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Cold war 2.0

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I was pleased to read this. My impression of Corbyn is that he is a crackpot Marxist. A serious threat to any country in which he might gain power. I know the Labour party is likely to win the next election in Britain and I was not sure where they stood under this Keir Starmer guy. If Corbyn doesn't like him or the party policies under him, it's a hearty endorsement.

Still hoping for Sunak though. His scheme to deport illegal migrants to Rwanda is a thing of pure beauty. If he could get that up and running (a near impossible task I would imagine as the left will litigate against it until the end of time) it could become a great model for the rest of the world to follow.
 

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This Kenya-Haiti thing is almost guaranteed to be a shit show. Kenya is purely in it for cash and benefits, they don't give damn about Haiti. When money is the underlying motive, it's almost certain to result in no long term good (just and endless black hole for more cash to be poured into).

Guess we'll see, many hundreds of millions down the road.
 

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I was pleased to read this. My impression of Corbyn is that he is a crackpot Marxist. A serious threat to any country in which he might gain power. I know the Labour party is likely to win the next election in Britain and I was not sure where they stood under this Keir Starmer guy. If Corbyn doesn't like him or the party policies under him, it's a hearty endorsement.

Still hoping for Sunak though. His scheme to deport illegal migrants to Rwanda is a thing of pure beauty. If he could get that up and running (a near impossible task I would imagine as the left will litigate against it until the end of time) it could become a great model for the rest of the world to follow.

The main problem of Sunak is that the party is in power for something like a decade and they cycled a fair amount of Prime minsters over that period (while the results weren't all that great). Therefore they just don't have the opportunity for "this time it is going to be ok". The country simply wants to turn a new page and that will almost surely decide things in the big picture. Especially since change of leadership would kinda close the Brexit era (and the country indeed needs to move on).


All of this is especially probable since Starmer seem to be playing this centrist + reasonable guy card all the time. What should be acceptable to the most of electorate.
 

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I'd say I'm definitely with the Greens, although I have some differences. I like that it's an ambitious agenda, although I'm not sure how it would get passed or implemented.

In the second one, I saw some guy named Anders from Norway talking about swamp. I'm not making it a high priority to watch this right now, because I already feel I have the jist of it.
 

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I'd say I'm definitely with the Greens, although I have some differences. I like that it's an ambitious agenda, although I'm not sure how it would get passed or implemented.

In the second one, I saw some guy named Anders from Norway talking about swamp. I'm not making it a high priority to watch this right now, because I already feel I have the jist of it.


If you are a progressive in US that basically translates to Green in Europe.

While for the other video: lets just say that it ends with "Make Europe great again".


However since I posted all other groups I have posted this one as well. Therefore I think that now I have all 7 of them (if you don't count independents as one). I mean I posted all of that among other things as a lesson in multiparty democracy. There really is no needs to push everything into 2 options (and EU has more voters than US has people overall). Therefore if it can work here for decades it can work across the pond as well.
 

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While for the other video: lets just say that it ends with "Make Europe great again".
That was what I thought.
However since I posted all other groups I have posted this one as well. Therefore I think that now I have all 7 of them (if you don't count independents as one). I mean I posted all of that among other things as a lesson in multiparty democracy. There really is no needs to push everything into 2 options (and EU has more voters than US has people overall). Therefore if it can work here for decades it can work across the pond as well.
I don't doubt it would work, the difficulty is in making the change happen. I've read (and it seems to make sense to me) that the main obstacle is the lack of proportional representation. I'm not sure how first-past-the-post (winner-take-all) was decided upon; I've read things suggesting it's in the Constitution for the President, but nothing for the other offices. If it's in the constitution you would need a constitutional amendment for this to be viable. 2/3s of both the House and the Senate would need to vote for it, or 3/4 of state legislatures have to approve that. I can't see netting that, especially because I don't see either party being on board with that because it means they would have less relevance.
 

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I don't doubt it would work, the difficulty is in making the change happen. I've read (and it seems to make sense to me) that the main obstacle is the lack of proportional representation. I'm not sure how first-past-the-post (winner-take-all) was decided upon; I've read things suggesting it's in the Constitution for the President, but nothing for the other offices. If it's in the constitution you would need a constitutional amendment for this to be viable. 2/3s of both the House and the Senate would need to vote for it, or 3/4 of state legislatures have to approve that. I can't see netting that, especially because I don't see either party being on board with that because it means they would have less relevance.

Of course that this level of changes wouldn't be easy. This is exactly why it is important to show examples of where this is common practice. Since in the end this can only come from people which will demand changes. What is important because exactly through multi-party dynamic most of the best comes into play. Since in multiparty system if you suck you can get 0 seats, so you must be careful with what you are doing over the mandate. Therefore through coalition formation that are needed to get to a ruling majority there are often new proposals that are coming into play (step that is unneeded in duopoly). What is exactly what pushes things forward. Plus from time to time entirely new party shows up or some old one evaporates.


2 party system is basically corpo duopoly and multiparty system is free market. Therefore there is very little doubt which scenario will be more innovative and thus more on point on the long run.
 

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Le Pen to Meloni: Let’s team up and form EU Parliament’s No. 2 group


And this would be the end of an era.
This would change the very basics of how dynamic within the system works.


Von der Leyen faces Socialist revolt over her far-right flirtation with Meloni


When you merge these two articles into a single story you are getting some "interesting" conclusions. Which is that if the left and center will be too pushy 3 right wing blond women may decided to make right wing mega coalition. For decades the rule was that those around the center make a ruling coalition, while the edges are the opposition. In other words if the left and center decide to ditch Von der Layen for the top job Meloni and Le Pan could jump in with their own right wing blocks and allies as replacements (and possibly have enough of seats). Not to mention that both are removing radicals in order to look more mentally stable as political blocks. What in other words would mean that the new executive branch would be entirely to the right of center in this scenario. What would basically change the whole nature of the EU.

I mean what is kinda weird is the fact that this doesn't even seem to be as that much of stretch. Many people behind Von der Layen are kinda fed up with the idea that again they have to be in a coalition with center left and center (especially due to migrations and foreign policy). Plus the number of coalitions on national and locals levels between these 3 groups is growing as the time is passing (and many are actually pretty stable).

However if this comes to life this is going to be a COMPLETE system shock. Far beyond what happened in US in 2016.
 

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What in other words would mean that the new executive branch would be entirely to the right of center in this scenario. What would basically change the whole nature of the EU.

I mean what is kinda weird is the fact that this doesn't even seem to be as that much of stretch. Many people behind Von der Layen are kinda fed up with the idea that again they have to be in a coalition with center left and center (especially due to migrations and foreign policy). Plus the number of coalitions on national and locals levels between these 3 groups is growing as the time is passing (and many are actually pretty stable).

However if this comes to life this is going to be a COMPLETE system shock. Far beyond what happened in US in 2016.
Sounds like it might be a good thing. There is nothing inherently wrong with right of center policies. In fact, as too many years of left of center policies has led to many issues and problems, a shift the other way might prove beneficial. Almost necessary at this point. A few terms of right of center policies are needed to offset years of left of center policies to restore some balance towards the center, which is needed IMO.
 
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