“Can we really change others? What does this mean, “Trying to change another persons subjective opinion is likened to changing or altering both the ha

[LightSun]

“Can we really change others? What does this mean, “Trying to change another persons subjective opinion is likened to changing or altering both the hardware and software of their brains.”

Will you take this vow with me to make this a better and saner world? I will learn the dynamics of the unconscious. I will learn to identify my triggers and take personal responsibility for my own thoughts, feelings, speech, writing and actions.

I will endeavor to refrain from projecting my inner reality unto others in a negative, and subjective way. Thus I will help in alleviating the chaos of this world. In my own limited way, I will be making this a better world for our children and for future generations.

A friend wrote, (1). “You can’t change anyones belief system, not even children.” and
(2). “You also can’t project your belief system onto your children.”

I have an anology. The brain and our genetics is like the hard drive of a computer. In psychology the work of Dr. David Keirsey shows that our
1. Temperament
2. Intelligence
3. Personality Traits are largely predetermined. They are the domain of which Myers Briggs type a person is. In his research of four decades long, he shows their are many differences between the SP, SJ, NT and NF.

In addition the work of Biological Anthropology’s Dr. Helen Fisher show that their are brain neurochemistry and sexual hormone levels differences in the four Myers Briggs types.

38% of the population are SP’s. They have higher dopamine levels than the other types.

38% of the populace are SJ’s who have higher serotonin levels.

12% of the population are NF’s who have higher levels of estrogen. Estrogen has been correlated to the gift of empathy.,

12% of the population are NT’s who have higher testosterone.

Added to this are the different home environments of children growing up. Taken together a child’s early development plus the entirety of their life lessons represent the software of a computer.

Trying to change another persons subjective opinion, or viewpoint would be tantamount to altering both the hardware and software of an entirely different and unique human being.

What people don’t realize is that even though we live in one external reality, in actuality every person lives in an entirely different phenomenological or inner universe.

We as human beings project our inner universe erroneously unto other people and situations. Our unconscious values, beliefs and norms are made up of our societal, parental and peer expectations we learned.

We need to stop projecting our reality unto other human beings. Doing so would lead to greater peace and understanding in our world. We should discipline ourselves to understand these dynamics.

Those that continue to project their negative subjective opinions unto others are just spreading the pollution of their unhealed inner self. Those that do this do not show they are psychologically, emotionally or spiritually mature.

If a person is triggered they are unconsciously projecting their own unconscious conflicts, unresolved issues, and emotional baggage due to their psychic wound being triggered.” LightSun

Source: Why Him? Why Her?, Helen Fisher, 2009.

Source: Please Understand Me: Character & Temperament Types, David Keirsey, 1984.

 

[LightSun]

“I witness others on my friends list who post antagonistic posts in referring to President Trump.

I also witness some of my friends writing antagonistic posts on religion.

This is an insight. We can not change another person’s inner subjective perception of reality.

Those who engage in the kind of posts I’ve described will at the end of their lives not accomplished changing a single person’s perspective.

1. Ultimately it is a blind spot of the people who engage in such a fruitless endeavor.

2. It is also a sign of an ego that has not yet achieved psychological, emotional, and spiritual maturity.

3. Imagine that you believe in something and someone else tries to change you to their way of thinking

4. I witness non-theists who deride those that believe as being someone who is not rational. In addition that they believe in fairy tales.

They don’t have the insight that a major cause of the mayhem and chaos throughout humanities history is the cognitive distortion called Emotional Reasoning.

For a person who doesn’t believe it is part of their hardwiring, genetic code, Brain neurotransmitters, and even sexual hormone levels.

The same is true of a person who does believe. It is part of their hardwiring, genetic code, Brain neurotransmitters, and even sexual hormone levels.

5. What is on display is in only a dictionary sense ignorance of these dynamics. So this is not an insult.

6. I have the data of Dr. Helen Fisher’s work in biological anthropology.

12% of the population is an NF with heightened estrogen levels.

12% of the NT population has heightened testosterone levels.

38% of the SP population has heightened Dopamine levels.

38% of the SJ population has heightened serotonin levels.

Do you know how irrational it is to argue over different subjective opinions, beliefs and viewpoints?

It’s akin to rewriting another person’s genetic code of their DNA. This is the Hard Wiring of a person’s brain.

In addition it’s like trying to change another person’s formative childhood experiences.

In addition the other person’s life lessons as well the entirety of their experiences. This would be akin to a person’s software.

7. For those who disparage another’s view it’s only to stroke their egos. In addition to demonstrate their superiority of someone with an entirely different perspective.

8. I have written that I don’t care what you believe in or don’t. As long as you wish to help make this a better world.

Let’s focus on our similarities and not our differences in order to make this a better world in which to live in.”

9. So I take the open minded approach and work with anybody sane, and reasonable.

10. Those who berate others are part of the problem. They are so narrow minded and even blind.

They are not working with others. Instead they are demonizing and disrespecting half the population of our country.

By their narrow minded approach they cut themselves off from the rest of reality. All to soothe an undeveloped fragile ego.” LightSun

“Open-minded people do not impose their beliefs on others. They accept all of life’s perspectives and realities, doing their own thing in peace without judging anyone.” Unknown

“I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as a case for withdrawing from a friend.” Thomas Jefferson's

“It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” Aristotle

“Open minded people don’t care to be right, they care to understand. There’s never a right answer. Everything is about understanding.” Unknown

 

[LightSun]

…stop pointing fingers at others …
…work on what you can control.

Work on yourself in order to become the best version of you that is possible. If everybody did this it would help usher in a Renaissance of a new world.” LightSun

 

[Coriolis]

I don't think we can change others, but we can offer them the opportunity to change. It is similar to the idea of providing a horse with water, while not being able to force him to drink. Being a good role model can provide such an opportunity, as can providing resources or other help at a critical time. Sometimes we don't know until years later the impact our actions have had on another person. Sometimes we never find out.

 

[Lark]

I think its a very slow and arduous process, as anyone who has tried to change themselves will know and I think its doubly so when its someone other than your own self.

Although that said, we're all susceptible to influences and influencers too, that's for sure, also something that anyone can probably testify to from their own personal experience too.

 

[LightSun]

“Thinking is difficult that’s why most people judge.” Carl Jung

“Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.” Benjamin Franklin

“To every action, there is always opposed and equal reaction.” Isaac Newton

“If you are resisting something, you are feeding it. Any energy you fight, you are feeding. If you are pushing something away, you are inviting it to stay.” Michael Singer

“Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.” Leo Tolstoy

“Before attempting to change or influence the world, one must first begin by changing or improving oneself.” Socrates

“The secret of change is to focus all your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” Socrates

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” R. Buckminster Fuller

“We cannot change anything until we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses.” Carl Jung

“When you understand everything you can forgive everything.” Leo Tolstoy

 

[Synapse]

Change is possible. Only when the person believes change is possible. Actually no.

Belief is another way to not change. For you adopt beliefs from every source. And every other source is based on a belief right? So how can you change belief?

That is the question that will create an opportunity of change.

Change is so hard in fact even at the threat of death one will rather die than change their belief system.

See how entrenched that is?

So then what about critical thinking is that a product of conditioning or belief?

What belief has one adopted to believe critical thinking is the only way to quantifiably analyse and accurately document anything in research?

Is research based on a belief in hypothesis or on experience?

Is experience a belief or critical thinking?

Then it would stand to reason to stand a chance in change one would need a condition of experience that is removed from environment critical thinking, beliefs and opinions.

I’ve read change or a skill takes 30 days to reinforce for the change of skill to become a habit. Once it’s a habit then change will start.

Is then change a skill?

Maybe.

It’s a lot more complicated than that for you actively have to change your hardwired responses that have formed due to one’s conditioning from one’s upbringing or environment.

After all convincing someone to change their opinion is highly unlikely. They might say it’ll be taken on board. Yet habit is such that the default habit, behaviour will win. Even if it’s wrong, right or neutral. Just because it’s a belief system that’s already hardwired.

So yes change is possible. But if you contextualise it. If one change one condition takes at least 30 days to change. You won’t change anyone’s opinion if rarely.