Eric B
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Here I have found a two part Beebe article that seems to be the best yet in terms of understanding his whole framework:
http://www.ccc-apt.org/system/files/Type+and+Archetype+-+Part+One+-+The+Spine.pdf
http://www.ccc-apt.org/system/files/Type+and+Archetype+-+Part+Two+-+The+Arms+.pdf
It focuses on the spine and arms. Earlier I had mentioned the difficulty of distinguishing the pairs of archetypes in places 3/4, 5/6, and 7/8. It seems the spine and arm are the missing key to this. The spine is specifically described as dealing with our own selves, while the arms deal with our relation to others. The parental "right" arm deals with how we reach out to others, and the child-like left "arm" deals with how we want them to reach out to us.
Some others mention the spine/arm concept, but I don't remember them being this specific. (The parent was the one said to be how we are helpful to others).
So I would still suggest this being filtered through the idea of the archetypes as complexes, and unpreferred functions otherwise remaining undifferentiated.
Lenore Thomson has also now put up her responses to me on Personality Pathways. I had been sparing in quoting her before as to not relay anything incorrectly, or reveal any info she may have not published herself yet. (The book may not have covered some of this stuff. At least the wiki on the book doesn't seem to reflect it). But now you can get the whole deal yourself:
Carl Jung Psychological Orientation | Lenore Thomson Bentz
Temperament Theory & Carl Jung Types | Lenore Thomson Bentz
John Beebe Archetypes | Lenore Thomson Bentz
http://www.ccc-apt.org/system/files/Type+and+Archetype+-+Part+One+-+The+Spine.pdf
http://www.ccc-apt.org/system/files/Type+and+Archetype+-+Part+Two+-+The+Arms+.pdf
It focuses on the spine and arms. Earlier I had mentioned the difficulty of distinguishing the pairs of archetypes in places 3/4, 5/6, and 7/8. It seems the spine and arm are the missing key to this. The spine is specifically described as dealing with our own selves, while the arms deal with our relation to others. The parental "right" arm deals with how we reach out to others, and the child-like left "arm" deals with how we want them to reach out to us.
the tertiary function... is like an eternal child, who needs the admiration, approval, strength and guidance of at least one other person to be able to operate well.
The auxiliary function parent and the tertiary function child are complements, not just within the psyche, where they share a common axis of personality, but between people. Within the individual psyche they operate like the arms of consciousness because they are used, more or less consciously, to support and be supported by others, and thus define the ways in which we use our consciousnesses to reach out to others. They provide a kind of balance to the spine of consciousness (superior and inferior function), which in defining our identity concerns itself more with what we can be or do in and for ourselves.
The two axes, the spine and the arms, can be considered, respectively, the axis of our relation to self, and the axis of our relations to others.
Some others mention the spine/arm concept, but I don't remember them being this specific. (The parent was the one said to be how we are helpful to others).
So I would still suggest this being filtered through the idea of the archetypes as complexes, and unpreferred functions otherwise remaining undifferentiated.
Lenore Thomson has also now put up her responses to me on Personality Pathways. I had been sparing in quoting her before as to not relay anything incorrectly, or reveal any info she may have not published herself yet. (The book may not have covered some of this stuff. At least the wiki on the book doesn't seem to reflect it). But now you can get the whole deal yourself:
Carl Jung Psychological Orientation | Lenore Thomson Bentz
Temperament Theory & Carl Jung Types | Lenore Thomson Bentz
John Beebe Archetypes | Lenore Thomson Bentz
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