Fecal McAngry
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INTJs, with no close competitors.
From my experience, INTJs are the most introverted type. INTPs seem pretty social.
Well, they kinda do need occasional social interaction (what with the whole "isolation is draining" thing and all), but extroverted loners and misanthropes do exist -- they're usually ENTP. Generally those people approach other people with the purpose of annoying them.Extroverts might get CHARGED by interactions with other people, but that doesn't mean they NEED it.
Dang it. I knew I should have clarified. From my limited observations, INTPs seem much more likely to engage others in conversations than INTJs. INTJ conversations seem very short and to the point while INTP conversations seem very tangential and will go and go if you give them enough fodder. Of course, this is just from one ENFJ's perspective.I feel underdeveloped....
2 questions:
1 How Fi is independent? Does'nt Fi implies to be dependent of what the Fi user values?
2 How would you define the word "independent"?
I'd say the most independent types are INTJ>ISTP>ESTP>INTP>ENTP>ENTJ>INFP>ISFP>ESFP>INFJ>ENFJ>ENFP>ISTJ>ESTJ>ESFJ>ISFJ more or less in that order.
Proof that I'am a Ti dom. I don't feel dependant of Ti at all, it's just the most natural way to act.Isn't Ti dependent on what the Ti-dom accepts as logical? But it's the Ti-dom's own logic, right?
Fi values are based on internal feelings. So Fi is "dependent" on itself - which makes it independent.
I'm thinking independent to mean low reliance on & influence from people & the external realm in general. Someone who does many/most things alone & is happy/prefers to, turns inward for stimulation, not easily influenced by other people's views - but has created many of his own views separate from his environment, figures things out & accomplishes a lot without much or any help, and is his "own person" - meaning unique.
Argh, I tend a little to be like that.Someone who is extreme in this way is really NOT admirable or healthy, IMO. It can make someone needlessly rebellious, arrogant, and detached.
Independence can be & often is overrated. I find it admirable when someone has the humility to ask for help from others.
But, I also want to point out that we have valuable skills. Our skills are usually the ones that sensors aren't as good at, and vice versa. We're at our best, when we learn to put these skills together and help each other out.
ESTP in my experience. INTPs? C'mon, being misanthropic is different from being indipendent - having sufficient contact with a large amount of people is a pre-requiste to check if you're indipendent or not.
I have a hard time seeing extroverts as independent because they seem so reliant on people to feed them energy.
INTPs, INTJs, and ISTPs are probably the most independent types for different reasons.
If every human were to disappear from earth and they were the only ones left I think they would have an easier time adapting to a world without other people, some of them might even enjoy a world without people.
INTPs? C'mon, being misanthropic is different from being indipendent - having sufficient contact with a large amount of people is a pre-requiste to check if you're indipendent or not.
I wasn't aware that misanthropy was another prerequisite for INTPs
The definition of "independence" was also vaguely established. By nature, Ni-dom's for certain are the "revolutionaries" that revolutionize our world. Does that strike as "independence" to you?
INTP's independence is usually a lack of care for the "goal". It's that person who criticizes a model or a person who's motivated by the process of work.
I'd say the most independent types are INTJ>ISTP>ESTP>INTP>ENTP>ENTJ>INFP>ISFP>ESFP>INFJ>ENFJ>ENFP>ISTJ>ESTJ>ESFJ>ISFJ more or less in that order.
Would you agree that Extraverted Judgment functions are the most "dependent" functions? Would you agree that specifically Extraverted Feeling IS the most "dependent" function? On average, Will an ExFJ work better than an ExTJ alone? Will ExxJ's work better alone than ExxP's?
If you agree that Je is the most dependent on "people stimuli", then certainly Ji is the least dependent on "people stimuli".
This is what I would have thought before reading this thread.ISTPs and ITJs.
INTJs, with no close competitors.
Then, you were working with a different type of "independence".Yes, it does.
It's independent of "external 'Je stimuli". "I am not pressured to do this and finish that." It has less care for practical, which is external, goal. TiNe doesn't have to go to the "practical world". NiTe does.INTPs do seem to be more about the process of getting there than the result. How this is "independence" though?
Ni is independent in that it is "unique". Ti is independent in that it doesn't care about whether it's unique, special or what. Ti is the supreme opposite of Fe wherein judgments rely on the impersonal self, not outward based. Though even if it is the opposite, it doesn't constitute as the *most* independent.I would agree that Fe is the most dependent function but don't agree that extraverted judgment functions are the most dependent functions. I'd also suggest that Ni is the most independent function by a long shot.
It's independent of "external 'Je stimuli". "I am not pressured to do this and finish that." It has less care for practical, which is external, goal. TiNe doesn't have to go to the "practical world". NiTe does.
Ni, by itself (which is impossible), is as independent as Ti but where it is mainly judged is based on Je(external association). On independence, Ti = Ni. But TiNe =/= NiTe.
Ni is independent in that it is "unique". Ti is independent in that it doesn't care about whether it's unique, special or what. Ti is the supreme opposite of Fe wherein judgments rely on the impersonal self, not outward based. Though even if it is the opposite, it doesn't constitute as the *most* independent.
Another error I've made in my last "hierarchy" was that I didn't include all cognitive functions to affect certain types. For example, INTJ's have Ni but also have Tertiary Fi. Tertiary Fi has a certain degree of "independence" especially in that cognitive slot.