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Libertarianism, man. This is what far right politics gets you.



In my book this is all pure libertarianism. Far right would involve much more "institutional" responses. Also in that case he would go after parties and rich people who brought the country to this position. While from what I see that isn't really going to be the case. Instead he will basically improvise with a few ideas and principles while hopping it is enough (it probably wouldn't be). In my part of the world the two ideologies really don't like each other. Although for Argentina your definitions are perhaps more correct.

Just saying.
 

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When will people ever learn? Do people think this time will be the time it works?


They will learn when they lose power to more structured societies. Order and planning almost by default are winning on the long run. And no, structure and authoritarianism are two different things. They can come together but they don't have to by definition.
 

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In my book this is all pure libertarianism. Far right would involve much more "institutional" responses. Also in that case he would go after parties and rich people who brought the country to this position. While from what I see that isn't really going to be the case. Instead he will basically improvise with a few ideas and principles while hopping it is enough (it probably wouldn't be). In my part of the world the two ideologies really don't like each other. Although for Argentina your definitions are perhaps more correct.

Just saying.
Just wait. I guarantee that this fucking garden gnome is going to muster the military and every industry in Argentina to serve whatever mental idea he's got. And I'm betting he starts with the high court that just ruled against his "labor reforms".



 

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Just wait. I guarantee that this fucking garden gnome is going to muster the military and every industry in Argentina to serve whatever mental idea he's got. And I'm betting he starts with the high court that just ruled against his "labor reforms".

We will see but that is because there is actually a zone between libertarianism and far right. Which very likely could be where this guy actually belongs. However he is throwing out way too many institutions and rules to be far right (in my book). For me he is more of mumbo jumbo guy than anything else.

But never mind since we surely don't have the same definition of right wing in general. In other words this doesn't matter since it is irrelevant for the situation at hand. Which is that the guy will probably wreck plenty and perhaps even cause civil war in the end. Since hungry people tend to get violent (and they are hungry already at the start of his "experiment").
 

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What I wanted to say but it came out kinda wrong:

Banning ministry of agriculture, banning ministry of transportation, etc. in the middle of SEVERE economic crisis isn't far right. It is just pure stupidity. What is really a category on it's own.
 

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What I wanted to say but it came out kinda wrong:

Banning ministry of agriculture, banning ministry of transportation, etc. in the middle of SEVERE economic crisis isn't far right. It is just pure stupidity. What is really a category on it's own.
In the end, the people suffer. Same as they do here, same as they do in Europe or the Middle East (well, they're getting bombed by us by proxy). It doesn't especially matter what it's labeled but politicians and interests that lean right (authoritarian right, libertarian, flat out conservatives - US version...) are out to smash and grab and destabilize whatever they can for profit. Liberals just let it happen since they benefit.
 

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When will people ever learn? Do people think this time will be the time it works?
I'm not defending Milei, because I knew he would be crazy, however, you could make the above statement in regards to Argentina's previous socialist governments who got them into such a sorry state that Milei could come to power.

They made their bed, now they get to lie in it. Argentina has defaulted on their debt so often nobody will lend them any money any more, so they can't go back to socialism even if they want to (much as I am sure they would like to).
 

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I'm not defending Milei, because I knew he would be crazy, however, you could make the above statement in regards to Argentina's previous socialist governments who got them into such a sorry state that Milei could come to power.

They made their bed, now they get to lie in it. Argentina has defaulted on their debt so often nobody will lend them any money any more, so they can't go back to socialism even if they want to (much as I am sure they would like to).

That is the part of the argument I didn't want to go in but there is evidently something here.

In other words win of Milei has to be put into the context. Which is that the alternative was the people who brought the country into this mess. Plus they as country were months away from BRICS membership, where they would basically be China's colony. So the people simply decided to gamble with the wildcard. Given that choice I would probably do the same. With this you at least have something to hope for and with time perhaps someone better will come. While if you go China you will end up as Belarus or Venezuela. If the north Atlantic is smart they will try to put Argentina back on it's feet. Since that is country of value in numerous ways. In other words diplomacy can make that Milei doesn't go too far with crazy stuff.


Debt clock says that the ratio between public debt and GDP is 91%. What is something that can be managed if inflation can be brought under control.
 

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Germany: Sahra Wagenknecht presents new political party

Here we go, the show is officially on the road. I mean if this party fully takes off the Germany will probably never be the same again. Especially since in that case the ideas will spread further around Europe for sure. What means that the established parties will have to find a way to contain this before it spreads. Although I find this kinda funny in the "defying labels" part, since this is basically pure East European mainstream in the terms of positions.


Herring you are more than welcome to leave a comment.
 
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