LightSun
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A friend wrote, "...Jew in his life time (as stated in the bible, but what isn't stated in the bible, is that Jews don't believe in "hell" as defined by Christians, as they believe that if there is any form of "hell" It is on this earth plane...do you find that interesting?"
(1) Yes the Christian and Judaic concept of any hell is different. The friend is correct bulls eye. Anyway the Old testament there is no fiery hell. And there is no eternal damnation.
(2) Also in the book of Genesis there are two distinct different creation narratives.
(3) The point in the Old testament one had God a 'Jealous God' and "An Angry God Full of Wrath.' According to The Old testament God wiped armies out in his either wrath and the protecting of his people.
The story of an 'Angry God' is his wiping off the map both Sodom and Gomorrah.
(4) Meanwhile the Christian New Testament says God is a 'Merciful God,' a 'Loving God,' and a God full of 'Grace.' For we are all sinners. And none by their acts or obedience or goodness would be able or worthy but for God's grace to enter the kingdom of heaven.
I highlighted God's different personalities. In the Old testament 'A god of Wrath, Anger and Jealousy.' In the New testament of the new Christian faith 'God is a Merciful, Loving God full of Grace.'
(5) Jesus chose making amendments to the old faith of practiced laws in the Judaic Bible. One was "I say to you it's known the 10 commandments of Moses but I say unto you follow these two commandments, "Love thy God with all thy might' and 'Love thy neighbor' for there are no greater commands than these I set before you." This amendment as well other examples and amendments to Judaic laws to fall in line with his new message of the 'Loving God' and his practice and preaching of love.
(6) To me the Old Testament is entirely Judaism. In fact I propose to you that in fact the New Testament and Old testament are in reality two distinct religion's. I think these two distinct and different religions. The holy doctrines became finally merged due in fact for the two distinctive reasons to establish a royal lineage and Jesus was Jewish and his prayer was to the God of the Hebrews. After all said Jesus was part of the Jewish heritage and practiced it's principles. Thus a connection.
(7) Jesus ancestry became known as going back to the time of King David thus a royal lineage can be established, and this was extremely important as to establish Jesus as of royal blood and the anointed son of God. This will establish legitimacy for the new faith to sprout and grow as well also not being extinguished.
(8) A interesting anecdote Jesus had this new message full of love. If however the Apostle Paul did not travel in his missionary work and spread the gospel or the 'Good News' the Christian faith may have been extinguished. It was Paul's Journeys which established and put roots into the ground far and wide for Jesus never did leave Galilee.
(8) (Now I am aware there are people who say the missing years Jesus traveled in different lands such like Egypt and India). However this isn't in the Protestant Bible or the Apocrypha. These missing years would have been after the earlier brief stories of Jesus.
(9) One whereupon he taught at the synagogue at a mere 12 years of age and the men became filled with wonderment and whispered among one another, "How can this boy speak with such authority on the scripture. Now his parents Mary and Joseph did not know where he was at. Another story where Mary asked Jesus to please help turn water into wine at a wedding. But what happened to these missing years between 12 and 30 and this is where there are many who do believe he traveled diverse areas.
The various books that are in the Apocrypha were deemed by a council as not being divinely inspired or Holy so were left out of the Bible, except the Catholic and Orthodox Christian Bible which does have the Apocrypha in the Holy Texts.
(10) I never could get around that the entire 2000 years after Christ's death the Jewish faith has been ruthlessly attacked by Christians in every land far and wide. .
(11) The Jewish (Unfairly) have been blamed for Jesus death.
(12) Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Albert Einstein and a wealth of studious and science minded individuals are among a pantheon of greats.
(13) Hitler drove out Einstein and a host of the scholars, wealthy and population out of Europe {Much to Hitler's detriment). The Spanish Inquisition too torturing the Jewish faith and lesson their wealth. Russia, Poland, Germans of the Holy Roman Empire did persecute too.
(13) The Jewish people were not a war driven army. They did not have a home. No army.
(14) They were small population in comparison.
(15) Thus leads to an easy scapegoat.
(16) The Jewish people were mercantile, rich banking institutions all around Europe, Middle east and Africa. Also they had diamonds trade. Thus greed, the outsider and viewed 'different', in the negative sense."
(1) Yes the Christian and Judaic concept of any hell is different. The friend is correct bulls eye. Anyway the Old testament there is no fiery hell. And there is no eternal damnation.
(2) Also in the book of Genesis there are two distinct different creation narratives.
(3) The point in the Old testament one had God a 'Jealous God' and "An Angry God Full of Wrath.' According to The Old testament God wiped armies out in his either wrath and the protecting of his people.
The story of an 'Angry God' is his wiping off the map both Sodom and Gomorrah.
(4) Meanwhile the Christian New Testament says God is a 'Merciful God,' a 'Loving God,' and a God full of 'Grace.' For we are all sinners. And none by their acts or obedience or goodness would be able or worthy but for God's grace to enter the kingdom of heaven.
I highlighted God's different personalities. In the Old testament 'A god of Wrath, Anger and Jealousy.' In the New testament of the new Christian faith 'God is a Merciful, Loving God full of Grace.'
(5) Jesus chose making amendments to the old faith of practiced laws in the Judaic Bible. One was "I say to you it's known the 10 commandments of Moses but I say unto you follow these two commandments, "Love thy God with all thy might' and 'Love thy neighbor' for there are no greater commands than these I set before you." This amendment as well other examples and amendments to Judaic laws to fall in line with his new message of the 'Loving God' and his practice and preaching of love.
(6) To me the Old Testament is entirely Judaism. In fact I propose to you that in fact the New Testament and Old testament are in reality two distinct religion's. I think these two distinct and different religions. The holy doctrines became finally merged due in fact for the two distinctive reasons to establish a royal lineage and Jesus was Jewish and his prayer was to the God of the Hebrews. After all said Jesus was part of the Jewish heritage and practiced it's principles. Thus a connection.
(7) Jesus ancestry became known as going back to the time of King David thus a royal lineage can be established, and this was extremely important as to establish Jesus as of royal blood and the anointed son of God. This will establish legitimacy for the new faith to sprout and grow as well also not being extinguished.
(8) A interesting anecdote Jesus had this new message full of love. If however the Apostle Paul did not travel in his missionary work and spread the gospel or the 'Good News' the Christian faith may have been extinguished. It was Paul's Journeys which established and put roots into the ground far and wide for Jesus never did leave Galilee.
(8) (Now I am aware there are people who say the missing years Jesus traveled in different lands such like Egypt and India). However this isn't in the Protestant Bible or the Apocrypha. These missing years would have been after the earlier brief stories of Jesus.
(9) One whereupon he taught at the synagogue at a mere 12 years of age and the men became filled with wonderment and whispered among one another, "How can this boy speak with such authority on the scripture. Now his parents Mary and Joseph did not know where he was at. Another story where Mary asked Jesus to please help turn water into wine at a wedding. But what happened to these missing years between 12 and 30 and this is where there are many who do believe he traveled diverse areas.
The various books that are in the Apocrypha were deemed by a council as not being divinely inspired or Holy so were left out of the Bible, except the Catholic and Orthodox Christian Bible which does have the Apocrypha in the Holy Texts.
(10) I never could get around that the entire 2000 years after Christ's death the Jewish faith has been ruthlessly attacked by Christians in every land far and wide. .
(11) The Jewish (Unfairly) have been blamed for Jesus death.
(12) Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Albert Einstein and a wealth of studious and science minded individuals are among a pantheon of greats.
(13) Hitler drove out Einstein and a host of the scholars, wealthy and population out of Europe {Much to Hitler's detriment). The Spanish Inquisition too torturing the Jewish faith and lesson their wealth. Russia, Poland, Germans of the Holy Roman Empire did persecute too.
(13) The Jewish people were not a war driven army. They did not have a home. No army.
(14) They were small population in comparison.
(15) Thus leads to an easy scapegoat.
(16) The Jewish people were mercantile, rich banking institutions all around Europe, Middle east and Africa. Also they had diamonds trade. Thus greed, the outsider and viewed 'different', in the negative sense."
