ban foreign journalists from entering the Pacific nation if they are not “respectful” or if they engage in “racial profiling” in stories about the country’s ties with China.

The office of the prime minister, Manasseh Sogavare, issued a statement on Wednesday saying that overseas journalists needed to understand they could not operate in the Pacific the same way they did in other countries, the ABC has reported.

“The Pacific is not the same as Australia or United States. When you chose to come to our Pacific Islands, be respectful, be courteous and accord the appropriate protocols,” the statement read.

The statement said journalists who did not appreciate the differences would “not be allowed to enter Solomon Islands and other Pacific Islands nations”.

The statement was particularly critical of the ABC’s reporting of China’s growing presence in Solomon Islands, accusing the Four Corners programme of engaging in racial stereotyping and the “intentional use of misinformation” in an episode from 1 August titled Pacific Capture: How Chinese money is buying the Solomons.

The ABC rejected those accusations in an earlier statement, saying it stood by the episode and that its main interview subjects were Solomon Islanders raising concerns about China’s presence.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ever-seen-such-secrecy-as-the-last-few-months
Solomon Islands has been at the centre of regional and global attention over a controversial security deal it struck with China earlier this year.

The draft deal, leaked in March, allows Solomon Islands to call on China to send “police, armed police, military personnel and other law enforcement” to the country for various reason including “maintaining social order” and “protecting people’s lives and property”.

The statement from Sogavare’s office claimed ABC reporting of China’s actions in Solomon Islands amounted to “racial profiling”, however, and that the broadcaster was “trying to tell the Solomon Islands people that because the government of Solomon Islands is opening up to partners who are not, in the opinion of ABC, white and does not operate a democratic system it is wrong, unfit and corrupt”.

It went on to say: “The constitution of Solomon Islands protects Solomon Islands from racial discrimination and the government of Solomon Islands will ensure that racial practices are eliminated from Solomon Islands.”

The statement provided no detail on the mechanism or timeline of a prospective ban. The office of the immigration minister was contacted for comment.

Solomon Islands has previously prompted outrage by ordering the censorship of its national broadcaster, forbidding it from publishing material critical of the government, which will vet all stories before broadcast.

At the beginning of August the government announced that the Solomon Islands Broadcasting Corporation (SIBC), a public service broadcaster established in 1976 by an act of parliament, would be brought under government control.

Staff at SIBC confirmed that all news and programmes would be vetted by a government representative before broadcast.



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Translation: Democracy and freedom of the press are white inventions and criticizing authoritarianism or a lack of freedom is racist.
 

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(boldface emphasis changed by me)
Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu stated on August 24 that Russian forces are slowing down the overall pace of their offensive operations in Ukraine while reaffirming that Russia’s objectives in the war have not changed. ...The Russian MoD has previously issued similar statements to account for the pace of operations in Ukraine.[3]

Shoigu's statement may also represent an attempt by the Russian MoD to set information conditions to explain and excuse the negligible gains Russian forces have made in Ukraine in the last six weeks. Since Russian forces resumed offensive operations following a pause on July 16 Russian forces have gained about 450.84 km2 (roughly 174 square miles) of new territory, an area around the size of Andorra. Russian forces have lost roughly 45,000 km2 of territory since March 21 (the estimated date of Russian forces’ deepest advance into Ukraine), an area larger than Denmark. As ISW has previously assessed, Russian forces are unable to translate limited tactical gains into wider operational successes, and their offensive operations in eastern Ukraine are culminating. Shoigu’s statement is likely an attempt to explain away these failings.[4]

 

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This guy's reasoning is emotional rather than realistic. He's taking emotional sides and that is skewing his analysis. He says Russia lost the war and lost face before the world etc. He doesn't mention anything about:

-that India, Africa, China (like anyone besides the Western Anglo-Saxon World) not taking part in sanctions
-that Russia has captured industry-heavy parts of Ukraine in the East, including a Nuclear Power Plant
-that Ukraine is about to collapse and is relying on US-aid
-that Russia is still selling its oil and gas
-that Western companies that moved out of Russia are at loss and Russian local businesses have replaced them
-that Energry prices in Europe have skyrocketed, hurting European economies
-that this has prevented Russia's integration into the 1st World and pushed it away to the 2nd World league.
-that this has given US-led NATO league to justify its continued existence whereas Warsaw Pact was already dissolved back in 1991.

So it's not just Russia that seems to have lost here as far as I can see.
 

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This guy's reasoning is emotional rather than realistic. He's taking emotional sides and that is skewing his analysis. He says Russia lost the war and lost face before the world etc. He doesn't mention anything about:

-that India, Africa, China (like anyone besides the Western Anglo-Saxon World) not taking part in sanctions
-that Russia has captured industry-heavy parts of Ukraine in the East, including a Nuclear Power Plant
-that Ukraine is about to collapse and is relying on US-aid
-that Russia is still selling its oil and gas
-that Western companies that moved out of Russia are at loss and Russian local businesses have replaced them
-that Energry prices in Europe have skyrocketed, hurting European economies
-that this has prevented Russia's integration into the 1st World and pushed it away to the 2nd World league.
-that this has given US-led NATO league to justify its continued existence whereas Warsaw Pact was already dissolved back in 1991.

So it's not just Russia that seems to have lost here as far as I can see.

So what do you suggest instead?
What is your reasoning?
Out of curiosity you're not a contrarian, or accelerationist by any chance are you?

With all due respect... You seem worried an awful lot about whatever straws didn't get held up for examination; I will point out that this is one nine minute video in a series that has been discussed since may so your...little straws are men that have already been addressed, though it seems perhaps...you must have missed researching them more. At least, your words indicate as such. But it's ok, sometimes on internet forums emotions lead seem to lead to posting feelings first, then comes the research. Just take a few deep breaths, relax, and the emotional response will calm, and you'll manage to get a handle on them. You wouldn't be the first nor the last. In and out...There we go. You got this. It seems very....human. But yes. If the peas under your pile of mattresses above is truly something that bothers you not discussed in this singular 9 minute video, calm your emotions, and scroll back up, do that dry emotionless research and buckle up....if you're arguing in good faith of course... He addresses the situation quite thoroughly over the course of several months; so depending on if its potentially triggering, it could take a while.

Also what's your background in military operations?
 
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